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Originally posted by Josephus23
Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by Kemal
So...a country legally created by the United Nations is regarded by *rational* people, as illegal???
Thats interesting logic.
I guess you could restate that sentence as
"all ignorant, irrational people regard Israel as an illegal state"
Israel was not created by the UN. It was created by a British Writ known as the Balfour Declaration.
The reason that people want to call it an illegal occupation is because Israel is in violation of the internationally recognized treaty that established its borders in 1967.
If it were not for the veto power of the USA in the security council of the UN, then this would be more widely known.
Ignorant is a powerful word.
Originally posted by seaside sky
Many of you know and understand these things far better than I- what do you think?
Originally posted by dontreally
How is Israel committing human rights abuses? Is the Gaza strip not run by an autonomous government - Hamas?
Does the IDF do anything to Arabs in the West Bank? No. The West Bank has their own police force. Arabs living in Israel proper have more rights and freedoms than in the whole Arab world.
I'm glad you brought that up. Yes Hamas Is the ruling party in Gaza. Why? THAT is the pertinent question. My answer is that they have no choice. It boils down to Newton's 3rd law. "For every action there is and opposite and equal reaction." Israel, by extension of it's policy towards Gazans has created this schism.
Fatah is bending over and taking it dry so as to not provoke the Israelis. I wouldn't call that bilateral cooperation. That's willing subjugation.
Originally posted by dontreally
and so Hamas - who was democratically elected by Gazans (how is this Israels fault? They elected them. They wanted them....
What Israel should have done if they cared about their own security is wipe Hamas out all together..
Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by Josephus23
So the partition plan of '47 wasn't a UN initiative?
Israel already had a majority support in the UNs partition plan when they declared a stat in '48, making them a legal state.
As I have stated, this land was given to Jewish Zionists by the British and not won by them.
Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by Vitchilo
1-Good. And Israel should Warn Turkey in return:
You send that flotilla and what happened before will happen again.
2-But for Israel? No. its not like Hamas - the terror organization - governs the Gaza strip....and its not like Israel asked kindly to ship whatever they have on the flotilla to the port of Ashdod first..... Nope. # Israel, we dont respect her, is what these pathetic assholes are saying.
There was NO other option for them. That is why they were elected.
There you go. You answered your own question as to why Hamas is in control of Gaza. Attitudes like this. Remember Newton. And don't give me stats from the Sudan, et al. That's just deflection for the human rights violations that Israel, NOT JEWS, have perpetrated on the Palestinians
BTW...Several individuals who practice Judaism do not believe that the Jews have a claim to the land ascirbed to them by the Hebrew Bible. According to the prophecies of Judaism, the Jews cannot enter into the holy land until the return of their messiah. The messiah who will unite the original twelve tribes, ten of which are now unknown due to Assyrian invaders
The only reason that the British set up Arab states is because the original mandate in question explicitly stated that the creation of a Jewish state was in no way to infringe upon the rights of the indigenous people of the region.
With children being held hostage in a land with NO HEALTH CARE.
A book written by men, but claimed to be the holy word of God.
Well the Qu'ran is also written by men and claimed to be the holy word of God.
Originally posted by Josephus23
These Arabs were already on the land. They had been there for centuries.
The only claim that the Zionists have to the ARAB land is based on the Bible.
A book written by men, but claimed to be the holy word of God.
Well the Qu'ran is also written by men and claimed to be the holy word of God.
Which one is correct?
Bottom line:
The British took the land as a spoil of war. Land that did not belong to the them.
Now Zionists have been given the same land, land that does not belong to them.
And the same Zionists who contiually play the pity card for their previous sufferings ("the" holocaust, etc...) have assumed the role of empirical invaders inflicting the same damage upon the Palestinians as is claimed to have been inflicted upon them.
Uber-Hypocrites.
Originally posted by intrepid
reply to post by Kemal
Israel isn't a NATO member. Maybe by extension to the support that the US and UK give to them as allies but that's only 2 nations in NATO. As to a military exchange between Israel and Turkey. Israel can't compete without nukes.