It Was Right In Front of Our Eyes

Suns hotter, and diff spectrum,, I knew something was goin on,,Though tit was just old age... and could not take the heat any more.,. glad to read its not just me and the wife..

Great thread

I find this very interesting as I work as a cinematographer.
Some of the newer cameras I use record Red/Green/Blue frequencies in pretty detailed charts.
I could do some tests in daylight if you want.

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That would be fantastic! I live in cincinnati and have seasonal depression. Even on the darkest, cloudiest mornings, im forced to wear sunglasses or I cant even drive to school because the light coming through the clouds is so bright it hurts my face neck and back of my head. Wasn't sure if something happened to me or the sun, only had this problem the last year or so. :/ curious indeed.

Where I'm located we've been having some extremely strange migration, and weather patterns for the past couple of years.
This year was the first year in recent memory where the snow fell like it used to. Unfortunately it was the worst Winter I've ever experienced.
I don't see any changes in the sun personally, but it feels like the Planet is changing.

Occam's Razor cuts this down.

Statement: Sun is a different color than it was when I was young.

Possible causes:

1. Sun changed color.

2. The sensory organs of humans degrade. Tastebuds die. Eyesight gets weaker. Ears lose sensitivity.

*looks at the "data" in the OP*

I pick number 2.

Originally posted by Furbs
Occam's Razor cuts this down.

Statement: Sun is a different color than it was when I was young.

Possible causes:

1. Sun changed color.

2. The sensory organs of humans degrade. Tastebuds die. Eyesight gets weaker. Ears lose sensitivity.

*looks at the "data" in the OP*

I pick number 2.

edit on 10-5-2011 by Furbs because: (no reason given)

Are you sure that is Occam's razor?

1. One thing changes

2. Many things, almost an infinite number of things, from tastebuds to eye sight to internal organs change.

Which is more simple a la occam's razo?

This was an amazing thread thanks for putting it together I really enjoyed reading through it. There has no doubt been many changes over the past few years to the world and our view of it. With all this talk about ascension and frequencies it got me thinking. Does anyone feel that the sunlight or light in general has the power to alter DNA? I only ask because of reading this..just a thought let me know what you guys think

"Russian scientist Dr. Peter Gariaev discovered that DNA absorbs light photons in its surrounding area, and causes the photons to spiral through the molecule itself. This spiraling effect will continue in the same spot for up to 30 days after the DNA is physically removed from that spot -- and this effect is called the 'DNA Phantom'. Bariaev also shined a gentle laser beam through a developing salamander embryo and redirected it into a developing frog embryo. This caused the frog embryo's DNA to completely re-code itself with the instructions to build a healthy adult salamander (!), even though the two embryos were in hermetically sealed containers and only the light was allowed to pass through"

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The life boat crew my mum works for used to get issued Cat. 3 glasses for summer but now get 4s and the sun screen has gone from a spf 10 to a 20....

Again the sun's magnetic field is weak, and The solar wind is flagging.

...measurements by the Ulysses spacecraft show that solar wind pressure is at a 50-year low," he continues, "so the magnetic bubble that protects the solar system is not being inflated as much as usual." A smaller bubble gives cosmic rays a shorter-shot into the solar system. Once a cosmic ray enters the solar system, it must "swim upstream" against the solar wind. Solar wind speeds have dropped to very low levels in 2008 and 2009, making it easier than usual for a cosmic ray to proceed... science.nasa.gov...

The wavelengths that cause sunburn:

Photosensitivity by Bruce Miller, MD

...Transformation of H to He in sun’s interior liberates vast amounts of energy which reaches the earth’s surface in the form of electromagnetic radiation (EMR) : x-rays, cosmic rays, electric waves, radio waves, infrared, visible light, and ultraviolet radiation (UVR). ...


...UVA vs. UVB-what’s the difference and why it’s important:

UVR includes wavelengths of EMR between 297-400 nm. Convention divides this spectrum into UVB = 297-320 and UVA = 320-400. UVA may be further divided into UVA II = 320-340 and UVA I = 340-400. UVB is also known as the “sunburn spectrum” and is the prime factor in photo aging and photocarcinogenesis. UVA also contributes to photo trauma but is the spectrum primarily responsible
for photosensitivity reactions because of its deeper penetration into the skin.

UVB only penetrates into the epidermis and the papillary (uppermost) dermis and is blocked by window glass. UVA penetrates into the reticular (deep) dermis and passes through window glass unchanged. Unlike UVB these rays don’t vary in intensity with the time of day or the season. Compared to UVB, 100 times as many reach the surface of the earth....

www.scuba-doc.com...

Dr. Judith Curry found that the spectrum of the sun had actually shifted towards the high energy side of the spectrum. In other words the sun is putting out more UVB and less red (infrared) She has been having a battle royal with Dr.Leif Svalgaard over the subject.

Here is a wee bit of it:

...The analysis of satellite data suggests a solar constant of 1366 W mÀ2 with a
measurement uncertainty of 73 W mÀ2. Of the radiant
energy emitted from the Sun, approximately 50% lies in
the infrared region (40.7 mm), about 40% in the visible
region (0.4–0.7 mm), and about 10% in the UV region
(o0.4 mm).
The solar constant is not in fact perfectly constant,
but varies in relation to the solar activities
....

Some indirect evidence indicates that the changes in solar constant related to sunspot activity have been significantly larger over the past several centuries. Further more solar variability is much larger (in relative terms) in the UV region....

curry.eas.gatech.edu...

....It is known that the solar flux F varies with the 11 yr solar activity cycle, but considerably depending on wavelength; greater variations occur a wavelengths less than 200nm.... resources.metapress.com...

climate.gsfc.nasa.gov...
Temperature responses to spectral solar variability on decadal time scales
Robert F. Cahalan,1 Guoyong Wen,1,2 Jerald W. Harder,3 and Peter Pilewskie3

Harder et al. show that on multi‐year scales the SIM observed SSI of VIS and NIR bands varies out‐of‐phase with variations in the UV and TSI.[ In addition, the magnitude of decrease in UV band energy at 200–400 nm during the declining phase of solar cycle 23 is nearly 10 times as large as that for the reconstructed UV irradiance. In the VIS (400–691 nm), the SIM observed SSI changes out‐ of‐phase with variations of TSI and reconstructed SSI. The magnitude of the increase of observed visible SSI is more than twice as large as the magnitude of the decrease of reconstructed SSI in the same spectral band. Similar out‐of‐ phase variation with large amplitude is also evident for observed SSI in NIR band at 972–2423 nm [see Harder et al., 2009].


[8] SORCE SIM observations span about 1 =2 of a solar 11‐year cycle so far, but already these observations suggest that it is time for a re‐examination of the impact of solar variation on climate.

Here we examine the climate response to two scenarios of solar forcing. Scenario I is in‐phase SSI variation based on the reconstructed SSI [Lean, 2000]. Scenario II is out‐of‐phase SSI variation based on the SIM observations [Harder et al., 2009]. For simplicity we use simple sinusoids to describe successive 11‐year solar variations for both in‐phase and out‐of‐phase scenarios with amplitudes and phases given by Harder et al. [2009]. For both scenarios the amplitude of SSI are scaled to have 11‐year TSI peak‐to‐peak variations of 1.2 W/m2 (see identical black curves in top panels in Figure 1a and 1b). We also note that SIM covers the spectral range up to 2423 nm. SSI variations beyond SIM’s wavelength upper limit are computed from the difference between the variation in TSI and SIM’s observed SSI variations.


The Forthcoming Grand Minimum of Solar Activity
Abstract
We summarize recent findings about periodicities in the solar tachocline and their physical interpretation. These lead us to conclude that solar variability is presently entering into a long Grand Minimum, this being an episode of very low solar activity, not shorter than a century. A consequence is an improvement of our earlier forecast of the strength at maximum of the present Schwabe cycle (#24). The maximum will be late (2013.5), with a sunspot number as low as 55.
journalofcosmology.com...

Classifying UV wavelengths

The following sub-classifications are applied
● UVA (315–400 nm) is also known as “black light.” These wavelengths are present in sunlight and cause the skin to tan, however, too much exposure destroys both vitamin A and the collagen fibres in organic tissue.

● UVB (280–315 nm) causes sunburn and over exposure can severely damage the eyes and skin, as well as result in a variety of melanomas.

● UVC (200–280 nm) is far more energetic and dangerous than UVB. UVC is sometimes referred to as germicidal UV as it is deadly to most forms of life, but luckily these wavelengths are completely absorbed in the Earth’s ozone layer. Light in this range is useful for a number of scientific measurements.

● VUV stands for vacuum ultraviolet and spans from 200 down to 10 nm. These wavelengths are absorbed by oxygen in the Earth’s atmosphere so measurements of VUV are usually made in vacuum conditions.
images.iop.org...

Every year I do feel the UV Rays from the sun. I am sensitive to the UV and I do get sunburned easly now than
before. I live in the praries (Central Canada) and the sun is much worse here. In third week of April I wentto play a round of golf at 1:30 pm and the temperature was 17 degrees celcius with breezy wind and the weather was nice, but I could believe that in April I could feel the sun rays on my skin and the UV was moderate. Lucky
I had some sunscreen on . I think is due to depletion of the ozone layer in the praries.
When I went on vacation in Florida in March, I was really surprised that I didn't feel the rays as much as back home The sun probably is reducing the ozone layer and to further enhance the speed, air pollution also
induces the reduction of the ozone. Vitamin D helps to reduce symptoms that the sun causes.

Originally posted by Shamatt

Originally posted by Wheelindiehl
reply to post by Ev0lveUp

 

I know the lack of Vitamin D causes weight gain, which I've noticed not only with myself but with others around me, but is the Vitamin D carried in the Red light ban?

HA HA HA HA HA HA

Vitamin D carried in light - that is brilliant! My favourite quote of the day that!

Vitamin D is created in the eyes and skin by the action of sunlight.

Lack of vitamin D causes rickets, not weight gain.

I believe that was a typo, similar to "Red light ban" and was intended to say vitamin McD. I have however noticed the weight gain phenomenon. I'm not saying my wife is fat. But if I had to pick five of the fattest people I could think of, she would be three of them. If Osama had used my wife instead he would still be alive, they would have never spotted him hiding behind her.

First off, Nasa says there will be an increase of CME’s from now through 2012. What that means in an increase in solar radiation. Accompany that with a weakening and possibly collapsing magnetosphere and we are talking about a lot of light energy. Can you feel it? The Sun feels intense to me. For the first time in my life I have purchased a super expensive, all mineral make-up, mostly zinc oxide, sunscreen. I don’t believe in the chemical cancer causing sunscreens, and have never really resorted to using one, but at the moment, something was needed to protect mine and my children’s skin. Secondly, the scientific world has also just announced that our sun is emittting a particle that is actually mutating matter- the impossible has happened; “Something being emitted from the sun is interacting with matter in strange and unknown ways with the startling potential to dramatically change the nature of the very Earth itself.” dublinmick.wordpress.com... “The mutation may go so far as to change the underlying reality of the quantum universe—and by extrapolation-the nature of life, the principles of physics, perhaps even the uniform flow of time.” Quoted from Above Top Secret

Article link: mayasoma.wordpress.com...

Originally posted by FOXMULDER147
or maybe you've read so many conspiracies over the years you're starting to see/feel things that aren't there...?

NOPE, I started complaining about the changing sun before I ever used the internet, and before I even knew what a conspiracy theory was...

I was in ignorant bliss until only about 7 years ago

One other thing, it may be ozone depletion, more UV is getting through, which would explain skin sensitivity issues, this is already happening in the southern hemisphere close to Antarctica.

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I think is due to depletion of the ozone layer....

No That is incorrect. The Ozone layer is recovering.

.."We found a global slightly positive trend of ozone increase of almost 1% per decade in the total ozone from the last 14 years: a result that was confirmed by comparisons with ground-based measurements," said Diego G. Loyola R. who worked on the project with colleagues from the German Aerospace Center (DLR). www.esa.int...

reply to post by samwiseold


I will let you know what i figure out with the
RGB tests when I figure out how to do them.

I've definitely noticed the change in color (from yellow-white to white) and the intensity of the light. Before I would be able to look at the sun for a second or so and see the round shape, now I can barely look a millisecond before turning away and it quite hard to discern any shape. My brother called me last week and said that the sun looked strange, which I found weird because he's a business as usual type of person.

Yes it was

Originally posted by filosophia

Originally posted by Furbs
Occam's Razor cuts this down.

Statement: Sun is a different color than it was when I was young.

Possible causes:

1. Sun changed color.

2. The sensory organs of humans degrade. Tastebuds die. Eyesight gets weaker. Ears lose sensitivity.

*looks at the "data" in the OP*

I pick number 2.

edit on 10-5-2011 by Furbs because: (no reason given)

Are you sure that is Occam's razor?

1. One thing changes

2. Many things, almost an infinite number of things, from tastebuds to eye sight to internal organs change.

Which is more simple a la occam's razo?

edit on 10-5-2011 by filosophia because: (no reason given)

Allow me to help you understand.

For this to actually happen to the sun, an innumerable amount of tiny atomic changes would have to become perceptible to the human eye. For that to happen in such a cosmically short time would be.. unlikely to the point of.. not happening.

When you stack that up against every person on the planet going through the same biologically predictable processes (aka aging) you understand that Occam's razor makes it FAR more likely that the sun isn't making any sustainable changes in any way perceptible to the human eye.

It is the way our eyes SEE the sun that changes.

Or is this a conspiracy that has also made the Raisin Bran from 1958 taste better than the stuff I bought the other day and the kids that play their music too loud!

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Why you prefer to trust some magic bs instead of hard and proven science? Astounding level of ignorance in an age of science...

Actually it is more like the age of IGNORANCE.

I recently saw a comment on the subject from a college Prof. He said his students could not even explain why the seasons occur!!!!! SHEESH

No teacher, but every textbook, left behind

More generally, the quality of the twelve most popular science textbooks for middle-schoolers is so low, Hubisz concluded, that none had an acceptable level of accuracy....

An exasperated William Bennetta explained why so many teachers accept inferior textbooks from these publishers, "[T]he major schoolbook companies… have long recognized that the teacher corps in America includes some desperate dumbbells, and the companies have learned to produce books that the dumbbells will like....

We have learned this, if nothing else, from the selective prosecution of Mr. Gossai: con a few people, and it's a felony; con millions, and it's educating the youth of America."

...I am reminded of this by an August 9 dispatch from the AP's Jennifer Coleman about a chain of private schools whose curriculum is so "riddled with errors" that outraged judges and attorneys general in four states have acted to close them down....

...one textbook can be, as the American School Board Journal noted, well over 1000 pages long, with "… splashy illustrations, large type, short sidebars, and funky headlines, all set off by expanses of white space." The same article summed them up as "20-pound packages of glitz....

Size does make a difference, and thousand-page textbooks are to be expected when one recalls what economy of scale means to a publisher: money. Multiply this by millions of textbooks, and it is a marvel there are still trees left standing in North America.

How about self-policing by the education, uh, professionals who select textbooks for public schools? (By the way, they use the word adopt instead of buy, presumably because of the latter's implication of tawdry commercialism.) These professionals have their own organization: NASTA, which stands for, one of its web pages tells us, National Association of School Textbook Administrattors [sic]. Apparently the "administrattors" carried over to their web site the skills they had finely honed in reviewing textbooks for half-billion dollar adoptions. NASTA's level of concern over textbook errors is almost below sea level...

Unfortunately, textbooks are crucial to learning. As the American School Board Journal reports, "… between 80 and 90 percent of classroom and homework assignments are textbook-driven…

...Alistair B. Fraser, a professor of meteorology who runs web sites exposing bad science in textbooks, concluded bleakly, "Apparently, most teachers believe everything they teach." To which I add, why not? Cornell professor Donald Hayes, quoted in the Grandfather Education Report, reported on results of sampling 788 textbooks used between 1860 and 1992: "Honors high school texts are no more difficult than an eighth grade reader was before World War II." (And in an essay written over half a century ago Randall Jarrell complained that 1930's textbooks were much easier than the ones from the 19th century!) So by now our teachers, and their teachers, and their teachers, have been dragged through the same swamp of bad textbooks...

..a modest beginning is possible without razing hundreds of schools of education: if we want, say, a teacher who is prepared to present more challenging material to 8th grade students, one is already available down the hall, teaching the 9th or 10th grade. As for those in the 11th and 12th grades, this nation has a surplus of under-employed college graduates. Better yet, most of them do not have degrees in education....

The Shadow Scholar The man who writes your students' papers tells his story

I've written roughly 5,000 pages of scholarly literature...

I've written toward a master's degree in cognitive psychology, a Ph.D. in sociology, and a handful of postgraduate credits in international diplomacy. I've worked on bachelor's degrees in hospitality, business administration, and accounting. I've written for courses in history, cinema, labor relations, pharmacology, theology, sports management, maritime security, airline services, sustainability, municipal budgeting, marketing, philosophy, ethics, Eastern religion, postmodern architecture, anthropology, literature, and public administration. I've attended three dozen online universities. I've completed 12 graduate theses of 50 pages or more. All for someone else.

You've never heard of me, but there's a good chance that you've read some of my work. I'm a hired gun, a doctor of everything, an academic mercenary. My customers are your students. I promise you that. Somebody in your classroom uses a service that you can't detect, that you can't defend against, that you may not even know exists....

The believers in this post are not trying, in the slightest, to force their opinions down anyone else's throats.....they are merely making Their own observations and conclusions.
yet some non-believers have jumped all over this thread and are trying to force everyone to dismiss this whole notion of the Sun changing as bupkis.

As I see it, its more of a poll.....Do you think the Sun has changed, or do you not.

So why are there some here that are SO adamant about shutting this thoughtful discussion down??

Hehe...are we, getting close to the mark?......or should I say, Red Hot ? (mind the pun)


From what I have learned so far on ATS, the closer one gets to a truth, the more flak that is received.
Truth.