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Your lack of belief does not negate the existance of that car
Originally posted by RealAmericanPatriot
reply to post by awake_and_aware
Let's make this simple. Based on my experience and what I have seen, I believe in God and His Son, Jesus Christ. They are real.
Originally posted by RealAmericanPatriot
reply to post by awake_and_aware
A and A
You have MORE reasons around you to believe in God than you have to believe in my car...
Either try to prove he exists...or try to prove he doesn't... Either way, if you are earnest and honest in your endeavor...you will soon see that, in fact, he DOES exist...
Originally posted by awake_and_aware
reply to post by RealAmericanPatriot
First of all, i'm not a zealot, I'm encouraging discussion and debate - Especially over such a serious matter - Where in some countries children are threatened with hellfire and men and women's sexuality are opressed because of a faith in dogma.
Originally posted by RealAmericanPatriot
reply to post by SaturnFX
It is not up to me to prove that Christ lives or that God is real anymore than it's up to me to prove I have a car and a neighbor named Rod. I cant make you investigate in order to learn that these things are real. Do an honest, unbiased examination if you want to know...
Christ has already improved my life, so I can afford to be wrong in the end. Can you?
If you are right, I have still lived a good and pleasant life in the midst of a lot of truly kind people. Even if heaven wasn't real, I've come out ahead.
But what if I'm right. What if God is real and everything in the Bible is true? Can YOU afford to be wrong?
Maybe it's time to read the Bible and find out what it REALLY says about everything.
If you're counting on MSNBC, an athiest or some twisted TV preacher to tell you what it says, then it's likely you don't actually know very much about it.
If, on the other hand, you are a serious seeker of facts, and not theories or suppositions, get a copy the New International Version of the Bible and find out what it says FIRSTHAND.
THEN you won't have to worry that people are trying to control you through lies or deception. I recommend starting with the Gospel of John.
At least this way, acceptance or rejection of God will be a TRULY informed decision.
Good hunting!
Originally posted by Vicky32
No, he's right, you are a zealot, and getting more than a little bit tiresome...
Your line about sexuality kind of gives it away,
as a good 50% of angry-internet-atheist-campaigners seem to me to have at bottom,
a motive that comes down to a desire for complete sexual freedom!
The obsessive known as Madness is a good example - in one of his millions of threads, he admitted that for him, it's all about not being able to get a divorce!
(He could - he simply wants to be praised for it, which is never going to happen, I gather)
Maybe the atheist cannot find God for the same reason a thief cannot find a policeman.
If, on the other hand, you are a serious seeker of facts, and not theories or suppositions, get a copy the New International Version of the Bible and find out what it says FIRSTHAND. THEN you won't have to worry that people are trying to control you through lies or deception. I recommend starting with the Gospel of John.
Originally posted by RealAmericanPatriot
reply to post by SaturnFX
It is not up to me to prove that Christ lives or that God is real anymore than it's up to me to prove I have a car and a neighbor named Rod.
I cant make you investigate in order to learn that these things are real. Do an honest, unbiased examination if you want to know...
Christ has already improved my life, so I can afford to be wrong in the end. Can you?
If you are right, I have still lived a good and pleasant life in the midst of a lot of truly kind people. Even if heaven wasn't real, I've come out ahead.
But what if I'm right. What if God is real and everything in the Bible is true? Can YOU afford to be wrong?
Maybe it's time to read the Bible and find out what it REALLY says about everything.
If you're counting on MSNBC, an athiest or some twisted TV preacher to tell you what it says, then it's likely you don't actually know very much about it.
If, on the other hand, you are a serious seeker of facts, and not theories or suppositions, get a copy the New International Version of the Bible and find out what it says FIRSTHAND.
THEN you won't have to worry that people are trying to control you through lies or deception. I recommend starting with the Gospel of John.
At least this way, acceptance or rejection of God will be a TRULY informed decision.
Originally posted by RealAmericanPatriot
It might surprise you to know that I am a "science freak". I believe that good science will always prove the existence of the Creator
or at least give us more insight into the Bible or nature of God...
...but Sta-Puft does remind me of a few bulldozing "church-ladies" I have met through the years.
And frankly, religion, in and of itself, is vain. True Christianity isn't a religion...it's a relationship with Christ Jesus...
I'll never understand why anyone would try to convince me I don't have a car*
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
Your line about sexuality kind of gives it away,
Yeah, it's not like Islamic traditions oppress women...or that Christians in the "western" nations are trying to force abstinence only education which is shown to not just fail but to cause more unwanted teen pregnancies than no exposure at all.
You're talking from your posterior and lying at the same time. Good show of multitasking skills.
No, he's right, you are a zealot, and getting more than a little bit tiresome...
Your line about sexuality kind of gives it away, as a good 50% of angry-internet-atheist-campaigners seem to me to have at bottom, a motive that comes down to a desire for complete sexual freedom!
The obsessive known as Madness is a good example - in one of his millions of threads, he admitted that for him, it's all about not being able to get a divorce!
(He could - he simply wants to be praised for it, which is never going to happen, I gather)