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When did you start/stop believing in chemtrails

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posted on May, 17 2011 @ 10:36 PM
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Originally posted by longwinter

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
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What does that mean??


In my country we cannot chat about court evidence before the case take place..bla bla


But I'm sure you can before a case exists




posted on May, 17 2011 @ 10:37 PM
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Originally posted by unityemissions
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....and it's very easy for us to see how biased and "boxed" your understandings are.



If any of us are biased or "boxed" for basing our claims on direct experience backed by scientific data, then indeed we are.




posted on May, 17 2011 @ 10:39 PM
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No...I time that *starting* point from round about the first lesson. SO, no......not nearly 40 at the major I worked for...nearly 23, there.

Typed B737, B757/767 and DC-9. Lots of right seat B727, A-300, and DC-10. Previous, lowlife commuters, (several, some failed out form under me)....CFI/ME/I before, of course.... scraping by to hit "the big leagues" Ah, naivete'.....

What's your excuse??






edit on Tue 17 May 2011 by weedwhacker because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 10:40 PM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by unityemissions
 


"Biased"?


Yes.


Because I have science, and reason on my side, instead of idiotic claims that are fed to gullible, ill-informed people by con artists who wish to perpetuate the scam, to hoax people for their own profit and self promotion??


No. Because you are or were a pilot.

Also, I'm not falling for your strawman. Go find a weaker mind to mess with.


WoW!!

Delusions come in all shapes, but one size fits many.....apparently.


Agreed.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 10:42 PM
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Show us the goods, then!!


Be the first "believer" to come up with it....everyone here is waiting to see it. Why haven't any of the "chem"-trail advocates done so, yet?



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 10:44 PM
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Originally posted by Uncinus
ATS Members, what's your story?

  1. When (what year)did you first hear of chemtrails, and what was your initial impression?
  2. Did you notice persistent trails before or after you heard of chemtrails?
  3. Did your belief ever change? When was that?
  4. What happened after the change? Did you drop it, or switch sides in the discussion?



  1. I first heard of chemtrails in 2004 and I wasn't impressed or believed in chemtrails.
  2. I didn't notice persistent trail before I heard of chemtrails.
  3. My belief changed after I started noticing more chemtrails.
  4. I believe in chemtrails and will continue to believe academia and scientists, however.


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My location is somewhere off the west coast.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 10:45 PM
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You claim I'm a believer....

How are you any different?!

You have NEVER shown ANYTHING that disproves what's taking place.

I DARE YOU to prove otherwise.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 10:48 PM
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AND, boom goes the dynamite, yet again!

The irrational demand to "prove a negative".....what is this called, as a failed form of *debate*??

"Argument From Incredulity"? I am not fully spooled up on all those exact definitions, and their appropriate applications...

I remember another, "Argument From Ignorance"...that applies often as well....maybe not here, this time, but it will...again and again and again.....



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 10:49 PM
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Sounds like a case of confirmation bias, you didn't notice persistent contrails until you heard about them from the "chemtrailers", and I'm sure you can't stop seeing them now.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 10:50 PM
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Originally posted by unityemissions
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You have NEVER shown ANYTHING that disproves what's taking place.

I DARE YOU to prove otherwise.


Yet another chemmie, when faced with his (or her?) inability to provide any evidence ('cos there is none) argues from ignorance

How about this:

I DARE you to NOT argue from ignorance.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 10:50 PM
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Originally posted by pikypiky
  • I believe in chemtrails and will continue to believe academia and scientists, however.


  • You can't do both.



    posted on May, 17 2011 @ 10:51 PM
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    Originally posted by unityemissions
    reply to post by weedwhacker
     


    You claim I'm a believer....

    How are you any different?!

    You have NEVER shown ANYTHING that disproves what's taking place.

    I DARE YOU to prove otherwise.


    Is your caps lock key broken, or are you offended because debunkers are challenging your faith? Time to admit it, you have no evidence, do you?



    posted on May, 17 2011 @ 10:55 PM
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    Originally posted by weedwhacker
    reply to post by unityemissions
     


    AND, boom goes the dynamite, yet again!

    The irrational demand to "prove a negative".....what is this called, as a failed form of *debate*??

    "Argument From Incredulity"? I am not fully spooled up on all those exact definitions, and their appropriate applications...

    I remember another, "Argument From Ignorance"...that applies often as well....maybe not here, this time, but it will...again and again and again.....


    Need anybody say anymore....



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    posted on May, 17 2011 @ 11:31 PM
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    Originally posted by unityemissions
    reply to post by weedwhacker
     


    You claim I'm a believer....

    How are you any different?!

    You have NEVER shown ANYTHING that disproves what's taking place.

    I DARE YOU to prove otherwise.


    What is taking place are perfectly normal contrails, if you are telling me they are something else then you will need to provide me with the evidence.

    Contrails have been studied for years and years and the different types of contrails are well known. Here's a site dedicated to the study of contrails.. science-edu.larc.nasa.gov...

    Now I don't know about you, but logic tells me the scientists who actually study the phenonenom might know a bit more about the subject than a few youtube videos.



    posted on May, 18 2011 @ 01:04 PM
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    Originally posted by rigel4
    reply to post by adeclerk
     


    I don't think most Chemies use responsibility in the
    same context as most of us do.

    The answer to my question above may surprise even the most
    stubborn Chemie.

    You see, I used European airlines on purpose to prove a point to them............

    Why would the American government allow foreign aircraft to spray
    hazardous unknown material over US soil.

    So now i have given you the question , can I now have the answer please.



    Still waiting on an answer from any of the chemies.
    Your silence is proving me completely right.

    You have no evidence and can't argue against my example.



    posted on May, 18 2011 @ 01:09 PM
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    Originally posted by rigel4

    Still waiting on an answer from any of the chemies.
    Your silence is proving me completely right.

    You have no evidence and can't argue against my example.

    This is usually the part where they come in and ask the debunkers to prove a negative, rather than answer the question.



    posted on May, 18 2011 @ 01:39 PM
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    If you ask me the mods should make them a new forum!!
    One which clearly states that Chemtrails nothing more than a state of
    mind (a belief). There is certainly no evidence to suggest otherwise.

    /Thread



    posted on May, 18 2011 @ 04:46 PM
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    Originally posted by weedwhacker
    Again....what "evidence"??

    There simply isn't any.....what the "chemmies" called "evidence" and tried to claim as "proof" was laughably absurd, to people experienced and knowledgeable about the topic of aviation in particular, and many aspects of physics and science in general.


    You admitted you never considered the possibility it was true...


    Originally posted by weedwhacker
    Never any doubt that it was bogus


    ...so the evidence was already irrelevant to you before declaring it all "laughable absurd".




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