Apparently, 75% of Americans want to be Dragged Back to the Jim Crow Era

Originally posted by MessOnTheFED!
Cost of State Issued IDs by state

The most expensive one i saw was a 10 year ID from the state of Georgia. It was a WHOPPING 35 SMACKERS!!!!!!!! If someone cant afford 35 bucks every 10 years then how the hell did they get on welfare to begin with?

It does not matter if it only costs 1 cent. It is unconstitutional to require people to purchase anything in order to get to vote. The fact that none of you are even considering that the passage of this would allow for a much greater power grab in the future. Who is going to stop a Republican state legislature from raising the price of a state issued photo ID to $1000 dollars? or requiring greater and greater hurdles to jump through? Why violate the constitution, open that door, over a problem that does not even exist?

It only makes sense to ID people at the polls. ONE legal citizen, ONE legal vote. Whats the problem with that? Anyone arguing that it costs too much or that it costs at all to get an ID card Needs to get off the internet for a month to pay for that ID card. I find it hard to imagine all the hungry, homeless, naked, cold, shoeless, people who are sitting on the sidewalk right now playing on their laptops.

MOTF!

edit on 14-6-2011 by MessOnTheFED! because: (no reason given)

Who says that the people that cannot afford one are on ATS? I can afford a photo ID. I have one. I just thought you constitution types actually cared about it. I guess it really only matters sometimes, those times it is the most important thing in the world.

reply to post by Antiquated1


I guess Voter fraud isnt a problem? Or an illegal alien being able to vote. Thats not a problem either?

MOTF!

Originally posted by Antiquated1

A recent national survey sponsored by the Brennan Center for Justice at NYU School of Law reveals that millions of American citizens do not have readily available documentary proof of citizenship.

As many as 11 percent of United States citizens – more than 21 million individuals – do not have government-issued photo identification.

Elderly citizens are less likely to possess government-issued photo identification.

Minority citizens are less likely to possess government-issued photo identification.

Citizens with comparatively low incomes are less likely to possess photo identification.

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edit on 10-6-2011 by Antiquated1 because: (no reason given)

Wow.

The elderly (now that the GOP wants to voucherize medicare)
Minorities
Low income

Looks like requiring photo ID would give the GOP an 11 percent advantage at the ballot box.

reply to post by Antiquated1

Maybe at your next MENSA meeting, someone can teach you what "shall not be abridged" means.

The partial quote you gave distorts it's meaning. The full quote is "Right to vote shall not be abridged because of color or previous servitude." That is what the 15th amendment refers to. And I have only attended one meeting and that was a very long time ago. Thanks for asking.

The 2nd amendment does not say anything about guns. If you do not like paying for your arms, build your own. You have that right.

But you would still have to pay someone for the parts to build your own arm, yes? And isn't the word 'arm' a synonym for 'gun' or 'firearm'? My point is simply that there is no place in the Constitution in which it is specifically stated that ANY right has to be free of charge. You have the right to free speech, but if you want that free speech to be on a television commercial, you still have to pay for it. Or if you were in a park and wanted to have a gathering of people, in some localities, you need to pay for a permit first.

reply to post by Cuervo

Originally posted by mishigas
reply to post by Asktheanimals


Voter fraud is a non-issue.
If they were actually worried about Vote fraud they would get rid of electronic voting machines.
But they won't do that since it gives them the ability to fix elections.

And it's impossible to fix elections with paper ballots?

Voter/registration fraud *is* an issue.

What I find ironic is that the biggest example of voter fraud was when G-dub stole the election from that other Skull-N'-Bones fella. Yet, it's his political gene pool that wants to add a prohibitive element to voting in the false guise of "preventing voter fraud".

I still can't believe people are buying it.

Still beating that dead drum about Bush, eh?:shk: Even the Dem's admit he won fair and square.

And, "prohibitive element"? Voter ID? If a voter ID is way too tough for somebody to obtain, I'd say they were too pathetic to vote anyway. They probably wouldn't be able to figure out how to go to the polling station, much less cast a vote.

reply to post by Antiquated1

Originally posted by mishigas


And it's impossible to fix elections with paper ballots?

Voter/registration fraud *is* an issue.

Convince me.

Stop hiding all that great evidence that voter fraud is an issue. You seem genuinely worried about a problem you cannot even demonstrate ever happening. Repeat it without any backing facts for another 20+ pages then. See if you get any more convincing that way.

I'm not going to give you one example. You've received numerous examples throughout this thread and you continue to whine for evidence. You are either extremely dense, or just basking in the attention you've begged for. Or maybe both; I don't know and don't care.

reply to post by Indigo5

Wow.

The elderly (now that the GOP wants to voucherize medicare)
Minorities
Low income

Looks like requiring photo ID would give the GOP an 11 percent advantage at the ballot box.

Riddle me this: If the Vote ID's were issued FREE OF CHARGE, as may states do, then how are those people disenfranchised?

I'd really like to know. You and Antiquated1 keep erecting this non-issue? Why? Hungry for attention?

Very glad they are moving towards voter IDs. There have been so many problems with bussing people from one location to the next and voting multiple times, illegals voting and identity fraud of the dead I can't imagine anyone would have a problem with this unless they are approving of the various forms of voting fraud in some way.

Originally posted by MessOnTheFED!
reply to post by Antiquated1

 

I guess Voter fraud isnt a problem? Or an illegal alien being able to vote. Thats not a problem either?

MOTF!

Where is voter fraud a problem? Have you taken note of the length of this thread? The number of times this question has been asked? How an answer is still yet to come? Maybe voter fraud is a problem. It should be fairly easy to point out with a case or two.

Originally posted by mishigas
reply to post by Indigo5

 

Wow.

The elderly (now that the GOP wants to voucherize medicare)
Minorities
Low income

Looks like requiring photo ID would give the GOP an 11 percent advantage at the ballot box.

Riddle me this: If the Vote ID's were issued FREE OF CHARGE, as may states do, then how are those people disenfranchised?

(1) While some states issue "FREE" voter registration cards, the documents required to obtain those cards are neither free or convenient for the average working Joe or Jane to obtain. Ex: Certified Birth Certificate.

See requirements for Georgia. Start at this link and pretend you are a voter without a DL and try to figure out where, when and how to get a Voter ID.

www.dds.ga.gov...


(2) For a city resident that likely does not own a car (No DL) and works 60 hours a week you are asking them to
(a) Be aware of the new regulation
(b) Research and discover the where and what of how to get a card
(c) Find out where they can order their birth certificate, if not local then from their home state.
(d) PAY for that Registered/sealed BC
(e) Likely take off work to go to the registrars office and order it
(f) Wait for it to arrive
(e) Find out where they must go to get a Voter ID
(f) Then likely take off work to go and wait in line to obtain a Voter ID card with their packet of materials.

For the average working citizen it is a HUGE pain in the ass and requires taking time off work or waiting in long lines at the DMV on Saturday, assuming you don't work Saturdays.

It is BS and disenfranchises voters.

What voters? Those without a DL, Elderly, Low-income, majority minorities.

Call it what you will as I am sure you will, but any rational observer sees it for what it is.

reply to post by Indigo5


Here are a couple of onerous, impossible-for-the common-man requirements that you forgot:

* Actually pick up a (supplied for you) pen and sign your X or your signature on the ID

* Look into the camera, if asked.

Horrible, I know. Bordering on torture. As inhumane as waterboarding. And racist.

Here comes the police state!

reply to post by mishigas


Please show me 2 examples of Voter fraud in this country.
(where voters have misrepresented themselves to vote illegally, besides the blonde neocon woman from Florida whose name I forget)

27 pages and still people are missing the whole point. I am seeing a whole lot of "people should have an ID" or "it's only 15 dollars. They're too cheap. have bigger issues etc....."

The bottom line is that as Americans, we are born with the right to vote. The constitution doesn't say anything about having to have a photo ID.

I think there can be an easy alternative. if one does not drive, nor has a non driver ID issued through the DMV, then they should be able to apply for a picture voter's registration card. Like many have stated, some states already do this. Every state should do it. You aren't forced to buy something that way. It wouldn't be mandatory to have, unless you wish to excersize your right to vote. No surcharge or fee. Just a way to ensure that those without means can still have their vote.

reply to post by Asktheanimals

reply to post by mishigas


Please show me 2 examples of Voter fraud in this country.
(where voters have misrepresented themselves to vote illegally, besides the blonde neocon woman from Florida whose name I forget)

No. Numerous examples have already been supplied in this thread, and Google is FREE to use. I won't be sent off on a chase to satisfy you.

reply to post by Asktheanimals


LBJ in Pharr county Texas on his first election to house.

Al Franken who was elected by convicted felons who were inelligible.

Less publicized was the Daley machine in Chicago getting fraudulent votes for JFK against Nixon in 1960, that gave Illinois to Kennedy.

reply to post by Asktheanimals


As Stalin said,"it doesn't matter who votes, only who gets to count the votes"

Originally posted by Boomer1941
If a United States Citizen does not possess a photo ID and want to Vote then they should be responsible enough to get one, if they fail to get one then they are more than likely not an Informed Voter and would be more apt to vote for a candidate because of huge campaign spending or what they thought they were going to get for Free, we certainly saw this with Obama and all the uninformed voters that thought Obama was going to Make their House Payments, Pump Gas into their Cars and get Free Healthcare. There is a huge faction of voters out there that shouldn't be allowed to vote because they really haven't a clue as to what they're really voting for. "Change" is what Obama was going to bring to the people and look what we've got and it keeps getting worse.

Your willingness to deny someone the right to vote because they dont share your political views disgusts me. I wonder who hates liberty more, the people in charge of our government or YOU. The "Constitution and small government when it conforms with my beliefs" attitude of you and others like you makes me want to vomit.

Im not like you, I actually support your right to express your opinion, no matter how sick and vomit inducing it may be. Although I do feel like you would be more at home in a place like China, Russia, or North Korea.

Now having read the article the following can be stated:

The claim is that by asking for a photo ID, it would end up being a form of discrimination and affect one group of people, preventing them from voting. On the opposing argument that asking and seeing an id to vote, it would prevent voting fraud.

Now in this country, no matter where you go, there are some activities that require an id to participate. If they are saying that asking for an ID to vote would equal a form of discrimination, one must wonder what they would think of these every day activities where an id is required. To legally drive or operate a vehicle on the roads one would require a drivers license. To purchase alcohol, most stores have a policy to ID the person purchasing such. To get tobacco, an ID is required, most stores have the WE CARD signs every where. To travel on a plane, train or take a bus across states, an ID is required. Picking up a prescription, if it is considered a narcotic, would require a valid form of ID. Even going into an adult book store, or bar would require a legal form of ID. Gambling where there are casinos, they do ask those who look young for an ID. So does that mean a convience store, the state drivers license place, a hospital, pharmacy, adult book store, bars, airports, bus terminals, train stations and other venues that require an id, are they discriminating against people by requiring such?

There are many venues that require and id of some kind or another. You can not get onto a military base without having a valid form of ID, so why is voting any different?

Originally posted by deesul69
ID's are cheap, and a non-issue. I don't understand the uproar.

dmvanswers.com...

Because it costs money. It doesnt matter if it costs $5, $10, or even 1 penny. Requiring someone to have something that costs money so that they can vote is a poll tax. When you go to vote you shouldnt have to pay...at all. Make them free or move on.

Originally posted by sdcigarpig
Now having read the article the following can be stated:

The claim is that by asking for a photo ID, it would end up being a form of discrimination and affect one group of people, preventing them from voting. On the opposing argument that asking and seeing an id to vote, it would prevent voting fraud.

Now in this country, no matter where you go, there are some activities that require an id to participate. If they are saying that asking for an ID to vote would equal a form of discrimination, one must wonder what they would think of these every day activities where an id is required. To legally drive or operate a vehicle on the roads one would require a drivers license. To purchase alcohol, most stores have a policy to ID the person purchasing such. To get tobacco, an ID is required, most stores have the WE CARD signs every where. To travel on a plane, train or take a bus across states, an ID is required. Picking up a prescription, if it is considered a narcotic, would require a valid form of ID. Even going into an adult book store, or bar would require a legal form of ID. Gambling where there are casinos, they do ask those who look young for an ID. So does that mean a convience store, the state drivers license place, a hospital, pharmacy, adult book store, bars, airports, bus terminals, train stations and other venues that require an id, are they discriminating against people by requiring such?

There are many venues that require and id of some kind or another. You can not get onto a military base without having a valid form of ID, so why is voting any different?

It is different because making someone pay for something that they are required to have in order to vote violates the 24th amendment. I recognize the need to verify someones identity and citizenship at the polls, but if they require any form of ID that costs money, it should be provided to those that dont have them free of charge. I think that is the issue most people have with this.