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Originally posted by SaturnFXbecause we are more than the parts and the memories...there is a identity that exists outside of it all..
Originally posted by timepolarity
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
Atheism is a lack of belief in gods, not a belief in a lack.
Atheism is not a faith, it is an absence of faith. I have no faith in deities. I do not believe in deities. I cannot make with epistemological certainty the claim that no deity exists, though I can make fairly reasonable claims about specific instances.
So you say: I believe there is no God.
I say: I believe there is a God.
They are both beliefs, chosen by the believer based on the evidence presented. To say you simply choose not to have any beliefs is merely a semantic argument, and doesn't change the nature of your position. You believe one thing to be true, I believe another.
If you truly lacked ANY belief, then you wouldn't have an argument against Christianity, because you would believe neither that it was true nor false.
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Originally posted by Ryanp5555
reply to post by gentledissident
Yeah, I should have qualified my statement with an: I don't know if I actually believe that morality and atheism do go hand in hand. However, its at least an interesting thought and would be nice to see if we could somehow prove one way or the other.
Google: Secular countrys and crime rates.
Your answer awaits..with suprising results no doubt.
Originally posted by acmpnsfal
Are you suggesting that country 2 would have more donations at the lower income levels because it would be christian? I know a lot of low income christians personally that barely pay their tithes much less donate to a charity.
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I think I speak for most atheists when I say, we won't deny proof of a God. We just haven't been given any.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul If you were to provide me with ample evidence and reasonable connection of that evidence to your deity, I would totally accept its existence.
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Originally posted by kallisti36
Atheism taken to it's logical conclusion is nihilism. If there is no God, no universal spirit, or individual soul then there is no point, no plot, and no reason.
Although it was a really nice post, thought provoking, I disagree with the premise.
Atheism leads to nihilism...sure, a understanding of the pointlessness of existance, however, that doesn't then immediately turn it into destructive or obscure behavioral patterns by nature.
Consider a actual real world pointless example.
Totally pointless. you take a ball, toss it at some pins, they fall down, a machine picks them back up, you grab another ball, and whip it at the pins, etc etc etc
no point beyond "hit the pins". This doesn't prepare you for a greater life, this doesn't allow you to understand your soul better, or somehow make you a better person.
Some minor points...a good score, perhaps an award over time, but otherwise, it is absolutely pointless.
By the philosophy of nihilism (all things pointless turns to destruction and/or are abandoned) bowling shouldn't exist (along with a ton of other pointless things we enjoy doing)...yet we do them, and do it happily.
Life can be just like bowling. Pointless actions, however done happily and enjoying the round as it were. the hippies you point out had an issue. they went from a society mostly innundated with fanatical religious roots, they explored this new philosophy of differences and pointlessness and without reference, explored many things...some being various human centric systems of beliefs (asian exotic religions and cults), anger, etc...it was a birth of a new mindset, and it has hiccups because its new and without clearcut examples and references.
We have matured a bit since then, refined the understanding, and are able to put perspective on it. Western society is past the suicidally depressed or insane aspects that come from a new idea...its not accepted, and in some areas, preferred in order to have a fulfilling life.
Many atheists of today have stopped asking "what is the point of life", and instead are asking the better question, "what point do I want to make with my life".
Originally posted by Ricola
I dont see any problem if someone doesn't believe in God.
As long as they still believe in GOOD, Its all dandy.
Here is more of making wild assertions to cover up the truth. Yea, it was kerosene.
Originally posted by kallisti36 Do we find meaning in matter or that which is subjective (or immaterial)? God is all things immaterial and created the material to hold the immaterial and give it shape. Since the fall there has been a great separation between divine and man. The word of God took on flesh to redeem matter and to keep our immaterial souls until the apocalypse, the resurrection, and the apocatastasis: the redemption of matter and the end of the distinction between subject and object. This is the Faith of the Fathers.
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by polit
There is one thing I know. Most of the atheists/ people who identify as such are some of the most condescending, obnoxious and arrogant people when it comes to dealing with the "poor deluded deists." It seems like they think the only way they can "beat" the Christians is by jumping even further down people's throats.
Just the other day I was chilling on the beach with a bunch of friends and these two little girls came up, like under 10 years old. They asked if any of our group wanted a free bible, one of the religious girls said yes, but some of the others heard what was going on and started getting all angry and talking some seriously rude b/s. I was offended on the religious people's behalf.
Why are parents sending -10 year old girls out on a beach to push their religious belief? That is all kinds of wrong.
I was standing on the corner next to a church. Now mind you I'm definitely senior. A bunch of teenagers were standing around saying "F" this and "F" that - - then they walked into the church.
Bad and rude behavior is bad and rude behavior - - - it is not "Atheist" behavior.
Originally posted by Annee
reply to post by Ryanp5555
Thank you for your honest and heart felt answer. In turn - I will give you mine.
I still considered myself a believer up until about 5 years ago. I am 65.
I had paranormal experiences as a kid - - so I believed strongly in something beyond what I could touch and see. In one OBE a tall man in a long white robe and beard came to me. He told me it was confusing me living in two worlds (the spirit world and the physical world). He grounded me from entering that world again for a long time. But never lost that memory.
My grandmother tried to raise me Catholic. I remember sitting in church as a 5 year old - - looked at her and said: "Does God need all this?" (the ornateness - the rituals - etc). I was envisioning sitting with a group of people outside under a tree listening to Jesus speak to us. Does God really need more then that?
My mom believed everyone has to find their own path. I got up on Sunday's and went to church - - with whoever was willing to take me. Sometimes my mom - gramma - or neighbors. I was searching for my path - - my God truth.
I had many different church/congregation experiences. As an adult I was Mormon for 5 years. Really enjoyed that. If there was an organization run like that - - minus the religion I'd go.
So I read a lot - - and searched beliefs - - etc. You know there also seminary students that search for the truth and end up Atheist - - not necessarily by what they find - - but by what they don't find.
Anyway - - wrapping up 60+ years in one post - - can't cover every thing. It is not that I stopped believing - - its that I found what I do believe.
I believe everything is energy. Nothing really exists in the way we know it - - - but is a projection or creation of thought energy.
Some people will try to label this as a God belief. But it is my belief and I do not label it as a God belief.
I see it as science. Like a Petri dish. Certain substances come together and reactionary developments happen.
Atheist means lack of belief in a Deity. That would be me. I definitely do not believe in a Deity.
There is what is called "Hard Atheist" - they would be those that require factual proof and probably do not believe in an after life.
I do believe along the lines of the Terra Papers - - that "off planet beings" have been on this planet. They may even have had something to do with human development. But still they came from the same Petri dish.
I suppose some would call me a Spiritual Atheist - - - but that really depends on the definition of what a Spirit is.
I can't deny the paranormal (for lack of a better word) experiences I've had. I suppose it could just be brain signals creating an illusion. I don't know.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by kallisti36
The lack of a deity provides us with the opportunity to create meaning, instead of being forced into a role that we didn't choose. We have our own reasons for living. Mine? Well, those are personal. Or living is its own reward, there's that too.
Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.