Note to mods: I do know there are a few old threads on ATS regarding the Titanic, (of which I will link to at the end) but nothing that
I have found contained the vast amount of information and various theories all in one place, and this is something that I have researched and put a
lot of time into. So please don’t close it
The Titanic – An In-Depth Look
I wanted to take an in depth look at the ship called Titanic, visit the various theories of conspiracy and cover up, and have a look at the general
lore sounding this doomed ship. So together we shall take a *voyage* of discovery into unknown waters, of what has been deemed one of
the greatest tragedies of all time, and perhaps one that should never have happened in this first place.
So the question remains boys and girls, was this one big conspiracy? Was it due to a curse? Or was this just an unfortunate accident? We shall try and
find out together.
Almost everyone will know the basics of the Titanic and her doomed journey, but for those who either don’t know or a bit sketchy on it here are the
The Bare Essentials
Essentials list is taken from Wikipedia
Name: RMS Titanic
Owner: White Star Line
Route: Southampton to New York City
Ordered: 17 September 1908
Builder: Harland and Wolff, Belfast
Laid down: 31 March 1909
Launched: 31 May 1911
Christened: Not christened
Completed: 31 March 1912
Maiden voyage: 10 April 1912
In service: 1912
Identification: Radio Callsign "MGY"
Fate: Sank on 15 April 1912 after hitting an iceberg in middle of Atlantic Ocean
Class and type: Olympic-class ocean liner
Tonnage: 46,328 gross register tons (GRT)
Displacement: 52,310 tons
Length: 882 ft 9 in (269.1 m)
Beam: 92 ft 0 in (28.0 m)
Height: 175 ft (53.3 m) (Keel to top of funnels)
Draught: 34 ft 7 in (10.5 m)
Depth: 64 ft 6 in (19.7 m)
Decks: 9 (Lettered A through G)
21 knots (39 km/h; 24 mph)
23 knots (43 km/h; 26 mph) (maximum) Capacity:
Passengers and crew (fully loaded):
Staterooms (840 total):
First Class: 416
Second Class: 162
Third Class: 262
Plus 40 open berthing areas
Also worthy to note that Lifeboats For her maiden voyage, Titanic carried a total of 20 lifeboats of three different varieties:
Lifeboats 1 and 2: emergency wooden cutters: 25'2" long by 7'2" wide by 3'2" deep; capacity 326.6 cubic feet (9.25 m3) or 40 people.
Lifeboats 3 to 16: wooden lifeboats: 30' long by 9'1" wide by 4' deep; capacity 655.2 cubic feet (18.55 m3) or 65 people.
Lifeboats A, B, C and D: Englehardt "collapsible" lifeboats: 27'5" long by 8' wide by 3' deep; capacity 376.6 cubic feet (10.66 m3) or 47
Out of 2,223 people that were aboard the Titanic only 706 people survived. Most of the deaths were caused by Hypothermia, the
temperature of the ocean was 28 degree F (-2 degree C), Most of the deaths would have occurred within 15 minutes.
Why did the titanic sink?
It is believed that it sank when the Titanic hit the iceberg, a 350 foot gash was torn in the starboard side of the forward hull. Water entered the
ship causing six of the sixteen watertight compartments to flood. The Titanic was designed to stay afloat if 3 or possibly 4 compartments flooded. As
the sea rose above the watertight bulkheads, adjoining compartments filled with water (a simple way to conceptualize how Titanic flooded is to think
of what happens when you fill an ice cube tray with water). The added water weight pulled Titanic's bow deeper into the ocean until the great ship
gave up its fight and finally sank. The Titanic's "remarkable" and "innovative" watertight design proved to be a mistake and said to have helped
contribute to its tragic demise.
So now we have the bare essentials of the titanic let’s take a look at the various theories and speculations that have dogged this
ship since it first sank and indeed perhaps it even left the dock, let the journey begin. Could this just have been just shear bad luck?, was it
incompetency?, bad design? A curse? some deeper darker conspiracy? Or was it a combination off all the aforementioned? In all honesty we will proberly
never know the full truth of it but we can speculate here I am going to list some of the on-going conspiracy theories surrounding the ship,
taking a look at the darker side of it. Hopefully you read the thread in full and still be awake at the end.
The Titanic & Olympic Conspiracy
This is an interesting theory, one that has had books written about it, authors Steve Hall & Bruce Beveridge explored this theory in their book
Olympic & Titanic: The Truth behind the Conspiracy . The following is an abstract from their book:
On September 20th 1911, the Titanic’s older sister Olympic, sailed from Southampton England. Within the hour a collision occurred, compromising
the Olympics’ structural integrity. Did the Olympic suffer from damage that was so severe that she was not worth repairing? Did the White Star Line
switch the Olympic with her near identical sister Titanic in a ruse to intentionally sink their mortally damaged flagship on April 15th 1912?
Olympic & Titanic, The Truth behind the Conspiracy explores the switch theory, addresses evidence and gives the final answer to the intriguing
question of which ship actually lies on the bottom of the North Atlantic today.
Another theorist of this notion was Robin Gardner, who outlined his thoughts in his book Titanic: the ship that never sank , again as the 1st
2 authors suggested he theorizes that the Olympic and the titanic were swapped (both being nearly identical) in some sort of insurance fraud. Both
have some pretty compelling evidence to support such claims that this theory could be deemed plausible . An interesting read is a paper done by
Mark Chirnsdale who analyses the information in the book Titanic: the ship that never sank , he goes into great detail about his findings
regarding this conspiracy and well worth the time to read it folks OLYMPIC & TITANIC
– AN ANALYSIS OF THE ROBIN GARDINER CONSPIRACY.PDF format . Defiantly some food for thought on this theory that’s for sure.
Other interesting sites you may want to visit for this one:
When the titanic left the Harland and Wolff docks, in Belfast, on her way to the South Hampton docks, for her maiden voyage. Why did she have a newly
named room, The Olympic room? Is it because, a lot of shipping merchants believe, it is bad luck to change the name on a ship, and J Bruce Ismay, and
J.P. Morgan, thought it best, to have the Olympics name still somewhere on board?
On the day, the Titanic, was set to sail her maiden voyage, why did the owner of Whitestar line J.P. Morgan cancel his passage, only hours before the
ship was due to sail?
Why did J Bruce Ismay order the Captain to take her full steam ahead, knowing full well they had recieved a great many iceberg warnings?
Why did the ship make an unscheduled course change? Was this to put her on a collision course with that iceberg?
Why is it, that any of the crew, that could have proven a conspiracy, go down with the ship, that night? Is this so nobody would be able to speak out
about, what J Bruce Ismay, and J.P. Morgan had done?
We may never know the actual truth behind the sinking of the Titanic, but with GREAT conspiracy theory sites on the web, and excellent books coming
out, and raising some hard cold facts about that night,we atleast have the chance to look at it, from a different point of view
Perhaps a more controversial theory, this theory centralizes around a catholic order called the Jesuits, with ties/links to the Morgan’s, the
Rothschilds ,the Rockefeller’s and the federal reserve bank. Maybe not one I would subscribe to personally however I still find it interesting none
the less, and feel it only right to include it onto the conspiracy list because as they say you never know
A bit about Jesuits.
Founded in 1540, the Society of Jesus grew rapidly within the Catholic Church. They were confessors to the ruling families of Europe. They defend
the Pope and Catholicism around the world in nearly every country. In 1773, Clement XIV suppressed the Jesuits. In 1814, Pope Pius VII responded to
pressure and restored the Society. There are Jesuit colleges and ministries today. They are a very influential organization. Jesuits are dedicated to
furthering Catholicism and the power of the Pope. Yet...there is a secret, negative side to this organization called 'the Society of Jesus.' For
hundreds of years they carried out religious killings. They were the men in dark cloaks who carried daggers. (Were they the religious CIA for their
The Rothschilds, Morgans and Rockefellers are controlled by the Jesuit Order. The most powerful of families 'do whatever is necessary to destroy
constitutional liberty in America and bring the Pope to world domination.' Construction of the Titanic began in 1909; at a shipyard in Belfast,
Ireland. Belfast was Protestant and hated by the Jesuits. Morgan took control of the White Star Lines. The Jesuits ordered J.P. Morgan to build the
Titanic. From the very beginning of the luxury liner, the Titanic was destined for doom.
So according to this theory, the Jesuits controlled everything really all in the name of the pope *rolls eyes*. More The extracts are meant to be
about a book that was released called The Secret Terrorists' printed by Truth Triumphant Ministries and reprinted by Tree of Life
There were a number of powerful men who were NOT in favor of the Federal Reserve System. Benjamin Guggenheim, Isa Strauss and John Jacob Astor
opposed the formation of a F.R.S. These men were arguably the richest men in the world and stood in the way of the Jesuits' plan. 'These three men
were coaxed and encouraged to board the floating palace.' Not only were these enemies of the Jesuits against a Federal Reserve Bank, but they would
have used their wealth and influence to oppose World War I.
So this was done so that they would have no-one to oppose them or *use their wealth* so to speak
Many Irish, French and Italian Catholics were on board. Protestants from Belfast were also encouraged to immigrate to the United States on the
Titanic. These were 'expendable' people; for the most part. But, the real reason for the ship's destruction was a game between the super rich
whereby Guggenheim-Strauss-Astor could be eliminated. 'They had to be destroyed by a means so preposterous that no one would suspect they were
murdered, and no one would suspect the Jesuits.'
The Captain of the Titanic was Edward Smith. He was a Jesuit and worked for J.P. Morgan. Anyone could be a Jesuit and their identity not be known.
>From National Geographic 'The Secrets of the Titanic,' (1986):
When the ship departed southern England, on board was Francis Browne. He was the most powerful Jesuit in all of Ireland and the 'Jesuit Master of
Edward Smith.' 'Here is Jesuit treachery at its finest. The provincial Father Francis Browne boards the Titanic, photographs the victims, most
assuredly briefs the Captain concerning his oath as a Jesuit, and the following morning bids him farewell...' Eric J. Phelps, Vatican Assassins
Halcon Unified Services. P. 247.
Just a little more
The pages of 'The Secret Terrorists' do not specifically name the Templars, Freemasons or Illuminati. But these Secret Societies are related
and do control: The banks; the money system; the oil companies; corporations; governments; the politicians; the military; the police; the law and
judicial system; the churches; the schools; the media, etc., etc...
Certain conspiracy theorists believe that there was a force behind the sinking of the Titanic. A Catholic order known as the Jesuits compelled to
carry out Jesus’ work. In this instance, theorists believe that the establishment of the U.S. Federal Reserve was ushered into being. Those in
belief of the theory speak of a group of Illuminati, enlightened individuals with a plan for a New World Order, in which it will be necessary to
establish the Federal Reserve.
Theorists believe that the mysteries surrounding the sinking of the Titanic are simply too coincidental not to be premeditated. Smith, being a
mater navigator of the Atlantic, allegedly sailed directly into iceberg territory, failing to heed the numerous warnings given by other ships to
decrease speed, and tread carefully. The glancing blow to the side of the Titanic is also said to violate basic safety measurements associated with
sailing. Danger is meant to be met head on to avoid exactly what happened to the Titanic.
Again I suppose it’s entirely plausible but is it true?
The Titanic & the Mummy Curse
I have always found this particular one interesting. Do I think its true? Probably not, it was more likely a story made up to scare people. This
particular mummy was said to be The Princess of Amen-Ra who lived some 1,500 years before Christ, and mystery, curses and death have surrounded this
particular mummy since it was first unearthed. Coincidental deaths? Perhaps but freaks you out none the less
In the late 1890s, four rich, young, Englishmen visiting the excavations at Luxor were invited to buy an exquisitely fashioned mummy case
containing the remains of Princess of Amen-Ra.
They drew lots. The man who won paid several thousand pounds and had the coffin taken to his hotel. A few hours later, he was seen walking out towards
the desert. He never returned. The next day, one of the remaining three men was shot by an Egyptian servant accidentally. His arm was so severely
wounded it had to be amputated. The third man in the foursome found on his return home that the bank holding his entire savings had failed. The fourth
man suffered a severe illness, lost his job and was reduced to selling matches in the street.
Nevertheless, the coffin reached England (causing other misfortunes along the way), where it was bought by a London businessman . After three of
his family members had been injured in a road accident and his house damaged by fire, the businessman donated it to the British Museum
The accidents and eaths did not stop there though.a photographer who is said to have taken a photo of the coffin after hearing the curse stories shot
himself in his dark room after developing the film and seeing a human face in anguish on the mummy
Museum's night watchmen frequently heard frantic hammering and sobbing from the coffin . Other exhibits in the room were also often hurled about
at night . One watchman died on duty; causing the other watchmen wanting to quit. Cleaners refused to go near the Princess too . When a visitor
derisively flicked a dust cloth at the face painted on the coffin, his child died of measles soon afterwards. Finally, the authorities had the mummy
carried down to the basement . Figuring it could not do any harm down there. Within a week, one of the helpers was seriously ill, and the supervisor
of the move was found dead on his desk.
After multiple accidents and deaths the museum found a private collector to take the mummy but again tragedy followed the mummy everywhere.
Eventually, a hard-headed American archaeologist (who dismissed the happenings as quirks of circumstance), paid a handsome price for the mummy
and arranged for its removal to New York . In April of 1912, the new owner escorted its treasure aboard a sparkling, new White Star liner about to
make its maiden voyage to New York.
On the night of April 14, amid scenes of unprecedented horror, the Princess of Amen-Ra accompanied 1,500 passengers to their deaths at the bottom of
the Atlantic. The name of the ship was Titanic.
Other versions of this story tell of the mummy being placed in a lifeboat as the Titanic was sinking. It eventually reaches New York and causes all
the usual havoc so it is sent back to Egypt on the "Empress of Ireland" which also sank with a great loss of life. The mummy also managed to survive
this sinking by once again being placed in a life boat. It was then attempted to resend the mummy back to Egypt on the "Lusitania", but this time
the ship sank and took the mummy along with it. The mummy supposedly now resides at the bottom of the ocean in the "Lusitania's" cargo hold.
Just a few Weird things related to the disaster.....
- In 1898, a fictional story called 'The wreck of the titan' was written by the author Morgan Robertson, which told the story of a ship called the
Titan which hit an iceberg and that there were a lack of lifeboats on this ship. Robertson claimed to be psychic and got his inspiration for this
story from his psychic abilities.
- In 1892, British journalist William Thomas Stead wrote an article in the Pall Mall Gazette describing crossing the atlantic aboard the Majestic, one
of the finest liners of that period, and during that crossing a clairvoeyent passanger encounters 2 ghostly survivors from the wreck of the Ann &
Jane, which sank after striking an iceberg. William Stead travelled on the Titanic, and died in the sinking.
In 1898 (14 years prior to the Titanic tragedy), Morgan Robertson wrote a novel called Futility. This fictitious novel was about the largest ship ever
built hitting an iceberg in the Atlantic ocean on a cold April night. The fictional ship (named Titan) and the real ship Titanic were similar in
design and their circumstances were remarkably alike. Both ships were labeled "unsinkable".
Dreams and Bad Feelings
- The Adelmans were planning to return to America on the Titanic. Suddenly, Mrs. Adelman had a terrible feeling of danger. She and her husband didn't
travel on theTitanic.
- Mrs. Blanche Marshall watched the Titanic from an island near Southampton. "That ship is going to sink before it reaches America," she said. "I
can see hundreds of people in the icy water.
Other perhaps more mundane theories
That J. Bruce Ismay conspired with Captain Smith recklessly to sail the ship at maximum speed was one such theory. That crew members conspired to
prevent steerage passengers from reaching the lifeboat deck was another. That the Marconi Company may have conspired to suppress eye-witness accounts
of the tragedy that did not emanate from its own news service is likelier. It has also been suggested that the ship-builders knowingly worked from
flawed designs and with inadequate materials.
Below is part 1 of 6 – a docu called why they sunk the titanic
My Thoughts/ Conclusions
In all honesty I believe that the titanic was a tragedy that was caused by a hell of a lot of tiny mistakes and errors made, ranging from the actual
design to the actions of the crew & captain. However we can never fully rule out anything especially the compelling evidence in regards to the
Jesuits/federal reserve’s connection and the theory on the deliberate sinking for insurance gains. I’m sure there was even a theory on the titanic
being sunk by other means other than an iceberg, one being by a missile/submarine of some sorts, but hence I could find nothing on it. This is by no
means c omplete list of the theories just a few I selected as they appear to be the forerunners. Thank you for taking the time to read.
Just SOME Ats related threads in relation to the titanic
There is also the simple ice pack theory. That it wasn't an iceberg, but an ice pack that on a moonless night, would of been hard to see.
That and the coal fire theory, that a common problem was coal burners would reignite themselves and the ship was traveling at unsafe speeds while they
tried to get the coal out.
Stars were still used for navigation at the time.
A theory that I can't find a link for is that ice bergs are seasonal. That there shouldn't of been any in the shipping lanes at that time of year.
but due to a large meterological change that happens once in a while, they moved in early. Though I haven't been able to find info on this. Simply
put, it wasn't iceberg season so they weren't looking.
I've always been fascinated by the Titanic and its story.
Despite that, the book being written years before was the only thing I knew of when I began reading your thread. Good stuff! The Titanic/Olympia
switch was wild. Jesuits? Highly doubtful, but never say never.
I do find the insurance information interesting. My only counterpart is any engineer or boat officianado would of been able to tell the difference.
The average passenger may not.
I don't know why, but I do find the story of the Titanic fascinating. As far as tragedies go, it wasn't even that big. But I think it emphasizes the
division of classes, and how that needed to end. But it still hasn't.
i dont think the division of classes will ever truly be sorted. in todays numbers perhaps the titanic tragedy isnt that big but in the standards for
back then it was pretty big. i think the biggest uproar was the factor of the boats for 1 they wernt even filled to capacity as well as being no were
near enough on board to start with. , for 2. men were gettin on taking up the place of women and children. perhaps the diagrams below can put it in
Other than the obvious theory that it was just a tragic accident due to whatever reason, i suppose the most plausable theory would be the
consideration that insurance etc played a big part
But there were also no laws dictating that they had to have adequate life boats. That didn't come into effect until Titanic.
It was a tragedy, but at the same time, it instigated a lot of life saving mandates.Such as distress codes and safety requirements.
Very eye-catching title "In Depth". Just the title alone makes the whole thread look like worth-while reading.
Lot of information on here but from what I had time to scan over, it seems to be information of credible substance.
I've seen the second photograph in the thread before. Supposedly taken after the sinking while White Star employees were painting out the ship's
name on the lifeboats. Official story was that it was to discourage souvenir seekers.
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had a second thought.
That was weird. Just opened this thread as the news was showing the ceremony that was held at the shipyard in Belfast today!!
Always been fascinated by the Titanic. Used to spend hours poring over books about it that my father bought and have also visited Harland and Wolff to
see where it was built.
Some of the theories about what happened to it are very interesting, but I do think myself that it was just an accident. It does seem that the owners
of the ship were overconfident and may well have put the ship in danger without realising that they were doing so.
In my opinion, it's just one of those things that happen that seem to defy all logic and for that very reason I think people try to find all sort of
excuses for it.
But in saying that I will check out all the links and videos you have presented and you never know, I could end up changing my mind yet
thank you everyone for taking the time to read and reply, since i was a child and i watched a very old version of the titanic movie (it was in black
and white)i have always wondered about the titanic, what must they have been thinking, what went through their minds, what about the children such
a horrible way to die, as most of them would have frozen to death, quite simply. At least lessons were learned from this disaster irregardless to
whether or not it was a conspiracy or just shear bad luck of circumstances.
Lets examine the mentality of your arguement not the information you have.
The intention is the sink the 'Olympic' by intentionally ramming her into an iceberg with the full knowledge of those sailing her and running her
that they would all die. This includes the one who built her and the Captain etc.
Oh, let not forget the 'Titanic' found ice well below where ice was suppossed to be and that they would have had to go around i circles for days
Go commit yourself if you believe this stuff, it's worse than aliens, haarp, chemtrails and all the other conspiracy garbage.
But first consider you want the insurance money for your house so you burn it down with you inside it to make it look more real....
never once says i believed this stuff anywhere in my post. i said a few maybe plausablie. all i was doing was l;laying out the theories that
have arisen from the titanic sinking. taking an unbiased view of it. its up to others to make up their own minds
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