According to Mike Taibbi who was in the courtroom today www.msnbc.msn.com... Loughner is not cooperating with his
lawyers because he believes they are part of a conspiracy to cover up the truth that Congresswoman Giffords did in fact die. In addition to his
comment already posted here Loughner reportedly said "this is not true" during the proceedings when it was stated that she was still alive. Well, we
already knew he was a conspiracy theorist of some sort, didn't we?
Judge finds Jared Loughner incompetent to stand trial, page 2
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reply posted on 25-5-2011 @ 04:17 PM by thisguyrighthere
reply to post by DaddyBare
As a father of a murdered child you're likely the best person to comment on the issue.
Would it make anything right in your eyes if you had the chance to pummel the killer?
Would you feel better about yourself, your child, the killer, during the beating, a day after the beating, a year after the beating?
What is adequate suffering to inflict on the killer to equalize the scales of justice?
You and him in a room uninterrupted for as long as it takes. Make it right. How would you do it? When would you know you're done?
I dont deny that there is an awful lot of mockery in and maneuvering around the system. It goes both ways where criminals get off and innocents get tossed behind bars all because somebody had a score to settle.
Beyond that one has to ask what kind of system is this anyway? Is it worth preventing abuse of a system that would be better served torn down and retooled? It's like bailing water from a ship with no hull to speak of.
As a father of a murdered child you're likely the best person to comment on the issue.
Would it make anything right in your eyes if you had the chance to pummel the killer?
Would you feel better about yourself, your child, the killer, during the beating, a day after the beating, a year after the beating?
What is adequate suffering to inflict on the killer to equalize the scales of justice?
You and him in a room uninterrupted for as long as it takes. Make it right. How would you do it? When would you know you're done?
I dont deny that there is an awful lot of mockery in and maneuvering around the system. It goes both ways where criminals get off and innocents get tossed behind bars all because somebody had a score to settle.
Beyond that one has to ask what kind of system is this anyway? Is it worth preventing abuse of a system that would be better served torn down and retooled? It's like bailing water from a ship with no hull to speak of.
reply posted on 25-5-2011 @ 04:18 PM by Rockpuck
reply to post by DaddyBare
To insane to stand trial?
All the more reason to take him outback and dispose of him quickly. He serves no purpose in this society anymore.. he had his chance and he used it to become a mass murderer. Why do we give special treatments for the insane?
To insane to stand trial?
All the more reason to take him outback and dispose of him quickly. He serves no purpose in this society anymore.. he had his chance and he used it to become a mass murderer. Why do we give special treatments for the insane?
reply posted on 25-5-2011 @ 04:21 PM by ChrisCrikey
reply to post by DaddyBare
I didn't know that, DaddyBare. I can't imagine the pain you must feel. Love and blessings to you. I am so sorry for what you have gone through.
I didn't know that, DaddyBare. I can't imagine the pain you must feel. Love and blessings to you. I am so sorry for what you have gone through.
reply posted on 25-5-2011 @ 04:24 PM by thisguyrighthere
reply to post by Rockpuck
See, that's a real no sugar-coating solution.
Not one I approve of but I can respect the blunt honesty of it.
As we operate in this system Loughner serves no purpose. He wont fit into society and by all rights will never be anything more than a liability so why not just take him out back and put him down?
That's really the most efficient and complete way to deal with him and anyone else like him.
Competency shouldnt factor at all since the goal is simply to remove him from society.
No fanciful notions of justice or greater good or any of that magic crap. Just fixing a problem quickly and efficiently.
See, that's a real no sugar-coating solution.
Not one I approve of but I can respect the blunt honesty of it.
As we operate in this system Loughner serves no purpose. He wont fit into society and by all rights will never be anything more than a liability so why not just take him out back and put him down?
That's really the most efficient and complete way to deal with him and anyone else like him.
Competency shouldnt factor at all since the goal is simply to remove him from society.
No fanciful notions of justice or greater good or any of that magic crap. Just fixing a problem quickly and efficiently.
reply posted on 25-5-2011 @ 04:45 PM by mishigas
reply to post by thisguyrighthere
I agree. And further, he committed the crime when he was insane, so he should be 'penalized' as an insane person would be.
So this begs the question, what's the point?
I agree. And further, he committed the crime when he was insane, so he should be 'penalized' as an insane person would be.
reply posted on 25-5-2011 @ 07:37 PM by Rockpuck
reply to post by thisguyrighthere
It's my opinion that if you can prove you no longer function in society, society can live without you. Like a 3 strikes rule for criminals, or in the case of repeat or mass murders, swift justice via execution of the courts choice. Instead of determining "why" someone did their crime (satan told me.. god told me.. satan told me god told me..) we should value their crimes based on the effect on society. Someone who breaks into cars or assaults someone could be turned away from crime quite easily, maybe someone is having a bad day.. but when you cross the line to rape, murder, mass killings, financial crimes that effect a large population of people (Bernie) .. there is no saving you, bye bye.
At the bare minimum, people who commit heinous crimes such as violent rapes, murders etc should be forced to WORK in some fashion to pay society for their misdeeds.. all their income and profit from whatever industry we press these animals into should go to various charities. What we should NOT do .. is be kind to criminals, a murderer doesn't deserve cable TV and a library, much less a blanket and mattress..
It's my opinion that if you can prove you no longer function in society, society can live without you. Like a 3 strikes rule for criminals, or in the case of repeat or mass murders, swift justice via execution of the courts choice. Instead of determining "why" someone did their crime (satan told me.. god told me.. satan told me god told me..) we should value their crimes based on the effect on society. Someone who breaks into cars or assaults someone could be turned away from crime quite easily, maybe someone is having a bad day.. but when you cross the line to rape, murder, mass killings, financial crimes that effect a large population of people (Bernie) .. there is no saving you, bye bye.
At the bare minimum, people who commit heinous crimes such as violent rapes, murders etc should be forced to WORK in some fashion to pay society for their misdeeds.. all their income and profit from whatever industry we press these animals into should go to various charities. What we should NOT do .. is be kind to criminals, a murderer doesn't deserve cable TV and a library, much less a blanket and mattress..
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