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A group of 10 large banks-including Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Morgan Stanley, J.P. Morgan Chase & Co., Citigroup Inc., Bank of America Corp. and Barclays PLC-saw their commodities revenues increase by 55% in the first quarter, according to Coalition, a firm that analyzes the performance of investment banks. After a disappointing 2010, commodities was the fastest-growing segment in banks' fixed-income businesses in the first three months of this year, even though it still accounts for just 7% of banks' total fixed-income revenues, Coalition said.
J.P. Morgan has emerged as one of the biggest beneficiaries of the commodities boom sweeping Wall Street. The bank's commodities unit-which employs about 1,800 people, more than any of its rivals-made more money during the first quarter than through all of last year, according to people familiar with the matter. So far this year, the unit has earned roughly $750 million and is on course to beat its 2011 internal target of $1.2 billion, these people added. The J.P. Morgan unit earned just $514 million for all of 2010, falling far short of its goals.
The performance at J.P. Morgan is largely the result of a recent acquisition and the run-up in prices and volatility levels. But the early results are being celebrated inside the halls of J.P. Morgan after the bank struggled through defections, miscues, bad press and a coal trade that cost the firm $130 million in 2010. The New York bank is making a bold and costly bet that a recent string of commodities-trading acquisitions will transform the operation into an industry leader and unseat rivals Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley. A bank spokeswoman declined to comment on any commodity-trading dollar figures, which it doesn't make public.
Commodities are very very volatile and very risky so it's neat to see people play it and not get wiped out.
Originally posted by kro32
Those are some ballsy people. Commodities are very very volatile and very risky so it's neat to see people play it and not get wiped out.
Pretty smart folks over there.
Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
Originally posted by kro32
Those are some ballsy people. Commodities are very very volatile and very risky so it's neat to see people play it and not get wiped out.
Pretty smart folks over there.
It's not ballsy when the game is rigged, wtf?
2ndedit on 2-6-2011 by Rockdisjoint because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by kro32
Those are some ballsy people. Commodities are very very volatile and very risky so it's neat to see people play it and not get wiped out.
Pretty smart folks over there.
Originally posted by Janky Red
Originally posted by kro32
Those are some ballsy people. Commodities are very very volatile and very risky so it's neat to see people play it and not get wiped out.
Pretty smart folks over there.
Not VERY VERY volatile if you have enough capital to move entire markets, not a very ballsy perspective.
Not VERY VERY volatile if you have enough capital to move entire markets, not a very ballsy perspective.
Originally posted by CranialSponge
Oh goody...
The banks aregamblingplayinginvesting in the stock market with ourdebtderivativeshedge fundsmoney.
Weeeeeee !
Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by Janky Red
Not VERY VERY volatile if you have enough capital to move entire markets, not a very ballsy perspective.
Not much risk when they are guaranteed bailouts.
Can't believe this bs is going on...STILL.
What a joke.
It's not rigged. Those banks took huge gambles and could have lost a bundle. Heck my 401k is spread around some of those and it makes me a bit nervous to see them taking huge gambles like that. Trust me I know that they've taken some heavy losses in the past with bad decisions so it's nice to see them finally call it right for once. I hope they don't do this too often however as it is very risky.
Originally posted by kro32
Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
Originally posted by kro32
Those are some ballsy people. Commodities are very very volatile and very risky so it's neat to see people play it and not get wiped out.
Pretty smart folks over there.
It's not ballsy when the game is rigged, wtf?
2ndedit on 2-6-2011 by Rockdisjoint because: (no reason given)
It's not rigged. Those banks took huge gambles and could have lost a bundle. Heck my 401k is spread around some of those and it makes me a bit nervous to see them taking huge gambles like that.
Trust me I know that they've taken some heavy losses in the past with bad decisions so it's nice to see them finally call it right for once. I hope they don't do this too often however as it is very risky.
Last I heard the majority of the bailout money has been paid back and things are going back to normal.
Originally posted by kro32
Originally posted by CranialSponge
Oh goody...
The banks aregamblingplayinginvesting in the stock market with ourdebtderivativeshedge fundsmoney.
Weeeeeee !
Did you know that the entire stock market is a gamble? Kinda neat huh?
This is kind of how you get a higher return on your money.
Originally posted by kro32
Originally posted by Janky Red
Originally posted by kro32
Those are some ballsy people. Commodities are very very volatile and very risky so it's neat to see people play it and not get wiped out.
Pretty smart folks over there.
Not VERY VERY volatile if you have enough capital to move entire markets, not a very ballsy perspective.
Tell that to my 401k over the last 10 years.
I haven't looked at how much moved but I doubt they manipulated the entire oil commodity market. They took a gamble and it paid off simple as that.
Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by Janky Red
Not VERY VERY volatile if you have enough capital to move entire markets, not a very ballsy perspective.
Not much risk when they are guaranteed bailouts.
Can't believe this bs is going on...STILL.
What a joke.
They should have guaranteed capital punishment But now that we have opened the door for unlimited tinkering of politics and money we are done for.
Ron Paul and Jesus couldn't straighten out this mess