White House: Gaza flotilla activists may be breaking U.S. law

They broke the law on 9/11 and the US liberty so who are they to tell us about the law when a tin pot nation is allowed to own 300 nukes and the UN says nothing and they are telling fairy talls about Libya 24/7

Time we stood up and showed them just what the meaning of law is all about instead of the zionist bankers rubber stanming anything they like because they own the banks.

reply to post by HellstormRising


its the red crescent down there (same thing different name,different religion but same thing )and i think they get away with it because they both seem to treat every one they run accross and they have the atvantage of having been around for years so people are less likely to complain?i havent heard of any red cross or red crescent membes trying to orginize flotillas of aid and send them into go through any blockaids so they might also get away with it because they play by the rules?

reply to post by nightbringr


they were messing with our buddy england and beating up france like usual thats usualy all it takes to get us into a war but didnt those bastards torpedo the lusitania or something of the like because that had more to do with our in ww2 then the jews....we found the camps half way through and then got a bit more real(least thats the offical story)

The US government supports terrorists. They support the Israeli regime which is the biggest unrecognised terrorist organization going. What is going on over there is apartheid of the Palestinian people and I wonder when the west will put an end to this oppression.

The Palestinians deserve to be their own nation without interference from Israel. They should have the right to have an air force, army and navy just like any other sovereign nation does. It shouldn't matter what Israel wants.

To prevent humanitarian aid to suffering people is criminal.

reply to post by backinblack


they helped pakistan and egypt and the usa get weapons to the taliban back when they were fighting the soviets so they have done a few things and id venture to bet most of the stuff they do that helps us dosent make it to the public eye

Being "charitable" should not be illegal, even if the aid is going to the "bad guys", who may "see the light" of "good will". But if there is a U.S. law that does not sanction this sort of "humanitarianism" as suggested, then it is illegal.

reply to post by pikypiky
They are not trying to give aid to the bad guys, they are trying to give aid to the Palastinians not the Israelis.

The article describes that this is particularly aimed at Americans who join the Gaza flotilla activists. And because HAMAS is regarded as a terrorist organization by the US government, Americans who particupate will be prosecuted of having aided in terrorist activity.

It noted that the territory is run by the militant Hamas group, a U.S. designated foreign terrorist organization, and that Americans providing support to it are subject to fines and jail.

I'm not sure what to think...about this. I would personally not get involved. I support Israel as a state, but that doesn't mean I support this...or support Israel using this kind of force against activitists if they are peaceful.

Since when is US law legitimate in Europe or Eurasia? They are terrorists themselves.

Who the heck is America thinking they are?

Sorry to all citizens of the US for having a government who think they own the world while their economy is collapsing and more and more of their own citizens are living on the street.

Statements like these make me angry.

Please
Clean up your own front and back yard first .

Hey, check this out.

During the civil war in Sierra Leone in '93, the UNSC passed resolution 794, creating the 'Unified Task Force' led by the United States:

UNITAF was charged with carrying out United Nations Security Council Resolution 794: to create a protected environment for conducting humanitarian operations in the southern half of Somalia.
en.wikipedia.org...

So let me get this straight. It wasn't illegal to send humanitarian aid to Somalian civilians while under control of rebel forces, but it's illegal to send aid to the Gazan civilians under control of Hamas?

Maybe instead of enforcing a naval blockade which brings bad international attention, they should set up security ports in Gaza were they can unload and inspect aid convoys that are unwilling to port elsewhere. Obviously they should still monitor and control Gaza waters until it becomes a more stable area. But not a naval blockade that interferes with the fishing and trade industry.

Last but not least, before I go to sleep.

According to the 1st protocol of the Geneva Convention:

As of 11 May 2011, it had been ratified by 170 countries,[1] with the United States, Israel, Iran, Pakistan, and Turkey being notable exceptions. However, the United States, Iran, and Pakistan signed it on 12 December 1977 with the intention of ratifying it. According to an appeal by the International Committee of the Red Cross in 1997, a number of the articles contained in both protocols are recognized as rules of customary international law valid for all states, whether or not they have ratified them

...

Articles 17 and 81 authorize the ICRC, national societies, or other impartial humanitarian organizations to provide assistance to the victims of war.

No friends, it's not against the law.

The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) is a private humanitarian institution based in Geneva, Switzerland. States parties (signatories) to the four Geneva Conventions of 1949 and their Additional Protocols of 1977 and 2005, have given the ICRC a mandate to protect the victims of international and internal armed conflicts. Such victims include war wounded, prisoners, refugees, civilians, and other non-combatants.[3]
en.wikipedia.org...

Israel owns the whitehouse..
but hey
Obama just totally disregarded his own top lawyers re the war in Libya...
where the US is bombing civvies like mad and lying constantly about the other guy...
VIAGRA ....I mean come on...do they think the peeps are that dumb....
oh wait, they do

but then some 40 percent of "conservatives" in the US still think they found WMD in IRAQ...
even though the US government said they never did....
delusional is not even the right word....

reply to post by sonofliberty1776


the usa is a damn hypocrite , the ira used to openly collect funds in america for their terror campaign in ireland and the uk.
so in the same token they were aiding terrorists.
it was not until the 9/11 attack that they decided to take a stand against terrorists.

wait wasn't HAMAS elected?
en.wikipedia.org...

half the world is terrified of the US drones and extra judicial killings...
but thats OK

reply to post by tom.farnhill


It wasn't until 9-11 that our government had an opportunity (created by them or not) to cash in on the terrorists.

In the end it is all about simple semantics. Like that saying goes, one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. People who don't drink Government kool aid see through all the rhetoric and spin for what this is: hypocrisy so that money can be made.

Where does one sign up to contribute to this flotilla? Can anyone volunteer to join the humanitarian aid?

Originally posted by Majestic Lumen
Where does one sign up to contribute to this flotilla? Can anyone volunteer to join the humanitarian aid?

It's a private humanitarian aid mission, meaning you can charter your own boat, load it with medicine, food, and books, and set sail on the horizon. Pick up a few ships during the trip (when you stop off in other countries) and travel in a bigger convoy.

The organization is mostly done on facebook, so you can check there and show your support. I'm not a facebook user, so I'm not sure if there is or isn't.

Actually, I recall reading a facebook page dedicated to the US ship 'Audacity of Hope'.

ustogaza.org...

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


i agree , well said !

Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by backinblack

 

I would like to see the list.

Have you considered my idea though? Not that it makes any difference, but what do you think?

Partial list of items banned from entering Gaza;

sage
cardamom
cumin
coriander
ginger
jam
halva
vinegar
nutmeg
chocolate
fruit preserves
seeds and nuts
biscuits and sweets
potato chips
gas for soft drinks
dried fruit
fresh meat
plaster
tar
wood for construction
cement
iron
glucose
industrial salt
plastic/glass/metal containers
industrial margarine
tarpaulin sheets for huts
fabric (for clothing)
flavor and smell enhancers
fishing rods
various fishing nets
buoys
ropes for fishing
nylon nets for greenhouses
hatcheries and spare parts for hatcheries
spare parts for tractors
dairies for cowsheds
irrigation pipe systems
ropes to tie greenhouses
planters for saplings
heaters for chicken farms
musical instruments
size A4 paper
writing implements
notebooks
newspapers
toys
razors
sewing machines and spare parts
heaters
horses
donkeys
goats
cattle
chicks

Link

reply to post by TheSam


That’s quite extensive. But I am skeptical about it as the list was deduced from those within Gaza. A lot of it looks more like an opinion, rather than fact.

I would like to see the official Israeli list, just to see if it matches. After all, their banned goods list would tell the real story.

But they won’t release it. And they say that it is not necessarily the product that is not allowed, but rather the size and packaging. A pallet of paper could hide a lot of weapons. This is a economic blockade with the overall goal of having the people of Gaza overthrow Hamas.

www.npr.org...

I suspect that if Hamas would agree to a cease fire that most of these goods would be allowed in.

Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by TheSam

 

That’s quite extensive. But I am skeptical about it as the list was deduced from those within Gaza. A lot of it looks more like an opinion, rather than fact.

I would like to see the official Israeli list, just to see if it matches. After all, their banned goods list would tell the real story.

But they won’t release it. And they say that it is not necessarily the product that is not allowed, but rather the size and packaging. A pallet of paper could hide a lot of weapons. This is a economic blockade with the overall goal of having the people of Gaza overthrow Hamas.

www.npr.org...

I suspect that if Hamas would agree to a cease fire that most of these goods would be allowed in.

You say you are skeptical of the Gaza list, and that the Israel list would tell the "real" story. Why? They are the aggressors in this tirade. If this was Nazi, Germany would you ask to see the Nazi list of concentration camp victims because that would tell the "real" story?

And then you link to NPR...