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reply to post by Essan
Well to be honest, they're describing huge big grey animals from Africa with big ears, thin tails, hard rough skin, massive legs, tusks, a 'trumpeting sound' when angered, that live in family units and display a considerable degree of sentience. You think they're cows. But they sound like elephants to me.
Originally posted by SaveTheWolves
reply to post by adeclerk
And those of you who choose not to see the evidence or to change the focus to something else will continue to do so.
Originally posted by SaveTheWolves
reply to post by Essan
Well to be honest, they're describing huge big grey animals from Africa with big ears, thin tails, hard rough skin, massive legs, tusks, a 'trumpeting sound' when angered, that live in family units and display a considerable degree of sentience. You think they're cows. But they sound like elephants to me.
Well they're elephants to me too! If it looks like an elephant, walks like an elephant, and trumpets like an elephant...it's an elephant.
Originally posted by SaveTheWolves
reply to post by adeclerk
Typical reply from you people...insulting the intelligence of other people. That's all you know how to do to keep your agenda afloat. Go ahead, keep your head in the sand if that's what lets you sleep at night.
Originally posted by Uncinus
ATS Members, what's your story?
- When (what year)did you first hear of chemtrails, and what was your initial impression?
- Did you notice persistent trails before or after you heard of chemtrails?
- Did your belief ever change? When was that?
- What happened after the change? Did you drop it, or switch sides in the discussion?
(also, it would be interesting to hear where you were living at the various times, to see if location plays a role at all).
Personally I first heard of chemtrails in early 2007, at the time I though there was not enough evidence to support the theory, and I explained this. Nothing has changed there.
edit on 13-5-2011 by Uncinus because: Made list numeric for easy answersedit on 13-5-2011 by Uncinus because: added "what year"
2. There never was persistent trails, they always faded away as the plane was still near them
Originally posted by Signals
I wish for once a debunker could admit a few facts.
Burning jet fuel produces chemicals...as does burning any type of fuel.
Jet engines have an exhaust, just like the tail pipe on your car. Chemicals come out of that exhaust.
Sometimes, when the conditions are right, a contrail will form out of the jet exhaust.
Contrails contain chemicals from that exhaust.
(it doesn't just disappear into thin air...it comes back down on us one way or another)
Are they killing us? I don't know. I'm sure they affect us in some way.
Is breathing in car exhaust fumes good for us?
If chemtrail debunkers can't understand this, I have no use for them. Might as well be paid shills.
Jet engines have an exhaust, just like the tail pipe on your car. Chemicals come out of that exhaust.
Sometimes, when the conditions are right, a contrail will form out of the jet exhaust.
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by longwinter
Allow me to point this out, and hopefully explain something --- it goes to the core of this false assumption regarding contrails, and persistence:
2. There never was persistent trails, they always faded away as the plane was still near them
Here is how it works: On days and when conditions are such that NO CIRRUS clouds are present, sometimes those short-lived contrails will appear. This, because the temperature/humidity levels are just "on edge", between NO contrails, and PERSISTENT contrails. They form, because of the effects of the engines, and the exhaust heat, but they cannot sustain because they sublimate rather quickly.
Contrast that to days when conditions are ripe for CIRRUS to also form. Contrails then, when formed, will tend to remain...but, you didn't always notice them as contrails initially....because they resemble CIRRUS clouds so perfectly.
Do you understand??