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So some have asked: are all these people in it? Are all the media, institutions, government officials and institutions and the scientists actively run the cover up? Yes...That's the point.
The society needs to get information from "credible" (notice the " ") sources in order to believe something. So, all you need is to control the top of the "credible" sources of information. That is all.
Does a technology or a particular science NEEDS to be peer-reviewed to work? No.
Another error is to completely dismiss witnesses and testimonials. While a lot of them may be false...it seems illogical to me that all these people would be either lying, being lied to, or simply not understanding the concept and that none of them were making genuine claims.
Originally posted by Gab1159
Some people have to understand the concept behind the technological suppression. It's a conspiracy. I know some people just don't see it, and think it's a cheap/lame argument...
Originally posted by soleprobe
The only place I’ve seen where “some people just don't see it” are these online discussion boards where the battle lines between truth and falsehood have been drawn.
So why did the media cover failed and/or fraudulent technologies in the past? There are plenty of news videos on Stanley Meyer and the like, and the only thing I notice from that is sloppy reporting on the people who made the story. If it was a grand conspiracy, why did they mention it at all? Why has there been a "60 Minutes" done on cold fusion?
I don't think the majority of MSM news outlets are credible, but on the other hand, alternative news sources seem to be worse, because they have no standards and no regulations.
No, but it needs to work. Which makes it reproducible. Which makes it very easy to peer review.
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by speculativeoptimist
The electric car isn't really a good comparison. It wasn't "revolutionary" technology. As I recall, I think the movie goes a bit overboard on the conspiracy angle and definitely relies too much on celebrity babble.
Are electric vehicles being suppressed now? Are oil companies making less money?
Originally posted by Version100
Could anyone point me to evidence that Nikola Tesla ever
proposed a viable "free energy" system ??
I have been a student of Tesla for approximately 30 years
and have read every piece of material on him that was not
written by some unsourced retard and there is nothing in
his work that indicates he was creating a "free energy"
system.
The proposed wireless transmission system would have
required a power company to supply transmitters and
receivers and the system would have been metered.
Nikola Tesla was one of the greatest geniuses of all time
but the wireless transmission system at Wardenclyff was
never intended to be any kind of "free energy" system.
He did postulate that "one day" mankind would draw
power "from the very wheel works of the universe" but
saying something would happen "one day" is much
different than being able to provide "free energy".
If anyone can provide a credible source for a Tesla
designed "free energy" system I would be most
interested to see it.
Originally posted by samkent
A patent does not stop someone from making the device in their own back yard.
And yet no one has done it. I wonder why?
Where are all these water powered cars the web is a buzz about? Wouldn’t a few on them show up in the local news stories? Or are all the news outlets in on it too? I guess Big oil is paying all six of our local tv stations not to broadcast those segments. Are they also paying the two local news papers hush money? What about our neighborhood papers? Where do the payments stop?
How much of BIG OIL profits go into KEEPING THE SECRET?
There are 21,446 tv and radio stations in the US. How much money would it take to silence them all? My guess is close to a billion just for the US. And that’s just the US.
Bill Clinton couldn’t even get a BJ in the oval office in total secrecy and yet not a peep from 21,446 stations. How many disgruntled employees get fired from these stations each year?
Originally posted by john_bmth
Originally posted by poet1b
People who dismiss this information off hand without every doing any research choose ignorance.
Evidence. Credible evidence. Peer-reviewed science, independent laboratory tests from credible institutions. The burden of proof is on those who claim to break the known laws of physics. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof. Anything less is simply insufficient as you are no longer preaching to the choir. Claims are ten a penny, evidence is hard to come by. If the evidence is so compelling, where is it?
Originally posted by Amaterasu
1. When something is suppressed, it is very difficult to obtain evidence.
2. Peer review is biased in what They consider to review to begin with
3. Overunity does NOT break the known laws of physics - energy is NOT created out of "thin air." The plenum is seething with energy and there are ways of extracting that energy in useful form.
4. Hardly "extraordinary." Nothing extraordinary in drawing energy from a source.
5. Evidence is "hard to come by" because it is suppressed.
A friend of Mine worked for an inventor that was using magnets and the Earth's field to draw energy - the inventor was demonstrating it and garnering interest for investment. The FBI showed up and arrested the guy for "patent infringement (!)," and confiscated His equipment (leaving My friend out of a job).
Now, the inventor had arrived at His invention on His own - He had no clue of patents and though His work was unique. IF there is a patent that draws energy from magnetics like that...where the f# is it?
Oh, there's suppression alright.
Originally posted by john_bmth
Originally posted by Amaterasu
1. When something is suppressed, it is very difficult to obtain evidence.
So... there isn't any evidence? If there is, where is it?.
2. Peer review is biased in what They consider to review to begin with
*Sigh* Moving the goalposts again. I've addressed this point many times in this thread, I'm not going to repeat myself (again).
3. Overunity does NOT break the known laws of physics - energy is NOT created out of "thin air." The plenum is seething with energy and there are ways of extracting that energy in useful form.
Now I'd hate to think you were trying to out-jargon me by parroting sciency-sounding words you've read on one of these "alternative energy" websites, so back up your assertion with the appropriate academic paper(s) that support your position else you are making yet another unsubstantiated claim. Oh but of course, peer-reviewed science is inadmissible
4. Hardly "extraordinary." Nothing extraordinary in drawing energy from a source.
If it's so "ordinary", where is your "over unity" power generator? If they're so mundane, I'm assuming you have one, right? And yes, "over unity" does violate the laws of physics. Thus, the claims are extraordinary and require extraordinary proof. Or at least some proof...
5. Evidence is "hard to come by" because it is suppressed.
But the plans for theses "ordinary" devices are all over the internet, so why haven't you built one? Also, you are implicitly admitting there is no evidence because it is "suppressed". Thus, none of your wild claims can be substantiated as by even your own admission there is no evidence. And round we go...
A friend of Mine worked for an inventor that was using magnets and the Earth's field to draw energy - the inventor was demonstrating it and garnering interest for investment. The FBI showed up and arrested the guy for "patent infringement (!)," and confiscated His equipment (leaving My friend out of a job).
An FBI raid... to thwart patent infringement? Yet another wild, unsubstantiated claim...
Now, the inventor had arrived at His invention on His own - He had no clue of patents and though His work was unique. IF there is a patent that draws energy from magnetics like that...where the f# is it?
So, instead of evidence you present MORE unsubstantiated, anecdotal evidence (this time in the form of "the gub'ment come took mah lab-you-tory!"). There is a pattern emerging here...
Oh, there's suppression alright.
Suppression of critical thinking, yes.
Leaks of information happen. The medias enforce the status quo, that has always been like this. The status quo NOW is that free-energy is impossible and that their are no better forms of energy than oil/nuclear power. Anyways...I'm not sure I fully get what you mean...
ga.water.usgs.gov...
Hydropower is the most important and widely-used renewable source of energy.
Hydropower represents 19% of total electricity production.
China is the largest producer of hydroelectricity, followed by Canada, Brazil, and the United States (Source: Energy Information Administration).
Approximately two-thirds of the economically feasible potential remains to be developed. Untapped hydro resources are still abundant in Latin America, Central Africa, India and China.
Hydroelectric power is not perfect, though, and does have some disadvantages:/p>
High investment costs
Hydrology dependent (precipitation)
In some cases, inundation of land and wildlife habitat
In some cases, loss or modification of fish habitat
Fish entrainment or passage restriction
In some cases, changes in reservoir and stream water quality
In some cases, displacement of local populations
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. For example, in 2007 and 2008, demand for manufacturing-quality silicon from the solar energy and semiconductor industries led to shortages that temporarily increased PV costs.14
www.scientificamerican.com... othermal-drilling-earthquakes
People living near a geothermal drilling project in fault-riddled northern California are worried about more earthquakes after a similar project triggered a major jolt in Switzerland. A seismologist explains the forces at work
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In the U.K. (population 60 million), 1,010 wind turbines produced 0.1% of their electricity in 2002, according to the Department of Trade and Industry. The government hopes to increase the use of renewables to 10.4% by 2010 and 20.4% by 2020, requiring many tens of thousands more towers. As demand will have grown, however, even more turbines will be required. In California (population 35 million), according to the state energy commission, 14,000 turbines (about 1,800 MW capacity) produced half of one percent of their electricity in 2000. Extrapolating this record to the U.S. as a whole, and without accounting for an increase in energy demand, well over 100,000 1.5-MW wind towers (costing $150-300 billion) would be necessary to meet the DOE's goal of a mere 5% of the country's electricity from wind by 2010.
Originally posted by Version100
Originally posted by soleprobe
The only place I’ve seen where “some people just don't see it” are these online discussion boards where the battle lines between truth and falsehood have been drawn.
Therein lies the rub.
I worked on radar and radio systems in the USAF, I studied electronics to work on those systems.
But, I have followed claims of "free energy" devices, at times with some excitement, and they simply do not work.
Is your "truth" based on knowledge these devices actually work ?
Or is your "truth" based on a desire to believe these devices work ?
Originally posted by boncho
reply to post by Gab1159
The suppression you are claiming is just not there, nor is the "status quo". The funny thing, is that the free energy crowd never addresses the problems that come with alternative energies.
Originally posted by Amaterasu
Yes, there is. Black ops.
Nothing in "peer-reviewed" science conflicts with plenum energy - oh, wait. You think I use "sciency-sounding words..." Guess You need help. Lessee... Plenum: The opposite of vacuum. The root of vacuum means "empty." The root of plenum means "full." The plenum is all space between particles, which seethes with "virtual" particles which add energy to Our universe. This is well established in science. Do I really have to show You the papers on this? It's well known. (And don't think I have no scientific training, love. That would be a poor assumption. I have studied quantum mechanics and cosmology extensively.)
Oh, what the heck:
www.scientificamerican.com...
Overunity: getting more energy out than is put in. If We build an energy extraction interface (whatever it might be) that extracts this plenum energy, then the energy We put in to do this will be less than what We are extracting - overunity.
No. Overunity does NOT violate the laws of physics - unless One assumes that there is no source of energy. I did not say the methods One might use to draw on the plenum energy are "ordinary." I said there is nothing extraordinary in drawing energy from a source. Perhaps Your reading comprehension is impaired...
It isn't "wild" to claim the existence of something that One knows exists, methinks. I did not say the devices were "ordinary" - that was Your word. In fact, My husband and I are working on building an invention of His which will draw on the plenum energy - but We are quite poor at the moment and funding for the project often runs into a wall. He expects to have it built within the next month or so, though.
I did NOT say there was "no evidence." Let's quit putting words in My "mouth," eh? I said there IS evidence, in the form of declassified documents (I provided links in my earlier post that You failed to respond to...), in the form of My memories, and hidden in black ops. That *I* can't access what is in black ops does not follow that there is nothing there supporting what I know.
I am telling what I know. Take it or leave it. I have little vestment in enlightening You.
[Um... I provided a bunch of evidence in that post You (I'll be generous here) missed. Perhaps You should go back and see what I provided, eh?