Greece set for austerity vote

Greece set for austerity vote

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The Greek parliament is preparing to vote on drastic austerity measures that have sparked nationwide strikes and rioting in the capital, Athens.

The 28bn-euro (£25bn; $40bn) package is expected to be approved by parliament by a narrow margin - without it Greece could run out of money within weeks.

But there are violent clashes outside parliament, where prot

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Well it looks like the people of Greece have definately had enough this time.... i've just seen the report on the news and i seen a lot of looting, fighting etc etc.... police and groups going at it with batons, stones and sticks.....

really going off big time.... it could go off like that in the UK anytime soon..... we got a mass demo tmrw with the public sector workers, i wouldnt be surprised if some Anarchists get in on the action!!

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Perhaps they should have paid their taxes.

What a shame.... all this time without paying any then all of a sudden the penny drops that the countries in deep crap. So they're asked to pay taxes like the rest of the world. But deary me they don't like it. What a shame.

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That makes no sense. Our governments bailout the rich with billions of our hard earned cash and in order to pay for socialism for the rich they Increase the taxes of the poorest citizens, take away their public services, take away their jobs and somehow this is supposed to help the economy?

Tax the rich, not the poor.

Originally posted by EnigmaAgent
Perhaps they should have paid their taxes.

What a shame.... all this time without paying any then all of a sudden the penny drops that the countries in deep crap. So they're asked to pay taxes like the rest of the world. But deary me they don't like it. What a shame.

edit on 29/6/11 by EnigmaAgent because: (no reason given)

You should research as to the measures that have been imposed in under two years, i kid you not, if those same measures were imposed throughout the U.S. i within the same time frame then all those conspiracies regarding martial law and fema camps would become reality before the site owners of ats had time to refresh their servers. Think about that before you go to bed.

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If Osama was smart he wouldn't have aimed for US (if 9/11 wasn't a false flag), instead he would have aimed and terrorized the global bankster cartel. The true heads of the dragon. Give me control over the flow of a nation's wealth, and I wouldn't give a damn who makes the laws, a major bankster said that, now that same legacy continues.

The world wide revolution will begin against these magicians.

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They pay taxes like everyone else.. I expect better educated comments from people on this forum.

There is massive conspiracy involved in keeping Greece into debt and their people in a recession. The big banks and politicians have been squandering the peoples money for years, and now the people are being told they have to pay for it.

there is more too the story than the propaganda put out by the MSM but for me to get into properly would involve time i dont have. Ill just say that the IMF is the biggest player in offering Greece loans, and everyone on this site should know by now that the IMF isnt a organization any country should be getting involved with.

here is a video on 1 angle of the issue, I posted it on another topic , but it seems that if you don't post these things on the new topic of the day they get ignored.

Originally posted by Vastar
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They pay taxes like everyone else.. I expect better educated comments from people on this forum.

There is massive conspiracy involved in keeping Greece into debt and their people in a recession. The big banks and politicians have been squandering the peoples money for years, and now the people are being told they have to pay for it.

there is more too the story than the propaganda put out by the MSM but for me to get into properly would involve time i dont have. Ill just say that the IMF is the biggest player in offering Greece loans, and everyone on this site should know by now that the IMF isnt a organization any country should be getting involved with.

here is a video on 1 angle of the issue, I posted it on another topic , but it seems that if you don't post these things on the new topic of the day they get ignored.

Sadly that is true, if you do not post it on a day to day then the majority will miss it and will generally post what the main stream media wants them to post.

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Thats such a clever answer, good to have you aboard this thread. Lets all pay back into the massed up system for the rest of our lives so the rich classes can continue to live the life they are accustomed, its not like my kids need much food im sure we can tighten our belts some more.

We live in interesting times and the people have decided we are NOT all in it together, they have decided the political and banking elites created this mess and would rather see the shtf than spend the rest of their lives struggling to keep those elites in the life they have become accustomed

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Oh really?

The Greek government is trying to recover billions of euros lost to tax evasion as part of its austerity programme, but as the BBC's Malcolm Brabant finds, many Greeks see it as their right to keep as much black money as possible.

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Well if Malcolm Brabant says that all Greeks are thieving and their culture is basically one of thievery then who are we to argue

The Austerity measures aren't going to help much. If the vote goes through then the extra money they'll get from Europe will just go straight to paying off their debts to German and French banks. Greece wont see a penny. They've got to leave the euro if they want a long term solution.

To begin with , must apologize for the CNN reporter being knocked down as it is a heated moment and isn't directed to any individual in particular, reporters simply need to be that extra bit cautious today.

As for the U.K., well lets see how relaxed the general strike in the U.K. is handled tomorrow.

The way I read it, EnigmaAgent also hit a nail. Its a huge plank of nails.
The banks being bailed out was the largest socialist move I have heard of.

And giving huge sums to a few as opposed to a decent living wage to many does not benefit local economies and communities.

If I read that correctly.

This whole Greeks don't pay their taxes and thing is propaganda to tell the western world,
"Dont look over here, these people are scum not like you, they don't work hard and are trying to avoid their taxes"

here is another tid bit that will get you thinking about the underlying cause of this crysis.

"The Greek people are anarchic and difficult to tame. For this reason we must strike deep into their cultural roots: Perhaps then we can force them to conform. I mean, of course, to strike at their language, their religion, their cultural and historical reserves, so that we can neutralize their ability to develop, to distinguish themselves, or to prevail. Thereby removing them as an obstacle to our strategically vital plans in the Balkans, the Mediterranean, and the Middle East, to all this neuralgic territory of great strategic importance for us, for the politics of the USA."

Henry Kissinger,the time of the turkish invasion in Cyprus, while
addressing a group of Washington, D.C. businessmen in Sept.1974,
republished from Turkish Daily News in 1997.



How much of this can we believe from the MSM, you cant have a site that is dedicated to exposing the lies of the MSM to use their sources as a basis of a argument. When compiling an argument you have to look deeper at the little things that have happened over the years and conform a bigger picture of what is happening.

There is tax evasion in America, France, Australia, China, Brazil, Papa New Guinea there is tax evasion in Greece. but the people rioting and those who are affected aren't people on 60,000 euros a year who have worked out a complex system not to pay taxes and have drained the economy, the tax evasion comes from the Politicians and shipping magnates and Doctors and Surgeons the ones that aren't being affected from these cuts.

When people think of Greece they think of their nice holidays spots, with beaches and cafes and sitting around all day having coffee. Living in Greece to visiting is a experience that is miles apart.

Here's the real reason they are being bailed out and forced to introduce austerity measures:

The government aims to raise 50bn euros from privatisations by 2015, including:
Selling stakes this year in the betting monopoly OPAP, the lender Hellenic Postbank, port operators Piraeus Port and Thessaloniki Port as well as Thessaloniki Water.
It has agreed to sell 10% of Hellenic Telecom to Deutsche Telekom for about 400m euros.
Next year, the government plans to sell stakes in Athens Water, refiner Hellenic Petroleum, electricity utility PPC, lender ATEbank as well as ports, airports, motorway concessions, state land and mining rights.
It plans further sales to raise 7bn euros in 2013, 13bn euros in 2014 and 15bn euros in 2015.

As when the UK sold off, erm I mean privatised services a few years ago, the biggest winners will be French and German companies.

Funny that.

Well they have voting to back the measure. it was inevitable, seeing as they wanted the IMF money. But lets see if they are prepared to receive all they will get!!!!

Its a viscous circle and there is no way out.

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Agree it is like the whole country is having a Garage Sale, the loans are just to pay off the debt they have, so in the end they still have debt but also have been forced to sell their land and utilities, which apparently includes shutting down a large portion of their rail system to ensure it becomes profitable again.

Also please refer to my posted video to find out what the Greeks have known for decades and so did the nazis while they occupied Greece. Greece is rich in Oil and Gold (should of been obvious considering the thriving Ancient times) but no corporation will come in and help the Country mine it. Why? well i guess they were waiting for this moment to come when they get buy the land themselves and suck Greece dry of everything they have.

I am really surprised how many on this site have a major gripe against the Greek people rising up, I'm glad there is a discussion going on so we can sift out the real story behind the hype, but this isn't the first thread written about this subject and in many of them there are posters that come on and make blanket statements about how Greeks don't want to pay taxes and its time they man up about it.

Sure you don't want to give Greeks your tax money for loans to bail them out, but the reason why the riots are happening is because the Greeks don't want your money/loans. so really most of the people who are against the Greeks are really on the same side as them.

They are in a no win situation as most of the other EU nation-states are. They either vote for this extension and avoid the inevidable for a while or do not vote and get austeracized out of their own country
Nothing further to add

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Thanks for that, it saddens me when people also make comments without knowing exactly the history of Greece and their struggles against the global banks and NWO.

I applaud everyone of those citizens that are fighting against the crocks running nations in the world.

More debt is not going to help Greece at all they will lose their nation just like we in the US has lost ours.

Keep fighting Greece.