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Reporting from Washington—
As drug cartels wreak murderous havoc from Mexico to Panama, the Obama administration is unable to show that the billions of dollars spent in the war on drugs have significantly stemmed the flow of illegal narcotics into the United States, according to two government reports and outside experts.
"It's become increasingly clear that our efforts to rein in the narcotics trade in Latin America, especially as it relates to the government's use of contractors, have largely failed," McCaskill said.
The majority of U.S. counter-narcotics contracts are awarded to five companies: DynCorp, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, ITT and ARINC, according to the report for the contracting oversight subcommittee, part of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee.
Government reports say the Obama administration is unable to show that billions of dollars spent in the anti-drug efforts in Latin America have made a significant difference.
Obama administration officials strongly deny that U.S. efforts have failed to reduce drug production or smuggling in Latin America.
in January 1988, President Ronald Reagan delivered a State of the Union address in which he declared that the War on Poverty had failed: “My friends, some years ago, the Federal Government declared war on poverty, and poverty won.”
Originally posted by whyamIhere
This "Phantom War" is one of the reasons the we are broke.
Is there any indication the demand is going down ?
What if we spent this money on education instead of expensive "LE" toys.
They are using this "War" as a reason to build a Police State.
It's time to seriously rethink this issue.edit on 12-6-2011 by whyamIhere because: burning vegetation...
Originally posted by scojak
So, obviously the whole 15 billion doesn't go to border patrol, but reading this stuff made me think about the whole build a wall at the border idea. 2000 mile border and a 15 billion dollar budget means $7,500,000 per mile. I feel like with that kind of funding we could build a pretty decent wall. Maybe one with automated, motion-activated, heat-seeking tranquilizer guns?
More seriously, though, the thing that gets me riled up when thinking about this stuff is the fact that every time someone gets caught smuggling, they just get sent back to try again. Clearly we need to instill more motivation for them to stop trying. Maybe just hog-tie them and throw them back over the fence. If Mexico wants them back, they can have their border patrol do daily rounds to pick up the smugglers.
I actually wonder why they haven't come up with some scheme to implant RFID chips into people caught smuggling drugs across the border. "Oh, ya, don't mind us. We just want to make sure you're healthy before we send you back to Mexico." At least that way we could see them coming. This would help a lot with people smuggling mariner style as well. They could also just follow the smugglers to their safe/stash houses and bust the whole operation!
I dunno. Most likely just my fanciful pipe dreams. Thanks for the article!
Originally posted by Asktheanimals
Let's put the blame on this where it properly belongs: the Bush family. GHW Bush began the war on drugs which has since cost (conservatively) around $700 Billion in direct costs, not inclusive of the cost to people incarcerated and lost productivity.
Gulf war l was Bush l's legacy for another $61 Billion. Another war based on lies (Incubator babies, troops massed on Saudi border). Of course he had to have a war to avoid the "wimp factor" running up to re-election time.
So let's give Poppy the bill for $761 Billion.
Not to be outdone, G.W.Bush began the Iraq war, the Afghanistan war and the War on terror. Since 2001 the total costs for all these run nearly $1.25 Trillion.
Added together the wars began by both Bushes total over $2 Trillion !
Every single war started by either Bush has been predicated on lies, just like Vietnam (Gulf of Tonkin)
Here's a list of the cost of US wars since 1900 in non-inflation adjusted numbers:
WW1 - $20 Billion
WW2 - $296 Billion
Korea - $30 Billion
Vietnam - $111 Billion
Gulf war I - $61 Billion
Iraq - $715 Billion
Afghanistan - $297 Billion
Source -
www.fas.org...
The Bush legacy is pretty obviously a plan to bankrupt the US and I would have to say MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.
The solution to the war on drugs is to treat it as a medical and social issue,
Then we can use our prisons for people who commit actual crimes where there is injury to another person or their property.
So many productive lives wasted in the War on Drugs, so much violence and chaos in 3rd world countries due to the amount of money to be made from contraband which is not just limited to cartels. There is plenty of evidence of government involvement in the importation of drugs and gun running for profit (see Iran-Contra).
There never was a true war on drugs, it has always been a war on people, particularly minorities.
edit on 12-6-2011 by Asktheanimals because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by whyamIhere
reply to post by Asktheanimals
You made so many great points in your post.
I wish we could get past blaming just one family for this mess.
Unfortunately, there is plenty of blame to go around.
I am not defending any of the Bush family.
We have to get past blaming the past.
Seems like we better start fixing it.
The current "Administration" could end this tomorrow.
Originally posted by Asktheanimals
reply to post by whyamIhere
I was using the Bushs' for example since the official "war on drugs" didn't start until crack coc aine and the death of Lynn Bias (sp?) the basketball player.
Since it was All in the family so to speak I thought I would expand a little on the OP.
They're all wars on Americans in the end since we pay the price both in $ and freedoms lost.
I don't blame just one family but the Bush clan definitely get's the lyin's share.edit on 12-6-2011 by Asktheanimals because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Asktheanimals
reply to post by whyamIhere
"I don't blame just one family but the Bush clan definitely get's the lyin's share. "
You can't argue with that...
Originally posted by whyamIhere
This "Phantom War" is one of the reasons the we are broke.
Is there any indication the demand is going down ?
What if we spent this money on education instead of expensive "LE" toys.
They are using this "War" as a reason to build a Police State.
It's time to seriously rethink this issue.edit on 12-6-2011 by whyamIhere because: burning vegetation...
Originally posted by blackrain17
Originally posted by whyamIhere
This "Phantom War" is one of the reasons the we are broke.
Is there any indication the demand is going down ?
What if we spent this money on education instead of expensive "LE" toys.
They are using this "War" as a reason to build a Police State.
It's time to seriously rethink this issue.edit on 12-6-2011 by whyamIhere because: burning vegetation...
Yeah but why would TPTB want to educate people? Our education system is the way it is because it's planned that way. War on Drug was never meant to be won, it was just meant to drag along as long as possible. As goes to War on Terror...edit on 12-6-2011 by blackrain17 because: (no reason given)
2004-2007, a staggering amount of illegal drug proceeds totaling $378.4 billion dollars were transferred into Wachovia by the Mexico-based Casa Cambios that violated U.S. government anti-money laundering compliance.
As part of the agreement Wachovia agreed to pay the government a fine of $110 million dollars with an additional fine of $50 million dollars to be paid to the U.S. Treasury Department. The total fine of $160 million dollars was less than 2% of the bank's $12.3 billion dollars in profit made in 2009. By the time Wachovia agreed to pay the hefty fine, Wells Fargo purchased Wachovia during the banking crisis for $12.7 billion. Then Well Fargo reaped a windfall from the government, a gift of $25 billion dollars of taxpayers money as part of President Obama stimulus package in 2009.