On getting stuck in time-warps (real ones!)

And what is a real time warp, you might ask? Nothing out of the pages of science fiction, or even science fact, when you really get down to it. Rather, the real time warp is a psychological one, and it manifests as we age.

I remember being young and seeing old men and women and wondering why they dressed so “uncool.” How can anybody who walks around looking like that not know how lame they look? I’d wonder. It was hard to take such clueless creatures completely seriously.

Then I got a bit older myself and I realized that the way I dressed, the music I felt most at home with, the kinds of hobbies I might have or the aesthetic choices I might have….well, they really haven’t changed that much since the fabled days of yore, and the same can be said for most humans my age. So now I understand why the oldsters of bygone days with their fedoras and corncob pipes looked the way they did: because that’s they way they always looked, so why should they suddenly change? It’s what’s worked for them. Moreover, I realized the following delicious truth: They didn’t give a **** what some dumb kid such as myself thought about the way they dressed, and they were right not to…just like the opinions of the truly young hold little sting for me. The young might well be shocked if they knew just how un-shocking they always are. Its one of life’s more humorous little lessons.

In some ways, there is less outward clash between the generations now than there was, say, 30 or 40 years ago. A radical break came in the 1960s with the boomer generation; the contrast between them and their parents (the “greatest generation”) was much more extreme – at least on the surface – than that between them and their children, say. Kids today are not so aesthetically or superficially different from the older generations…you can still walk around in a Led-Zepplin T-shirt and jeans and not look out of place, just as you could in, say, 1969. That was 42 years ago. 42 years before 1969 was 1927, an equivalent difference. Could a man from 1927 blend in as well in the world of the late 60s as a man from then could blend in with today’s world? I have my doubts.

Nevertheless, just because the differences are not as apparent on the surface doesn’t mean they are not all the more profound in other ways. Like every other generation, the young will find something about the older generations baffling and almost embarrassingly uncool. Meanwhile, the older generations will calmly go about their business, knowing that but not really caring since it was drama they had long ago resolved for themselves. They travel blissfully within their own time warp, oblivious of the culture wars being fought on younger, more intense terrains.

Thus, as we hit different “age bands,” we become locked within different senses of time, tied to our comfortable habits by nostalgia, the mutual reinforcement of our peers, and sometimes honest wisdom. In other words, at different stages in our life, we are trapped in different ways of perceiving and understanding time on a basic level. Even so, we somehow manage to interact with others on different wavelengths, both older and younger, all having very different ideas about what time is and feels like. Not that there is anything wrong with this. Why shouldn’t it be so? Nothing looks as silly as an older person trying too hard to be young, and youth is never so foolish as when it tries to be wise beyond its age. Why not work in the Vineyard you have cultivated all your life? Growing ever subtler and more nuanced in your sense of self, your tastes and habits, complexity building upon complexity. What the young often don’t understand about age is that what seems dull is in fact incredibly complex beyond their wildest imaginings, due to the sheer effects of duration spent in this madhouse world. That fact alone changes people in ways the young can never comprehend until it really does happen to them, and it also (sometimes tragically) makes the old forget what it was to be young.

How’s the view from your time-wavelength?

Makes sense. Ever noticed "when" your mind is linked to? My thoughts, that affect my behaviour, have not changed since I was about 27/28. As far as I am concerned I have not changed since then. Outward appearance yes, but in my mind I still feel 27/28. Shame the freaking joints don't match

Well personally I'm looking forward to being the weird tattoo'd old bird in the old folks home, raising hell and demanding some NIN on the wireless.

reply to post by Suspiria


I don't think you'll be the only one. Remember, you are unique...just like everyone else.

Tattoos and body peircings will be common place before to long in the retirement community.

If you think that all that art work doesn't makes you special, you have another think coming. It's to common nowadays. You have become the masses.

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I doubt they will have anything as comfy as "old folks homes" in our brave new world. Come on people, this is ATS; needs more doom. I figure they will stack the elderly up like cordwood in warehouses and keep everyone plugged into some kind of direct-neural-stimulation virtual reality rig; maybe keep you all whacked out on eigth-generation psychotropic antidepressants. Calm and spaced out, efficient, brainless. That kind of thing. You won't even remember your own name, much less who Trent Reznor was.

I don't think you'll be the only one. Remember, you are unique...just like everyone else. Tattoos and body peircings will be common place before to long in the retirement community. If you think that all that art work doesn't makes you special, you have another think coming. It's to common nowadays. You have become the masses.

Au contraire, I think nothing of the sort. Body modification is mainstream these days but choice of tattoo's are very personal and also the extent as is music and lifestyle choice. Like it or lump it I'm outnumbered by normals with their cheap gold & Beyonce. Dribbling old Chardonnay in the next room with one tooth left in her head and enough hair for only one cornrow has a 1cm butterfly on her ass so what? I'll still bang on the wall when she plays her Kayne West full pelt cos she's deaf as a post.

I doubt they will have anything as comfy as "old folks homes" in our brave new world. Come on people, this is ATS; needs more doom. I figure they will stack the elderly up like cordwood in warehouses and keep everyone plugged into some kind of direct-neural-stimulation virtual reality rig; maybe keep you all whacked out on eigth-generation psychotropic antidepressants. Calm and spaced out, efficient, brainless. That kind of thing. You won't even remember your own name, much less who Trent Reznor was.

You can't frighten me with that, I played World of Warcrack for 5 years.

I hear your thunderous statement, Thunder!

I am coming to the same conclusions as days becomes weeks and so on...

I once had killer looks, when a teenager, but since I reproduced, I don't feel the pressure of the game anymore...

Anyway, I have to let the kids shine, it's their turn now... But I'm told that despite me looking sometimes like a hobo, young people find me cool!

But when the old age comes ( I mean the really old one ) I expect to be a form of sage counseling the resistance of mutates living in the toxic sewers that will be found at the feet of the future towns of the mega-rich.
A kind of Kuato, but without the twin protruding from my stomach.

reply to post by Suspiria


Oh, I agree, Tats are a personal expression and should at least have a story behind them. Piercings, meh, they don't do anything for me, but least they can be removed for say, a job interview.

But I do like your attitude. Just stay outta the hallway as I will be chasing nurses. Don't want to run you over in my wheelchair.

But like a dog chasing a car, will I know what to do when I catch them?

Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by Suspiria

 

Oh, I agree, Tats are a personal expression and should at least have a story behind them. Piercings, meh, they don't do anything for me, but least they can be removed for say, a job interview.

But I do like your attitude. Just stay outta the hallway as I will be chasing nurses. Don't want to run you over in my wheelchair.

But like a dog chasing a car, will I know what to do when I catch them?

Don't worry, you could run over my boots in a car and I wouldn't feel it. I'll do you the viagra for mates rates.

I find that my time wavelength is so ancient that it resonates with the world of the hunting and gathering days. When I look at people, I see the "animal" that is inside, and I can judge their degree of connection to themselves. I see thier true beings, as represented by thier connection to the natural matrix. I see a kind of artificial "plateau" that is holding people at a higher level, supporting the "egoic" world, usually an artificial frequency propagated by man-made fields - the difference between thier two "selves" is often astounding. I find that the older generations lived at a time where the energies of the ego manifested as mental disorders, however, the tables seem to be turning, as the people who would be crazy in those days are appearing sane in these days due to the system, and those of the old frequencies appear as strange because of thier natural and dynamic emotional states, what was once considered normal is now considered strange by the young generation.

However, I think, I think the whole thing is due to turn around - where we will be in a more natural state of density, where all the beings that have been inhabiting people will be released.

reply to post by SystemResistor


Is that why I feel spiders under my skin? Hmmm..maybe flashback?

Sorry, just had to.

reply to post by SystemResistor


Veery interesting reply. Thanks for that.
I like the way you conceive of your tuning as resonating with that of an earlier era, and/or, fractal-like, with larger and smaller patterns and rhythms in time. Yes, certainly, that very much the sort of thing I had in mind with this thread, although not that specifically, so the input is good loosh for the thread.

You are not alone in thinking something in our era resonates with extremely archaic societies. People and movements as diverse as the Anthropik Network, Terrance McKenna, the Primitivists, and Pentti Linkola have all explored that fertile terrain. And those people are all over the ideological spectrum; in fact, they all share in common the fact that they are original thinkers with the strength to move beyond ideology and really seize the big problems by the roots, at least as they see it. All these people have various tragic flaws, but there's still great pickings in that line of inquiry.

I was wondering why ideas about contemporary resonnances with hunter/gatherers and so forth have never been more mainstreamed, because it's so fascinating...the paralells are clear, information technology in particular is "dismantling" old ways of being and perhaps is leading towards a new primitivist mentality. But it still remains a very fring-y idea. Maybe something to do with the fact that it makes most people profoundly uncomfortable on lots of levels, because its asking them to just throw out the window entire world-views and ways of perception that they have carefully cultivated for years, investing time and effort. It asks people to jettison the most basic assumptions about their lives. Most people spend most of their time frantically shoring up the crumbling facades of whatever ways of being they have constructed for themselves...then to ask them to turn around and do the opposite..to toss out everything and head out for those wild and woolly shores...well, that's just something most people don't have in them.

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I find that the people with whom I truly "connect" with share a kind of "thread", it is a very small light, but it is a feeling of familarity, from an earlier time when the human race lived in peace and innocence - one of the most difficult concepts for the more repressed individuals of today's soceity to grasp.

I think, I know, that something happened to the human race, something that screwed us up, and only a few of us seem to still "remember" the times before the "fall" as it were.

It might sound a bit crack-pot, however, I am convinced that aliens have screwed with our DNA, and most of all the insane and troubled individuals of today are those of us who are "malfunctioning" because of the modification, and the relativley unassuming but protected soceity represent, essentially, alien souls.

Essentially, I seem to identify with those souls that are old enough to have existed before the "modifications" took place, and have come to realise what the enemy is. It is becoming increacingly difficult to "connect" however, as they seem to be suffocating the natural "densities" that are native to this planet, in order to support the densities of thier own souls - in addition, I believe that thier souls are essentially "backwards" or operate counter-clockwise, and the implant itself operates in the opposing polarity to our natural souls, thus causing many individuals to either remain "to the left" or "sell out" and transfer themselves into the "matrix" or artificial mind construct, explaining the "ego" as a behavioural modification implant, as well as the parasitic behaviours of many people, thier souls unable to channel the natural energies of the planet, thus finding it necessary to rely upon a matrix system (i.e. pyramid system, based on special "money") in order to channel such energies - the foundation of which being an advanced linguistic system. Additionally, it explains the whole idea of sin, and the extreme degree of emotional disjointedness, repression, and confusion that many individuals experience.

It is not racist to say this, but perhaps speciesist - there are three kinds of Caucasian people, one is natural from this planet and is relativley primitive but desirable (to the alien souls, especially thier women), the other is modified, and the other seem to be a separate race in its entirety that generally keep to themselves and go unnoticed. Among Indian people, it is clear that you can see a natural primitive or Aboriginal strain, as well as the Aboriginal peoples of Australia, and usually, when they are crossed (British occupation in India, and Australia) there is an immediate introduction of an ego, or "I am" (and these usually constitute the majority of immigrants back to Western nations). Amidst all of this, there is "us" that pass all of "them" by on the street, not realising what "they" are - the few of "us" that are above the poverty line, are not on drugs, and are educated seem to be diminishing in number. There is another element, an even more ancient element than man, but I won't go into detail about that species, as I think they have had enough abuse by the conspiracy community.

Basically, there has been a continuous and sustained attack on the souls of this planet, and the whole thing, throughout all the major wars, has been a slow and steady replacement and modification of the indigenous human strains. It is challenging, but in other words - who went to war, from either country, who survived and returned, and who made peace at the end of it, and who were the ones that ultimatley died during the conflicts? Who suffered at the hands of the plague, who were wiped out during the Biblical flood? Who suffer from depression, anxiety, mental illness, are incarcerated, are stifled at school, who make the wrong choices, and don't seem to fit in with the "hive mind"?

On the other hand, who are the geniuses, the poets, the musicians, who are also ultimatley envied by "them"?

reply to post by TDawgRex


The spiders are essentially a form of mini-portal, the particles that they are spraying are microscopic reflectors that enter your bloodstream, and resonate with an external electromagnetic field.

reply to post by SystemResistor


Although it is unrelated to this topic, as an extention, and because I feel strongly about it, the case is either that:

A) We have a choice to escape by playing by the rules of the "system"
B) We have a chance to free all of ourselves by dissassembling the system.

However, it is clear from my observations that many people would not be the people that they beleive themselves to be if the system was not in place, and for that reason, I feel that many people would actually be in a state of panic and confusion (moreso than in ancient times when the system was unplugged) if they system is unplugged again, as our soceity has become dependent upon it.

In terms of the idea of crossbreeding, it does sound strong to label an "enemy" and also hypocritical given my new thread about the existence and hatred of an "enemy" being part of the dellusion, however, what I am really getting at, is the full recognisation of this planets complete history, and the frustration that we experience as a species, generally confused and lied-to about our origins.

Sure, we might go crazy, we might riot, but its our planet, and we deserve the truth.

Originally posted by SystemResistor
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As an extention, it does sound strong to label an "enemy", however, what I am really getting at, is the frustration that we experience as a species, generally confused and lied-to about our origins.

Sure, we might go crazy, we might riot, but its our planet, and we deserve the truth.