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posted on May, 16 2011 @ 11:09 AM
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Wow. Those 'tuthers' as you call them sure seem to bother you a lot. II wonder why.




posted on May, 16 2011 @ 11:31 AM
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Come on Dave. There are more holes in the OS there are in a seive. Truthers aren't guessing....there is ample evidence to prove a multitude of contradictions in the OS.

Why don't you ask to be transferred to the UFO threads, or something. The change might do you good.

Below is a snipped from a public statement made by Dr. Stephen Pieczenik on 8th May 2011. For those who aren't aware of who he is, here's an exerpt from wikipaedia:

". Pieczenik was deputy assistant secretary of state under Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance and James Baker.[3] His expertise includes foreign policy, international crisis management and psychological warfare.[7] He served the presidential administrations of Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush in the capacity of deputy secretary.[8]"

Here's an extract from an article re what Piezczenik says about 9/11:

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Bin Laden, “Was used in the same way that 9/11 was used to mobilize the emotions and feelings of the American people in order to go to a war that had to be justified through a narrative that Bush junior created and Cheney created about the world of terrorism,” stated Pieczenik.

During his interview with the Alex Jones Show yesterday, Pieczenik also asserted he was directly told by a prominent general that 9/11 was a stand down and a false flag operation, and that he is prepared to go to a grand jury to reveal the general’s name.

“They ran the attacks,” said Pieczenik, naming Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Stephen Hadley, Elliott Abrams, and Condoleezza Rice amongst others as having been directly involved.

“It was called a stand down, a false flag operation in order to mobilize the American public under false pretenses….it was told to me even by the general on the staff of Wolfowitz – I will go in front of a federal committee and swear on perjury who the name was of the individual so that we can break it open,” said Pieczenik, adding that he was “furious” and “knew it had happened”.

“I taught stand down and false flag operations at the national war college, I’ve taught it with all my operatives so I knew exactly what was done to the American public,” he added.

Pieczenik re-iterated that he was perfectly willing to reveal the name of the general who told him 9/11 was an inside job in a federal court, “so that we can unravel this thing legally, not with the stupid 9/11 Commission that was absurd.”

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www.infowars.com...


So, are you going to call this man a conspiracy nut/truther too?











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posted on May, 16 2011 @ 12:01 PM
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Originally posted by FDNY343

Originally posted by Cassius666
Is this anything else than a rant? The truth movement started with the people who were there. Why dont you go and tell them firefightersfortruth, aka them are all wrong?


Firefighters for 911 Truth has not ONE single firefighter from FDNY that was there that day on their petition. I wonder why that is?

Not to mention that the "truth" movement originally was started by family members to find out why this happened. Their questions have been answered.

The CTs have overrun the group and perverted it.

The Family Steering Committee was what they were called.

BTW, the vast majority of them, don't like you types.


Do you just throw any random thoughts into posts and state them as facts? Do you even do any reading'research before making such false statements?

The Family Steering Committee stopped updating its website in 2005. Here's an exerpt from the 'Final Statement of the Family Steering Committee' on that site.



Our 12 member group officially became The Family Steering Committee in 2002, when the 9/11 Commission was created after our yearlong campaign for its formation. Our ultimate goal was to identify and subsequently correct those circumstances that contributed to the failure of our government to protect us and our loved ones.

Our 12 member group officially became The Family Steering Committee in 2002, when the 9/11 Commission was created after our yearlong campaign for its formation. Our ultimate goal was to identify and subsequently correct those circumstances that contributed to the failure of our government to protect us and our loved ones.

The FSC monitored the Commission's work to the best of our ability, making every effort to ensure that it fulfilled its mandate. At times we found it necessary to demand that they revise their procedures to better achieve an in-depth, substantive, and independent inquiry. We also worked with the Commission to obtain additional funding, access to witnesses and documents, and an extension to enable the Commission to complete its mandate.

When the Commission concluded its investigation, it issued a report containing 41 recommendations for improving our nation's security. The report did not answer all of our questions, but its in-depth analysis of intelligence, foreign policy, security and other failures and subsequent recommendations for improvement were reforms we could endorse. The FSC then focused our efforts on ensuring that those recommendations would be implemented. Congress responded by holding hearings and drafting legislation. After a rigorous battle, a bill incorporating many of the 9/11 Commission recommendations passed both Houses of Congress and was signed into law on December 17, 2004.

After three years of work toward making America more secure, the FSC is transitioning in order to address issues such as the release of the still embargoed 9/11 CIA and FAA reports; terrorist financing; immigration reform; the remaining recommendations of the 9/11 Commission; and other issues that continue to emerge. Although the FSC as a group will no longer exist, many of us will continue to work individually and through other 9/11 related groups for these causes.


So - they clear state that all their questions have NOT been answered and that they will continue to work 'THROUGH OTHER 9/11 RELATED GROUPS.

Family members have funded TV ads about WTC Building, some are producing videos and constantly raising questions and issues, for example:

January 2011:

9/11 Family Members Demand Answers from the 9/11 Commission: The Censored Testimony of FBI's Behrooz

Snippet from article:

"The Witnessed & Documented "Kamikaze Pilots" Case

In a public statement issued today (see below), members of the 9/11 Family Steering Committee demanded a prompt response from the former Chairman and Executive Director of the 9/11 Commission regarding Former FBI Language Specialist Behrooz Sarshar's censored testimony to the Commission. The press release was prompted by recently released documents related to the interviews conducted by the 9/11 Commission published at Cryptome.org, in particular the "Memorandum for the Record" containing the Commission's interview with Mr. Sarshar. The memorandum, after establishing Mr. Sarshar's credibility and vaguely referring to his documented and witnessed testimony regarding specific tip(s) provided to the FBI in April and June 2001 regarding planned imminent "Kamikaze Pilots" attacks targeting major cities in the United States, leaves out the entire testimony. This testimony was also entirely left out of the Commission's final report released in July 2004.

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www.911truth.org...
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posted on May, 16 2011 @ 12:04 PM
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Originally posted by Tecumte
Well Dave let's think this through though, when a population is fed an absolutely unbelievable 'official' story line with enough holes to sink a battleship they are going to have to try and fill in those holes as best as they can. We have a sold out Mockingbird press media as well that is owned and of no use, so what else can people really do but to try and find 'truth' amongst themselves even if THEY cannot connect the dots 100% of the time.


You're making all this "enough holes to sink a battleship" bit up entirely on your own and we both know it. On top of the irrefutable aforementioned "Islamic fundamentalists have hijacked aircraft, attacked innocent civilians, etc", it's likewise irrefutable that four planes were hijacked, it's likewise irrefutable that two of them hit the towers and a third hit the Pentagon, it's likewise irrefutable there were massive fires in the towers and in WTC 7, and it's likewise irrefutable that the towers started collapsing at the exact point where the plane hit them.

We point out all the evidence that supports all this and all on your own you conspiracy people make up silly nonsense on how everyone is a secret gov't disinformation agents, the towers were destroyed by energy weapons from outer space, how the planes were holograms, etc. Heck, half of you think "do the orders still stand" really means "stand down order". This isn't trying to find the truth on anything. This is coming up with excuses for why you shouldn't have to abandon what you want to believe is true.

Sheesh, the entire Muslim world is so fanatic that they'll even riot over cartoons of Mohammed in Danish newspapers. How can this bunch *not* have their fingerprints all over the 9/11 attack?


We can pretty well see what DIDN'T happen, *TRUTHERS* IMO by and large have a much better grasp of what did happen and why than any amount of garbage spewing out from 'official' sources even if they are not all 100% on the same page.


That's the problem right there- NONE of you are on the same page. Even if a few of you happen to agree with each other that the towers were brought down by controlled demolitions, this person will think it was the gov't that did it, that person will think it's the Jews who did it, and yet another person will think it was staged by a secret cult of Satan worshipping numerologists. When some lunatic like Alex Jones thinks the gov't is going around slipping mind control chemiclas to people to make them gay, how would he *not* instinctively hallucinate the gov't was behind the attack? You conspiracy people are seeing everything according to your own personal abject paranoias whether you want to admit it or not.

I will not dignify your outrageous and disgusting comparison of Native Americans to Islamic fundamentalists with a response.



posted on May, 16 2011 @ 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by wcitizen
So, are you going to call this man a conspiracy nut/truther too?


If that guy is being interviewed by Alex Jones, then yes, he is by defintion a conspiracy nut regardless of his credentials. Jesse Ventura is a former governor of Minnesota and Alex Jones also interviewed Ventura on how the towers were destroyed by energy weapons from outer space. I have no reservations on calling Ventura a conspiracy nut despite his credentials and I suspect that neither do you.

What part of "these damned fool conspiracy web sites are feeding you paranoid drivel" am I not explaining clearly enough? Alex Jones is a conspiracy nut and his whole shtick is to seek out other conspiracy nuts to put on the air. I don't know how else I can articulate it.
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posted on May, 16 2011 @ 02:17 PM
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Never mind FDNY. He just throws stuff out there hoping that people will bite without checking on it.
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posted on May, 16 2011 @ 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by GoodOlDave

Originally posted by wcitizen
So, are you going to call this man a conspiracy nut/truther too?


"these damned fool conspiracy web sites are feeding you paranoid drivel"
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if i had a pound for every time you typed this pathetic sentence id be living on my own island living the high life. Do you ever get bored of typing the same non sense? Your like a cracked record. Let us believe what we want what do you care?



posted on May, 16 2011 @ 02:47 PM
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What part of "These damn fool government agencies lie over and over." do you not understand?


Keep it up man, saying the same little catch line over and over might just work on some weakminded people. It worked out well for that obama jerk didn't it...
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posted on May, 16 2011 @ 04:11 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
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What part of "These damn fool government agencies lie over and over." do you not understand?


Keep it up man, saying the same little catch line over and over might just work on some weakminded people. It worked out well for that obama jerk didn't it...
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Oldschool people like him apparently prefer the conspiracy theories fed through the idiot tube.



posted on May, 16 2011 @ 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by GoodOlDave
That's the problem right there- NONE of you are on the same page. Even if a few of you happen to agree with each other that the towers were brought down by controlled demolitions, this person will think it was the gov't that did it, that person will think it's the Jews who did it, and yet another person will think it was staged by a secret cult of Satan worshipping numerologists. When some lunatic like Alex Jones thinks the gov't is going around slipping mind control chemiclas to people to make them gay, how would he *not* instinctively hallucinate the gov't was behind the attack? You conspiracy people are seeing everything according to your own personal abject paranoias whether you want to admit it or not.


What's your 'win' here, Dave? Why do you spend so much time talking to a group of people you clearly have no respect for? Do you really see yourself as an educator? Maybe you're hoping to be convinced they are right?

People like you ridiculed just about everybody who ever argued the the Strategy of Tension was NATO false flag operation, or that the Gulf of Tonkin incident never happened. You also talk about "the gov't... slipping mind control chemiclas to people" as if MK ULTRA never happened. But, of course, it did happen, and those people were right about these and other conspiracy theories. They may not have known at the time exactly what did happen, but they believed they knew what didn't. I think the same is true where 911 is concerned. It is, therefore, inevitable that you will get various and, sometimes, conflicting ideas put forward to plug the perceived gaps, but this doesn't mean that their fundamental belief - that the official account is untrue or incomplete - is wrong.

For what it's worth, the idea that 911 was carried out either with the active help of the US authorities, or else with their knowledge, is really not so hard to accept. It wouldn't be the first time, would it?

And, unfortunately, it sure won't be the last.
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posted on May, 16 2011 @ 08:27 PM
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Originally posted by GoodOlDave


If that guy is being interviewed by Alex Jones, then yes, he is by defintion a conspiracy nut regardless of his credentials. Jesse Ventura is a former governor of Minnesota and Alex Jones also interviewed Ventura on how the towers were destroyed by energy weapons from outer space. I have no reservations on calling Ventura a conspiracy nut despite his credentials and I suspect that neither do you.

What part of "these damned fool conspiracy web sites are feeding you paranoid drivel" am I not explaining clearly enough? Alex Jones is a conspiracy nut and his whole shtick is to seek out other conspiracy nuts to put on the air. I don't know how else I can articulate it.
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I can't even say 'nice try' Dave. This one comes straight from the Beginners' Guide to Disinformation Tactics'.
When you can find no other way, discredit by making a loose association with someone else who is easier to discredit. This particular strategy is called {surprise, surprise} 'discredit by association' It's a known logical fallacy, and has absolutely no substance whatsoever as an argument.

Tsk, tsk, Dave, you're really scraping the barrel. Perhaps you should ask them to give you a stint on debunking the UFO threads for a while.
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posted on May, 16 2011 @ 08:32 PM
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Hear that, Dave? They really think you are a disinfo agent.

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posted on May, 16 2011 @ 08:41 PM
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How did the brits do it? When they wanted to go to war to china so they could sell more drugs, they just went to war to china to sell more drugs and got hong kong out of it too. No cover story, no anything they just said, we are gonna have a war for drugs yo.


Originally posted by Judge_Holden
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Hear that, Dave? They really think you are a disinfo agent.

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Some people think that, but most "disinfo agents" turn out to be guys who are here to convince themselves above everybody else, thats why they are involved in the threads which they percieve as threatening their believes the most.
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posted on May, 16 2011 @ 08:51 PM
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Dave, I know it's tough to come to grips with the truth that 9-11 had assistance from traitors inside the walls of your own government, I understand how you likely feel disillusioned being betrayed like that, I don't blame you, it's quite natural. But the sooner you come to grips with it, the better, tell you what, go out and get yourself a 9-11 was an inside job bumber sticker, place it on your vehicle, and help spread the truth.



posted on May, 16 2011 @ 09:02 PM
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.....discredit by making a loose association with someone else who is easier to discredit.


No wait. Loose association? This guy knowingly and openly when on this guy's radio show and pretty much held hands with him, I wouldn't classify that as a "loose association". Didn't your mother ever tell you that you're judged by the company you keep? A loose association would be saying that Ted Bundy was a Republican and Dwight Eisenhower was a Republican and therefore Ike is a serial killer.



posted on May, 16 2011 @ 09:54 PM
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Well, in that case then you really need to stop referring to yourselves as "truthers". What you really are, are "guessers", and you guessers are making more guesses about what supposedly really happened on 9/11 than there are grains of sand on the beach. How can we believe you when you can't even agree among yourselves on what the "secret conspiracy" even is?


Dave you are still holding on to your belief in the OS. So how could you realise the truth is anyones guess.
If you buy the OS ? You might just as well pick anyone of the guesses and believe that. The OS isn't that much better.


They don't have to think very hard to fool people that's for sure.
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posted on May, 17 2011 @ 02:12 AM
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Originally posted by Cassius666
How did the brits do it?


With respect, this has nothing to do with either the events of 911, nor the point I was making to Dave.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 06:57 AM
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Originally posted by hooper
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.....discredit by making a loose association with someone else who is easier to discredit.


No wait. Loose association? This guy knowingly and openly when on this guy's radio show and pretty much held hands with him, I wouldn't classify that as a "loose association". Didn't your mother ever tell you that you're judged by the company you keep? A loose association would be saying that Ted Bundy was a Republican and Dwight Eisenhower was a Republican and therefore Ike is a serial killer.



Yes, loose association. He was interviewed by Alex Jones. So the logic is that because you don't rate Alex Jones, you therefore discredit the interviewee and what he says simply because you don't rate AJ.

It's a fallacious logic, it's a totally baseless argument.

I don't rate FOX, CNN, MNBC, etc. I consider them traitors of the American people. So on the basis of your fallacious logic, I should rubbish ANYONE AND EVERYONE who is EVER interviewed by them, even if, the person interviewed is actually telling the truth.

Your point is rubbish.

Now, none of you have put forward one single valid argument against what the interviewee actually said.



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posted on May, 17 2011 @ 07:23 AM
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Obama was interviewed by oprah, I hate that woman's stupid talk show, therefor obama's BC is clearly a fake!


Why didn't I think of that sound logic before



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 07:30 AM
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I don't think it is reasonable to equate being interviewed on a major news channel, however much you think they have a slant , with being interviewed on the Alex Jones show. The latter being notorious as a conspiracy lunatic; although I do wonder how much he actually believes.

So far as what Pieczenik said, he says he got it from an unknown prominent general. That is total bunk unless we are told who the general is, that the general corroborates it , and the general was in a position to know.





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