Ron Paul A Distaster For The USA. Hes Always Wrong. Why Is There So Much Love For Him ? Wrong Paul

here's some other wellknown opinions for ya' "gorgi":

Quotes On Banking and the Federal Reserve System FRAUD

"The entire taxing and monetary systems are hereby placed under the U.C.C. (Uniform Commercial Code)." -- The Federal Tax Lien Act of 1966

"The few who understand the system, will either be so interested from it's profits or so dependant on it's favors, that there will be no opposition from that class." -- Rothschild Brothers of London, 1863

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws."-- Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild

"Most Americans have no real understanding of the operation of the international money lenders. The accounts of the Federal Reserve System have never been audited. It operates outside the control of Congress and manipulates the credit of the United States." -- Sen. Barry Goldwater (Rep. AZ)

"Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce." -- James A. Garfield, President of the United States

"Banks lend by creating credit. (ledger-entry credit, monetized debt) They create the means of payment out of nothing." -- Ralph M. Hawtrey, Secretary of the British Treasury

"To expose a 15 Trillion dollar ripoff of the American people by the stockholders of the 1000 largest corporations over the last 100 years will be a tall order of business." -- Buckminster Fuller

"Every Congressman, every Senator knows precisely what causes inflation...but can't, [won't] support the drastic reforms to stop it [repeal of the Federal Reserve Act] because it could cost him his job." -- Robert A. Heinlein, Expanded Universe

"It is well that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." -- Henry Ford

"The regional Federal Reserve banks are not government agencies. ...but are independent, privately owned and locally controlled corporations." -- Lewis vs. United States, 680 F. 2d 1239 9th Circuit 1982

"We have, in this country, one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board. This evil institution has impoverished the people of the United States and has practically bankrupted our government. It has done this through the corrupt practices of the moneyed vultures who control it." -- Congressman Louis T. McFadden in 1932 (Rep. Pa)

"The Federal Reserve banks are one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever seen. There is not a man within the sound of my voice who does not know that this nation is run by the International bankers." -- Congressman Louis T. McFadden (Rep. Pa)

"Some [Most] people think the Federal Reserve Banks are the United States government's institutions. They are not government institutions. They are private credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign swindlers." -- Congressional Record 12595-12603 -- Louis T. McFadden, Chairman of the Committee on Banking and Currency (12 years) June 10, 1932

"[Every circulating FRN] represents a one dollar debt to the Federal Reserve system." -- Money Facts, House Banking and Currency Committee

"...the increase in the assets of the Federal Reserve banks from 143 million dollars in 1913 to 45 billion dollars in 1949 went directly to the private stockholders of the [federal reserve] banks." -- Eustace Mullins

"As soon as Mr. Roosevelt took office, the Federal Reserve began to buy government securities at the rate of ten million dollars a week for 10 weeks, and created one hundred million dollars in new [checkbook] currency, which alleviated the critical famine of money and credit, and the factories started hiring people again." -- Eustace Mullins

"By this means government may secretly and unobserved, confiscate the wealth of the people, and not one man in a million will detect the theft." -- British Lord John Maynard Keynes (the father of 'Keynesian Economics' which our nation now endures) in his book "THE ECONOMIC CONSEQUENCES OF THE PEACE" (1920).

"These 12 corporations together cover the whole country and monopolize and use for private gain every dollar of the public currency..." -- Mr. Crozier of Cincinnati, before Senate Banking and Currency Committee - 1913

"A great industrial nation is controlled by it's system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the world-- no longer a government of free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men." -- President Woodrow Wilson

"We are completely dependant on the commercial banks. Someone has to borrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the banks create ample synthetic money we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system.... It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied very soon." -- Robert H. Hamphill, Atlanta Federal Reserve Bank

"The Federal Reserve Banks are not federal instrumentalities..." -- Lewis vs. United States 9th Circuit 1992

"The Federal Reserve banks, while not part of the government,..." -- United States budget for 1991 and 1992 part 7, page 10

"The Federal Reserve bank buys government bonds without one penny..." -- Congressman Wright Patman, Congressional Record, Sept 30, 1941

"The Federal Reserve system pays the U.S. Treasury 020.60 per thousand notes -- a little over 2 cents each-- without regard to the face value of the note. Federal Reserve Notes, incidentally, are the only type of currency now produced for circulation. They are printed exclusively by the Treasury's Bureau of Engraving and Printing, and the $20.60 per thousand price reflects the Bureau's full cost of production. Federal Reserve Notes are printed in 01, 02, 05, 10, 20, 50, and 100 dollar denominations only; notes of 500, 1000, 5000, and 10,000 denominations were last printed in 1945." -- Donald J. Winn, Assistant to the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve system

"Neither paper currency nor deposits have value as commodities, intrinsically, a 'dollar' bill is just a piece of paper. Deposits are merely book entries." -- Modern Money Mechanics Workbook, Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago, 1975

"This [Federal Reserve Act] establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President [Wilson] signs this bill, the invisible government of the monetary power will be legalized....the worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency bill." -- Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr. , 1913

"From now on, depressions will be scientifically created." -- Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh Sr. , 1913

"The financial system has been turned over to the Federal Reserve Board. That Board administers the finance system by authority of a purely profiteering group. The system is Private, conducted for the sole purpose of obtaining the greatest possible profits from the use of other people's money" -- Charles A. Lindbergh Sr., 1923

"The [Federal Reserve Act] as it stands seems to me to open the way to a vast inflation of the currency... I do not like to think that any law can be passed that will make it possible to submerge the gold standard in a flood of irredeemable paper currency." -- Henry Cabot Lodge Sr., 1913

[Note – From 1913 until now inflation of the dollar has been 2950%. A 1913 dollar would now be worth $.034. When I became a wage earner in 1950 I could buy a full breakfast, eggs, sausage, hashbrowns, shortstack, juice, and coffee for $.39. This morning I paid $9.60 for the same, an inflation of 2460%]

"When you or I write a check there must be sufficient funds in our account to cover the check, but when the Federal Reserve writes a check there is no bank deposit on which that check is drawn. When the Federal Reserve writes a check, it is creating money." -- Putting it simply, Boston Federal Reserve Bank

"There is a distinction between a 'debt discharged' and a debt 'paid'. When discharged, the debt still exists though divested of it's charter as a legal obligation during the operation of the discharge, something of the original vitality of the debt continues to exist, which may be transfered, even though the transferee takes it subject to it's disability incident to the discharge." -- Stanek vs. White, 172 Minn.390, 215 N.W. 784

"I have never seen more Senators express discontent with their jobs....I think the major cause is that, deep down in our hearts, we have been accomplices in doing something terrible and unforgivable to our wonderful country. Deep down in our heart, we know that we have given our children a legacy of bankruptcy. We have defrauded our country to get ourselves elected." -- John Danforth (R-Mo)

"Capital must protect itself in every way...Debts must be collected and loans and mortgages foreclosed as soon as possible. When through a process of law the common people have lost their homes, they will be more tractable and more easily governed by the strong arm of the law applied by the central power of leading financiers. People without homes will not quarrel with their leaders. This is well known among our principal men now engaged in forming an imperialism of capitalism to govern the world. By dividing the people we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance to us except as teachers of the common herd." -- Taken from the Civil Servants' Year Book, "The Organizer" January 1934.

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs." -- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President.

"If Congress has the right [it doesn't] to issue paper money [currency], it was given to them to be used by...[the government] and not to be delegated to individuals or corporations." -- President Andrew Jackson, Vetoed Bank Bill of 1836

"History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and it's issuance." -- James Madison

"Should government refrain from regulation (taxation), the worthlessness of the money becomes apparent and the FRAUD can no longer be concealed." -- British Lord John Maynard Keynes (the father of 'Keynesian Economics' which our nation now endures) in his book "THE ECONOMIC CONSEQUENCES OF THE PEACE" (1920).

"But if in the pursuit of the means we should unfortunately stumble again on unfunded paper money or any similar species of fraud, we shall assuredly give a fatal stab to our national credit in its infancy. Paper money will invariably operate in the body of politics as spirit liquors on the human body. They prey on the vitals and ultimately destroy them. Paper money has had the effect in your state that it will ever have, to ruin commerce, oppress the honest, and open the door to every species of fraud and injustice." -- George Washington in a letter to Jabez Bowen, Rhode Island, Jan. 9, 1787

The economic Crash of '29 and the Great Depression were caused by the money vultures and foreign swindlers of the Federal Reserve withholding currency from circulation and raising interest rates after an inflationary easy money policy in the early 1920s. The Federal Reserve's fear of excessive speculation led it into a far too deflationary policy in the late 1920s, "destroying the village in order to save it."

The U.S. economy was already past the peak of the business cycle when the stock market crashed in October of 1929. The Federal Reserve did "overdo it" -- raising interest rates too much, bringing on the recession that they had hoped to avoid.

This contrived "emergency" by the money vultures and the political manipulations of FDR, et. al. since then has created innumerous abuses, usurpations, and abridgments of Constitutionally delegated Powers and Authority as clearly stated in Senate Report 93-549 (1973):

"A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years, [-1822 years now in 111] freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have in varying degrees been abridged by laws brought into force by statutes of national emergency."

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Now take your silly assed o.p. down the hall...

I picked this thread to comment in, because I was looking for a skeptical questioning one like it.

Are we being Paulbots for the change that we can believe in?

I want to believe that Ron is the one who will set things right, but I wanted to believe that Obama is the one who would set things right.

I listened to an internet radio guest this late evening, she was active in politics (name escapes me now) and she said her and comrades were activist against Obama's weird identity/background-therefore-qualifications, far back as 2008, and at that time, something came up where Ron Paul along with other politicians, gave Obama a pass and waved him on through. I know I'm telling it all blurry, but I didn't catch the hard details.

I came across this article from a place called RedStates, and they say, back in 2007, all this stuff with him winning the ("online" pols) and the moneybombs, was going on just like today. The harsh (and undoubtedly biased) article writer calls it "fleecing".

Another point: During one of those exciting CNN Republican debates, while we ATSrs were following and commenting, me and another poster, or so, were bothered, when Ron commented about the illegal aliens, and sounded soft and Liberal about these nice people who only want to come here to work and care for their families, ya know.


I'm DONE with GOP and Democrats, but I'm DONE also, with being a bot. I feel torn. Is Ron Paul a Constitutionalist Jimmy Carter? Would that be a good thing, or bad? Otherwise, I saw the old vids several of you had posted, and Paul has been consistent Libertarian, but there are Ultra far Leftists Libertarians. All I want, is for the national security tyranny and the endess wars to stop..

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We tried to warn the hopey changey zombies that obama was full of crap, as his short political carreer before running for president shows clearly. Most would put their hands over their ears and scream "LALALALA!", didn't want to hear it.

Ron Paul has been pretty damn consistent, voting the same principals he is campaigning on. He walks the walk.

obama just reads the teleprompter well. The talking heads turned him into jesus christ superstar.... That is why he won. I hope people have smartened up a bit now that they seen the snake in action for a term, dancing on the puppet strings, but that is probably just wishful thinking.

Originally posted by gorgi
The federal reserve is not a private bank.
Theres no denying what I wrote.

You are the uneducated one. You have no idea how the Fed works do you?

Sorry, had to quote that. Most retarded comment, poster and OP of the year goes to... gorgi

reply to post by TKDRL


I was thinking about my post here overnight, and I realized that we never had a Constitutionalist Libertarian for President yet, in modern times. Whether he -socially- leans Left or Right.
So my heart and mind are not closed to Paul and I decided that we need to put one of those in Office this time, and see what happens.

I don't believe the GOP will nominate Paul.
I know that Republicans and Democrats are the same old same old, and with them, we will get what we had always got. Thats for sure. Everyone, take that to the bank.

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Silly is probably more kind than I could be in my description. A lot of people just don't understand Austrian economics. Nor do they have any frame of reference in regards to history.

reply to post by Saltarello


This website is fantastic. It displays a very wide variety of people, and certainly exposes how ignorant (and arrogant) even the most intelligent people can be.

Originally posted by gorgi
Ron Paul has been constantly wrong on most stuff relating to the economy. His ideas of what he wants to do to the country will destroy it.

Ron Paul says he wants a smaller government. I suppose he doesnt realize what his actions will do to the country. He says he wants to get rid of many government agencies including the DOE, DHS, IRS, FEMA, DHHS, and the federal reserve.. What is he thinking? These are horrible ideas. The DOE oversees the US energy, inspections, research ect. The DHS keeps us safe. FEMA responds to disasters. The federal reserve is a very important body of the government. Doesnt he realize that by abolishing this he will destroy the country?

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I just hope he/she doesn't vote,or not old enough to vote

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Saucerwench

 

Ron Paul has been pretty damn consistent, voting the same principals he is campaigning on. He walks the walk.

Since when does being consistent mean that the persons good? Hes constantly wrong. I suppose to the uneducated people that would appear to be okay. People who support him have no idea what economics really is.

Originally posted by Saltarello

Originally posted by gorgi
The federal reserve is not a private bank.
Theres no denying what I wrote.

You are the uneducated one. You have no idea how the Fed works do you?

Sorry, had to quote that. Most retarded comment, poster and OP of the year goes to... gorgi

Thank you, thank you very much!!!

Just a shame you dont know how the fed works so if you dont understand it you call everyone else retarded. Thats just a shame.

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You are very good at insulting people and you consistently bash Ron Paul, so I guess a person can be consistent and VERY WRONG.

peace

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Everything Ron Paul Talked about in the Recent Presidential Debate are Cold Hard Facts about the State of our Economy , and the Misguided Direction our Country is Heading in Right Now . The REAL "Disaster" * is Fools like You Denying REALITY in thinking this Right Honorable Gentlemen is somehow WRONG about his Message to the American People that he has been Preaching now for the Past 30 Years............Listen and LEARN.........






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Originally posted by gorgi
The federal reserve is what keeps the US government going. We need a strong independent federal reserve.

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reply to post by Saucerwench


Man, you should un-starred for bumping this thread!
For a sec I thought the OP was Bill O'reilly trying to get even!
Seriously, you should support Jesse Ventura if he runs.

Originally posted by gorgi
Ron Paul has been constantly wrong on most stuff relating to the economy. His ideas of what he wants to do to the country will destroy it.
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He was also against TRAP. TARP was instrumental in saving the US economy and has worked fantastically. Since then the US has made a profit off it and kept the economy together.

QE1 and QE2 have also worked to stimulate the economy. Ben Bernanke can also prove how it has worked and why we needed it. There is proof that it has worked.

It appears that Ron Paul is continually wrong about the economics of the country

They should have named it TRAP......that's what it really is/was..... LOL Our economy is so fricken fantastic because of it, isn't it??? You do realize they didn't really use TRAP money for what we were told they were going to use it for right??? Bank still have tons of toxic assets on their balance sheets.

10/2008: TARP law passes, $700 billion allocated
— 7/2010: The regulatory reform law shrinks TARP to $475 billion and imposes a ban on starting new bailout programs.
— 9/2010: The Administration's latest ballpark estimate of losses ($50 billion) is an improvement on the Congressional Budget Office's August estimate of $66 billion.

Major TARP Programs

Bank Bailouts: $250 billion committed. Expected repayments: almost everything. Expected profits: $16 billion so far.

Auto Bailouts: $82 billion committed. Expected repayments: $55 billion. Expected losses: $27 billion.

AIG Bailout: $70 billion committed. Expected repayments: $25 billion. Expected losses: $45 billion.

Housing: $30 billion committed. Expected repayments: None. Expected Losses: $30 billion.

Public-Private Investment Program (purchases of toxic assets from banks, TARP's original purpose): $22 billion committed. Expected repayments: $21.5 billion. Expected losses: $500 million.

www.businessweek.com...

My math is pretty bad, can you help me out.... What is +$16Billion - $27Bil - $45Bil - $30Bil -$.5Bil ?????


If you think QE's are great then you my friend, are clueless. You have $1,000 in your wallet in 2008. Suddenly the supply of money outside your wallet grows immensely, does your money in your wallet still have $1,000 of real buying power? How much gold could you buy in 2008 for $1,000? ANSWER (1.15oz) How much gold can you buy for $1,000 now in Nov. 2011? ANSWER (0.59oz). You can get similar results for almost any other commodity too. Flooding the world with printing more money doesn't solve anything. Please explain to me how QE is working? I must be dense.

So Mr. Paul is so wrong on the economy.........like all our politicians have been so right on economic policy lately. I would almost guarantee that we would NOT be in such bad shape, if we had been under a Ron Paul Administration for the last 8 years.

Saint Ron "I Love Stormfront's Money" Paul is simply the right wing's version of Ralph Nader for the 2012 election.

Plain and simple. He'll only serve to siphon votes away from Romney or whomever ends up with the GOP nomination - thus ensuring President Obama's re-election.

Originally posted by gorgi

Originally posted by Saltarello

Originally posted by gorgi
The federal reserve is not a private bank.
Theres no denying what I wrote.

You are the uneducated one. You have no idea how the Fed works do you?

Sorry, had to quote that. Most retarded comment, poster and OP of the year goes to... gorgi

Thank you, thank you very much!!!

Just a shame you dont know how the fed works so if you dont understand it you call everyone else retarded. Thats just a shame.

Its nice of you to thank me for pointing out your blatant ignorance, not that everyone else is not doing it...
The FED? Well since Im spanish I dont really need to understand how it works, however, as Im curious enough I watched zeitgeist, then decided to read a bit more because it did not made sense alltogether, then it all fell into place. I would advice you do the same, educate yourself a bit before you embarras yourself spewing the sentence "the FED is part of the government, and its what keeps the US going" Id rather say its what keeps the US sinking even deeper, and as has been pointed out before, its as federal as federal express, guess you dont understand the sentence, or something.

We have our own elections in spain the 20th, hairy and disgusting, but gotta go for the lesser evil...

Edit: I understand that grasping all the concepts in zeitgeist, the ecconomy part at least is not simple, I would advice to grab enough paper and pen to last for a couple of hours, and be careful, the rabbit hole is very very deep indeed.

I love how if ron paul doesn't get to be president we will all be in fema camps.

That sure it scary.

Almost as scary as people thinking anything will actually change regardless of who sits in the white house.

Here are the top contributions for the 2012 cycle:

www.opensecrets.org...

Ron Paul receives most from US Army US Airforce and US Navy. He receives more from active and non-active military than Obama and also the entire gop candidate field combined. Gee, I wonder who the commander in chief should be.