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Most extinctions have occurred naturally, without human intervention: it is estimated that 99.9% of all species that have ever existed are now extinct"
Vestigiality describes homologous characters of organisms that have seemingly lost all or most of their original function in a species through evolution. These may take various forms such as anatomical structures, behaviors and biochemical pathways. Some of these disappear early in embryonic development, but others are retained in adulthood.
1. God exists.
2. God is omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly good.
3. A perfectly good being would want to prevent all evils.
4. An omniscient being knows every way in which evils can come into existence.
5. An omnipotent being, who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, has the power to prevent that evil from coming into existence.
6. A being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, who is able to prevent that evil from coming into existence, and who wants to do so, would prevent the existence of that evil.
7. If there exists an omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly good being, then no evil exists.
8. Evil exists (logical contradiction).
The watchmaker analogy, or watchmaker argument, is a teleological argument for the existence of God. By way of an analogy, the argument states that design implies a designer. The analogy has played a prominent role in natural theology and the "argument from design," where it was used to support arguments for the existence of God and for the intelligent design of the universe.
Two scientists with the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics stated that when, and even whether, the two galaxies collide will depend on Andromeda's transverse velocity.Based on current calculations they predict a 50% chance that in a merged galaxy the solar system will be swept out three times farther from the galactic core than it is currently located.They also predict a 12% chance that the Solar System will be ejected from the new galaxy some time during the collision. Such an event would have no adverse effect on the system and chances of any sort of disturbance to the Sun or planets themselves may be remote.
There's a way to find your blind spot. Cover your left eye and look at the dot on the left in this image. Be aware of the cross on the right, but don't look at it - just keep your eye on the dot. Move your face closer to the monitor, and farther away. At some point, you should see the cross disappear. Stay at that point and close your right eye. Stare at the cross, and you should see that the dot has disappeared. It doesn't just happen with a white background. Try the same with colored paper, and your mind will fill in the background color of the paper when the mark gets in your blind spot. You don't see as much of the world as you think.
Originally posted by confreak
reply to post by awake_and_aware
I'm glad I made you think by laying forward the "debate between a monkey and a human".
You can't claim whether creation (Universe or anything within) is a bad design unless you know the purpose. Let me give you another example, "monkeys tell humans that one of their creation is badly designed. Humans ask which one. The Monkeys point to a rocking chair, hence it is shaking. The Humans respond by saying the chair is suppose to shake, that's how it was designed". It you don't know the purpose of a rocking chair, you would think it is a bad design. If a house which is designed to collapse, and then collapses, is it a bad design? Unless you know the purpose behind the design, you won't know.edit on 12-6-2011 by confreak because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Olise
...then again it was never a living body, as it is the spirit within that simulates its life...the spirit tells each member of the body what to do and it does it; sought of like a car
Originally posted by awake_and_aware
reply to post by Olise
Just because i don't believe like you believe doesn't mean i'm not "aware". All humans are awake and aware, unless they're sleeping. That's another debate though.
Stop trying to ridicule my username. I refuted the anology in another thread which described how a monkey sees ancient ruins and assumes they have designer, well of course that assumption is correct, because they HAVE been designed. I've explained nature doesn't work in this way, althought it may ULTIMATELY be true, it's still an assumption, and based on no evidence. Ancient ruins don't reproduce.
Nature has no forsight, nature can't dismantle humans and start again to improve them.
See the blind watch maker part of my post instead of just jumping to self-opinionated preaching mode.
You can inferr further by saying God "designed" evolution, but it's intellectually backrupt for progression of debate, . and is a non-sequitor.
Now have you got any refutations of the OP? Are you going to refute any of the points? Or use them in your argument? I highgly doubt it.edit on 12/6/11 by awake_and_aware because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by bogomil
reply to post by Olise
You wrote:
["As it is written, "The images are visible to humanity, but the light (purpose) within them is hidden in the image; the light of the Father will reveal itself, but his image is hidden by his light." Reflect on that."]
Using your own self-proclaimed 'true' premises as both answer and measure-tape, you'll ofcourse arrive at your pre-determined answer.
It's called circle-argumentation, or: "It's true, because it's true".
edit on 12-6-2011 by bogomil because: spelling
1. God exists...
2. God is omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly good.
3. A perfectly good being would want to prevent all evils.
4. An omniscient being knows every way in which evils can come into existence.
5. An omnipotent being, who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, has the power to prevent that evil from coming into existence.
6. A being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, who is able to prevent that evil from coming into existence, and who wants to do so, would prevent the existence of that evil.
7. If there exists an omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly good being, then no evil exists.
8. Evil exists (logical contradiction).
Originally posted by LiveEquation
Originally posted by Olise
...then again it was never a living body, as it is the spirit within that simulates its life...the spirit tells each member of the body what to do and it does it; sought of like a car
In this day in age? Really?? There are people out there that still think the body cannot live without 'spirit/soul'???
Have you heard of Henrietta Lacks? She died in 1951, yet her cells are still being used for cancer research. Her cells can still process nutrients and proliferate, 60 years after her death! They call them the HeLa Cell Line.
Then there are neurotoxins like Tetrodotoxin that can paralyze you, render this "god designed spirit/soul" useless with respect to controlling your "abode"
Hilarious you believe in mambo jumbo.
edit on 12-6-2011 by LiveEquation because: hil
["This isn't a logical problem, either God exists or he doesn't......."]
Depends on what the word 'god' means.
Quote continued: [".........IF he does then it doesn't matter what anyone believes......."]
Until this alleged being manifests for everyone to experience, the various believers have a merry time fighting each other according to "what they believe".
Quote continued: ["......The same is true if he doesn't... "]
Except that a lot of people have died for nothing or at best wasted their time.
Quote (on omni-everything in 'god'): ["I would say yes..."]
It's not manifested anywhere in such a way, that it's even slightly indisputable.
Quote: [" Define evil... personally i don't think it exists."]
Agreed. But suffering does. So the design is counter-productive to those existing in it. There's no NEED for suffering, except as an expression of asymmtric polarities spurring life to compete.