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MP: Disabled Should Be Able To Work For Less

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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 05:36 PM
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I think it does matter if i type in caps as it highlites a very basic point you do not seem capable of comprehending. At no point did this MP suggest employers should get away with paying disabled workers less on account of there disability. So your entire premise is void. What your OP should have questiond was, should those with disabilities under-cut potential employees for the sake of securing work?. Because that is essentialy there right if they choose to do so. Also you seem to be completely ignoring several very important key issues made by the MP such as concerns raised about what seems like discrimination against those with disabilities.

Instead you decided, much like the mainstream media to take this mans speech, the point he trying to make and sensationalise it in completely the wrong context. Ok, he could have chosen his words a bit better, but you should probably be able to discern that yourself and understand what he was saying in a larger context.

I go for an interview, i can essentialy negotiate my wage, i know someone is more qaulified than me. I am going to pitch my basic wage lower than he will so i can get the job, that is my right. ZOMG!!!! DISCRIMINATION!!!SLAVERY!!!BANKSTERSOMGOMGOMG.

This tactic of under cutting is how busines is won throughout every facet of industry. Why it is then such an issue when applied to disability i have no idea.

Also you believe that the government should subsidise employers the difference in wage?, LOL are you mad?, do you really think they are in a financial position to do so?. In an ideal world, yip, sure why not, i like that sort of socialism it has purpose. But thats not how things work, especialy not with a conservative government in the middle of a serious financial collapse, so you have to be realistic instead.




posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 05:47 PM
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The man should be ashamed of himself. Having a disability does not mean someone is less competant or productive by default. If they can do the same job they should get the same wage.

Some employers discriminate based on gender or race but we don't lower wages to pander to their bigotries.

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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 05:48 PM
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what a miserable SOB this joker must be. may he be blessed with several disabled children so he can first-hand go through lifes learning experiences that he has obviously missed out on.

its jackasses like this which need to be reminded: we are all just a trip down the stairs or a car accident away from being Special Ed. 'there, but for the grace of God, go I'

i've been around many people with mental illness. several of them have IQ's that make most look the fool. i pity this ignorant piece of shiat for the way he thinks, and i have even more sympathy for his family and co-workers. this piece of donkey dung gives a whole new meaning to arrogant, clueless and heartless simultaneously.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 05:54 PM
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You feel bad that she walks poorly, so you want her to work for less money? Seems you just want her job, as you pretty much stated in your post.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 06:46 PM
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I agree with the MP.

If I wanted a job so bad I might offer to work for nothing for a period of time if it meant I got the job.

The situation at the moment is ridiculous. There is so much legislation about what an employer can or cannot ask potential employees at interview that it is becoming impossible for good cadidates to get across to employers just how good they are or what special talents they have.

the last job interview I went to about a month ago I was dead keen on getting the job and I had lots of things I wanted to say, but the the interviewer said all the candidates were to be asked the same 5 questions and thats what happened. I got asked 5 questions, some of which I thought were irrelevant and that was the end of the interview.

How I would have liked to say I want the job so bad and I think you will find that I am the most excellent person for the job that I am prepared to come and work for the first month for free and then decide if I'm right or not.

But the PC brigade would see that as some kind of unfair advantage.

I didn't get the job.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 06:57 PM
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Just because someone is disabled does not mean they should agree to work for less. There are different types of people with disablities there some who may not realize they are getting taking advatange of. IN the USA there are certian government programs that can actually pay people less so they can work then 6-8 hours. When a person is on disablity they cant work full time. What I think is unfair about this is that they work full time hours almost but they pay is so low that they can't get off disablity if they wanted to in the future.
The people at this workshop work harder than most people I know and work in worse conditions. It is not fair to treat the disabled like this!



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 07:14 PM
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This guys such a d**k its people like him that are reasons our government is so corrupt and useless



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 09:48 PM
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The government have manged to stop the benefits for 30% of the disabled and mentaly ill without them putting up a fight so now they want to push things even further and force them to work for less than a decent wage because there are not enough jobs to go around. Its disgusting ! They are victimising the weak and helpless while giving out half a billion in foreign aid to 3rd world countries.


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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 10:40 PM
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If we put aside the "disabled/handicap" person and look at the rest of the point...

Minimum wage is put into place to protect you, otherwise businesses would take advantage and pay wages that no one can possibly live on.

If I come in, as a normal person, not even "handicapped", and say "I'm willing to work for less for an agreed amount of time to prove to you that I can do the job" - odds are pretty good businesses will take ADVANTAGE of that and find some reason NOT to hire you at the end of the trial period.

If enough people do this, you'll be sending the message that sure, we'll be slaves, pay us whatever you want.

So while I understand thats how "business" works, it doesn't work so well for the individual who still has a family to feed, now living on less than minimum wage, because someone set the precident (handicapped or not) and the idea spread like a bad Meme and now everyone is doing it....

if you want to undercut - start a contracting business - if you want to work retail - you get paid what everyone else gets paid to start the job (bonuses and raises commensurate with experience and anually)



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 07:09 AM
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i can see it now. job auctions with wheelchair access. a packed room and the bidding starts at £3p/h for a 35 hour week. anyone? anyone? yes £2.80. any offers on £2.80? £2.50, £2.25,£2 any bids on £1.75? yes £1.75,£1.50£1.25,£1 come on, come on, we're on commission here, ah 75 pence. 75 pence, any offers? going once, going twice, bang! gentleman in the red lustre power chariot with one arm.

why don't these bufoons dripping with wealth, with paid consultant jobs and lavish advisory tenureships er sorry mp's reduce their own wages down to below minimum if they really care about our interests?

i wish to auction off both houses of parliament to the lowest bidder.
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posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 07:34 AM
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posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 07:48 AM
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Someone once said " earning minimum wage means the employer would like to be paying you less, its just the law wont let them ! ".

Employers that pay min wage have little or no respect for the workers because they have disposable jobs. They usualy have jobs so basic that at the end of the day no one realy cares if you stay or go because they can always hire someone else to replace you the next day. If anyone thinks that these employers will let disabled people work for a trial period at a lower than min wage and then raise their wage to the min rather than sack them and get someone else in on a trial basis they are just being naive.

I once worked at an amusement park for a season on min wage and out of the 150 staff they used to fire at least 1 person a day. Mainly because they complained about the bad working conditions , hours and pay. I once saw the boss there fire a guy because he called him by his first name! They could get away with it because all the positions were considerd part time (even if they were 50+ hrs a week) and the place was only open for 6 months of the year. Yet the place was never short staffed !

Obviously an employer are not going to want to employ someone who cant walk to deliver the mail but should the same employer be able to force that person to work for less than a decent wage if they work as a cashier as at the post office? Treating someone as a lesser human being because of dissabilities is something i would expect to hear from Hitler in the 1940's not from todays supposedly enlightened government!


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posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 08:14 AM
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perhaps a public bill be introduced to allow all disabled workers in parliament to become the ultimate oversight commitee? no stone left unturned.
correct me if i am wrong but we have a welfare bill of approx £3bn and we are spending approx £1bn per month on a dubious operation in n.africa. seems they are quite happy assisting external interests in the hope of gaining commission and resources but frown upon the welfare of their own who parked them in office in the first place.

pulling vunerable people off benefits has a side effect, diaryofabenefitscrounger.blogspot.com...

with the gubbermint upping the retirement age to 66 years, 'pay more to get less' should be the election slogan.
a minister recently said that the pensions deficit was due to people living longer. i suspect it was all about pension pots targetting high risk investments to grab good returns and then the pyramid collapsed. i know it goes deeper than that but i suspect the ideal scenario for the rulers would be for all workers popping their clogs a week after retirement. trouble is receipts of national insurance and the like are bound to diminish thus burdening the state pension system further due to falling birthrates, high unemployment and the increase in contributions or am i way off here?

another thing, where the hell were the contingency funds we should have been saving since the second world war. germany won over us in the end imo. their infrastructure, manufacturing base and liquidity have put us to shame and we continue to tout the financial sector as the uk's financial saviour. i guess that's the price to pay for upholding 'freedoms'.

saturday rant over with, time to do some welding.
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posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 08:19 AM
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Originally posted by g146541

Bottom line is what is a persons sweat worth, I say the same no matter who you are.


That's commie talk.

People shouldn't earn the same because of how much they sweat, they should be paid based on how much product they can put out.

If I've got one arm and half a brain and only accomplish half as much as everyone else, I ought not be paid the same. Unless in Soviet Union, then I would complain to local apparatchik for raise.



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 08:23 AM
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I don't agree with a minimum wage because I think it prevents people from, yes, offering their services at a lower rate to get a job with the notion of working up. Why should'nt someone who is willing to come in at 1$ below minimum wage be allowed to do so (assuming of course that illegals are forbidden to work)? The rationale against that is that allowing that would essentially reset the wages, but that only suggests that the wages were artificially set to begin with. In any event, there are classes of workers, students, elderly and disabled who are denied jobs simply because companys hire fewer workers due to the minimum wage.

As far as the issue with the disabled specifically, if you are going to have a minimum wage policy then all workers should be entitled to that wage. Companys of course should be under no compulsion to hire any disabled workers. If there is public policy that requires private firms to hire the disabled then the forcing of minimum wage upon them is unjust.

With many of these comments about how the disabled are equal to folks fortunate enough not to have disabilities, if that were the case they would not be classified as being disabled. People who are hired at the lowest end of the employment spectrum are often hired for potential. The person bagging grocerys makes it and moves on to stocking shelves, then working in the warehouse, what ever. As a result of that potential, they are more valuable and as a result worth more to the employer. Being worth more they should be paid more



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 08:26 AM
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I don't agree with what this MP has said. If an employer isn't willing to pay a disabled person at least the minimum wage, that is a problem with the employers - once again the government seem to want to fix a problem by looking at the wrong side of it


A person cannot help being disabled, they should have the right to expect the same wage as another person doing the same job. And you are right, OP, once somehting like this starts, where would it end?



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 08:32 AM
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Originally posted by mr10k
The only thing I have to say is that, I am kind of leaning toward his side, because the Publix that I want to work at is filled. All the bagging and cashier jobs belong to disabled people (mentals, bad legs, autistic, mentally challenged). There's even a stroke victim that works there, and I hate seeing her have to walk to the manager.


this kind of thinking indicates someone who is more handicapped than everyone mentioned. i pity you for such callousness, lack of empathy, sympathy, and humanity. it's not often one sees such a fine example of arrested development. perhaps your parents were brother and sister?



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 09:53 AM
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Wow, I wonder how many people just read the thread title and thought this guy was saying disabled people deserved less, as opposed to the idea that they should have the right to bargain for less if they want to work for less.

I see where the MP is coming from.

If you have two people that are qualified for a job, and one has bi-polar disorder or depression, or some other disabling issue, then why can't that person say, "Hey, I tell you what, start me off at a dollar less than you would normally start someone off at, and let's see if I can do this job or not."

Otherwise, the employer will just hire the guy without the disabling issue.

Or, I guess you could pass a bunch of laws to take away the employer's right to hire who he wants, and force his hand and make him hire the disabled person. In my opinion, the disabled person would feel even worse because now he feels he has to be given a charity job instead.

Not to mention the blow to the employer's right to run a company the way they want to run it. So, I think the MP has an interesting idea... not a perfect idea obviously, but when dealing with a society of people, there are no perfect ideas.
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posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 09:54 AM
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What a great idea! Now they can tell all the disabled veterans returning from the wars they start now you will get paid less than min wage. What a great time to be one of the elites make money off the wars and make even more off of slave labor. Why outsource to a foreign country when you can create your own third world class.



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 10:04 AM
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And that is how they do it here pretty much.. People with disabilities here have to work like slaves for a welfare that can hardly even feed them.

I think this is disgusting and will just lead to even more class differences.



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