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Originally posted by Johnze
Ummm to be honest, this has all largely been taken completely out of context, as usualy is the case with the Main stream media.
The MP in question was giving an interview on BBC Radio 4 this afternoon and explained himself pretty well. Also if you actualy listen to the entirety of his speech you will get a better idea of what he was saying.
Basicaly he said, because people are disabled, and people do have mental ill health issues, it is a simple fact employers will higher people who DO NOT HAVE these issues. It is that simple, abled bodied persons, and persons with a distinct lack of mental ill health are MORE PRODUCTIVE and that is what an employer cares about. Why would they higher someone at the same price who is less effficient?
The MP was stating that is a serious problem within the work force, because that model in particular makes life incredibly tough to get a job. The situation many people who have come out of prison face. What he suggested was this.
For a trial period, someone who is willing to work for less than the minimum wage, should be entitled to do so, as is there right to work for less IN ORDER TO SECURE THE EMPLOYMENT to show an employer they are indeed just as productive, and once said trial period is over there wages would reflect the minimum wage. Why is that wrong?
He also mentiond in his speech people who live on minimum wage is completely ludicrous, as that is essentialy the minimum amount of money it is thought that you can survive on, and they tax you on it, lol what?. But you dont see the newspaper highliting that point. Also it was kinda lulzy one of the largest mental health charities in the country started saying he was completely out of order, his comments were a disgrace etc to which he replied, WHY DO YOU YOURSELVES PAY YOUR DISABLED WORKERS LESS THEN? LOL. Hypocrit scum.
The MP was essentialy calling for people to review the situation in order to help those with disabilitys mental or otherwise find gainfull employment. He just may have chosen his words a bit better. And as such knee jerk reactions fly everywhere as everyone decide to believe what they read in the godamn MAIN STREAM F***-ING MEDIA.edit on 17-6-2011 by Johnze because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Niall197
The problem with this MP's idea is that by allowing people with a history of poor mental health to bargain away their legal rights in their quest for employment, many of them still won't be able to escape the social security system when they take up employment. Because they'll have to claim benefits to top up their wages in order to pay their rent, council tax, exemptions for health benefits etc etc.
And while many will go into employment with high hopes, when faced with the reality of modern working life I can see many giving up work within only a few weeks because they'd be no better off than if they sat on their backsides all day. And that'd leave the employer with a staff member down and even more reluctant to employ such people ever again.
Originally posted by dolphinfan
reply to post by solargeddon
As far as the issue with the disabled specifically, if you are going to have a minimum wage policy then all workers should be entitled to that wage. Companys of course should be under no compulsion to hire any disabled workers. If there is public policy that requires private firms to hire the disabled then the forcing of minimum wage upon them is unjust.
With many of these comments about how the disabled are equal to folks fortunate enough not to have disabilities, if that were the case they would not be classified as being disabled. People who are hired at the lowest end of the employment spectrum are often hired for potential. The person bagging grocerys makes it and moves on to stocking shelves, then working in the warehouse, what ever. As a result of that potential, they are more valuable and as a result worth more to the employer. Being worth more they should be paid more