In search of HHO power to anything always. Out of the claws, into.... something new.

Someone.

Could it be done.? Produce power via water cups and lemons for example??

And then power a small HHO producer.?? Perhaps with the diode technic and some small fans that produce power deu to the flow of the producing HHO water??

Originally posted by TribeOfManyColours

Its out of my comfort zone to, check my personal video's
I have had no eduction. Could be that soon I blow up my home.

Rubber shoes!!

Thanks Binder and Dsm for posting a comment, and flagging it.

Its a shame this thread, seems to bleed to death. How come?

What if we all start experimenting, posting results here. And if we succeed, we give ATS a free energy device. For allowing this thread to stay alive.

Lets brainstorm, for our future.

When you respond try to use not so technical words. Explain it on a low tech level. So everybody can go and built that 'thing' that lays on the other side of the thread.

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That's no fun.

I know i have made threads in the past that where less interesting then this one. But it had at least way more comments on it. Its bin hours, and 2 different people commented since?.

Is it this topic? Am I one of the few that are exited about these things.?

What do you want? Shall I inhale HHO, see what happens? w8 going to make anther video

Originally posted by TribeOfManyColours
I know i have made threads in the past that where less interesting then this one. But it had at least way more comments on it. Its bin hours, and 2 different people commented since?.

Is it this topic? Am I one of the few that are exited about these things.?

What do you want? Shall I inhale HHO, see what happens? w8 going to make anther video

Working with HHO Gas is dangerous. HHO gas can be dangerous to inhale as well as highly explosive. Do not attempt to light HHO gas directly from the HHO generator. Do not attempt to store HHO gas. Do not install an HHO generator inside your vehicle or near heat sources. We assume that you are aware of all the risks and possible damages associated with HHO gas. If you are not, please educate yourself first.

discoverhydrogen.com...

Nice thread. If someone could make a nice self-contained unit that is easy to install then it would be huge. If you used HHO for your car then what happens at inspection time? Do you have to dismantle it? Will it pass?
It's all time and money. If I have the time I don't have the money. If I have the money, I don't have the time.

Someone. Could it be done.? Produce power via water cups and lemons for example??

How much energy does it take to grow the lemons? Sounds really efficient.

Well actually, this thread is just for reaching us. Lets try and dedicate this thread in search of free energy.

Also known as "the neverending story". I think there was a movie by the same title.

And what if you for example build an HHO generator in your car and use an storage tank. So that on the end of the line, there's enough HHO to run the engine on full power

Hydrolysis is not 100% efficient, meaning you need an additional power source to keep splitting the water.

Interesting,

This is a hot topic, yet no one reply??

How can that be??

Is he right??

That guy is a swindler. Feel free to be swindled.

You can run an engine on straight water fairly easily though by introducing nebulized cold water mist with your HHO.

When I spray water in a mist it is not flammable.... It is for you?

Or are you talking about hydrogen??? A gas! No misting needed....

I know several guys running generators with Honda Vanguard engines this way. They use those little sonic misters from fog machines.

Since when is fog flammable???

Is this thread meant for the jokes and puns forum?

Originally posted by boncho

Someone. Could it be done.? Produce power via water cups and lemons for example??

How much energy does it take to grow the lemons? Sounds really efficient.

Well actually, this thread is just for reaching us. Lets try and dedicate this thread in search of free energy.

Also known as "the neverending story". I think there was a movie by the same title.

And what if you for example build an HHO generator in your car and use an storage tank. So that on the end of the line, there's enough HHO to run the engine on full power

Hydrolysis is not 100% efficient, meaning you need an additional power source to keep splitting the water.

Interesting,

This is a hot topic, yet no one reply??

How can that be??

Is he right??

That guy is a swindler. Feel free to be swindled.

You can run an engine on straight water fairly easily though by introducing nebulized cold water mist with your HHO.

When I spray water in a mist it is not flammable.... It is for you?

Or are you talking about hydrogen??? A gas! No misting needed....

I know several guys running generators with Honda Vanguard engines this way. They use those little sonic misters from fog machines.

Since when is fog flammable???

Is this thread meant for the jokes and puns forum?

You don't get the thread. Its meant to build, not break idea's. But your avatar holds a oil king or whatever he is/was, so you confess your colours. I don't mind

Originally posted by xizd1
Nice thread. If someone could make a nice self-contained unit that is easy to install then it would be huge. If you used HHO for your car then what happens at inspection time? Do you have to dismantle it? Will it pass?
It's all time and money. If I have the time I don't have the money. If I have the money, I don't have the time.

Well if you could increase your gas miles to 60miles per gallon?
By inspection time, I don't know if it will pass with it. But its easy to un-install once all the cables are prefix when reinstalling

Originally posted by Binder
I know several guys running generators with Honda Vanguard engines this way. They use those little sonic misters from fog machines. They run pretty good this way,and no they won't rust out, or embrittle, or any of the other junk the know it alls that have never touched a wrench think will happen.

There may be people who've never touched a wrench who don't know what they're talking about.

But there are also people who have touched a wrench who don't know what they're talking about.

And then there are people like the folks at Popular mechanics who know their way around a wrench pretty well and have actually tested these devices, more rigorously than a backyard mechanic who doesn't know how to set up accurate measurements and controls. Here's a good article to read on this topic:

Why Water Won't Improve Your MPG: A PM and Dateline NBC Investigation

I get mail. Hundreds of pieces of mail every month, and that includes e-mail, paper mail, the occasional voice mail and even a smattering of faxes. For the last two years, an unhealthy proportion of that correspondence has been about the same thing—making your car run on water instead of gasoline. With fuel escalating to historically high prices, followed by the global collapse of virtually every market, people are inclined to search for a way to reduce their monthly expenditures for gasoline or diesel. Which, of course, is perfectly understandable.

Over the years, I've tested plenty of gadgets that purport to reduce fuel consumption. None of them worked. None.

So he's not just saying they don't work, he's tested them!

Then he explains why it doesn't work:

I discussed the theoretical science a while ago. It's bad science. This malarkey boiled down to perpetual motion: something for nothing. Essentially, it takes more energy—in the form of the chemical energy in the gasoline you're burning in the engine, to spin the alternator to make the electricity and generate the HHO—than you get back. In fact, it's not even close: Multiply all the inefficiencies in that system and you only get a few percent back, certainly not in excess of 100 percent.

Now here's the type of testing you don't see from the backyard mechanic (by the way, I'm not disparaging backyard mechanics, I am one. I rebuilt my own engine):

we did some over-the-road and steady-state dynamometer testing to establish base-line fuel economy numbers. NBC followed my testing up with additional testing at an EPA-certified emissions lab, which wasn't cheap. The lab used its climate-controlled emissions dyno to establish fuel economy numbers in our Accord with the same protocols the EPA uses to generate the numbers on the window sticker of new cars. They're accurate and reproducible to well under 1 percent.

Then we took the car to a specialist who installed, for nearly $1900(!), a hydrogen generator and a system of other enhancements. There was a fuel heater, fuel-line magnets (which I debunked here), and several inscrutable boxes full of electronics designed to fool the car's computer into using less fuel. There was even a bottle of acetone to add to the fuel. (This is something that I've mentioned doesn't work here and here). The specialist guaranteed major improvements in fuel consumption. One week and nearly two grand later, the producer from NBC (who still hadn't identified himself as anyone except a guy who was tired of spending $50 to fill up his tank) picked up the car. He got a gas receipt proving the installer had seen 96 mpg, nearly triple the original economy.

We took the car straight back to that same EPA lab for another round of testing. It was followed shortly by a week's worth of road testing, dyno testing and general poking about to see what we could discover.

You can guess, right? The total improvement in fuel economy after $1800 plus of expenditure? Bupkis. Too small to measure. Nada. In fact, if you look at the EPA tests with the system switched on and then off, there's a tiny increase in fuel consumption when the system is turned on. I attribute this to the 15 amps or so of current the electrolysis cell consumes to produce hydrogen. That current uses horsepower to spin the generator, and that consumes gasoline. The hydrogen "boost" couldn't even compensate for its own losses.

But hey if anyone has testing this thorough from any unbiased party (meaning NOT the folks profiting from selling these contraptions), I'd love to see it, so please post it.

I'm very negative on all the BS out there. But I do have something positive to add too.

The best idea I've heard for HHO was actually from Bob Lazar who has an HHO powered car. He suggested that it's possible to use solar electricity to split water into HHO and then you can run your car on HHO created from that solar power. Here is the video where he explains it and shows his HHO powered Corvette:

Bob Lazar's Hydrogen Powered Corvette


This idea will really work (though it's probably not for everybody). Bob Lazar is more accurate than most people about HHO and as you can see in the video, he's actually doing it! (I think he sells HHO related stuff too through his company). Some of what he says is BS to try to get you to buy his products instead of those from competitors, but I think the competitors products work fine so you still have to take some of what he says with his company sales pitch in mind.

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You don't get the thread. Its meant to build, not break idea's. But your avatar holds a oil king or whatever he is/was, so you confess your colours. I don't mind

You can't build anything from a flawed idea. There is nothing to this thread that has any chance of amounting to anything more than a waste of time.

And as another poster pointed out, Bob Lazar (of all people) actually had a good idea. Because he was talking about taking energy from solar rays to produce hydrogen. Which, if done in low population areas, can offset the amount of energy loss during hydrogen production (seeing that cities have less sunlight and more pollutants that block sunlight [smog]).
Talked about in this thread.


So, back to the drawing board?

Originally posted by boncho
reply to post by TribeOfManyColours

 

You don't get the thread. Its meant to build, not break idea's. But your avatar holds a oil king or whatever he is/was, so you confess your colours. I don't mind

You can't build anything from a flawed idea. There is nothing to this thread that has any chance of amounting to anything more than a waste of time.

And as another poster pointed out, Bob Lazar (of all people) actually had a good idea. Because he was talking about taking energy from solar rays to produce hydrogen. Which, if done in low population areas, can offset the amount of energy loss during hydrogen production (seeing that cities have less sunlight and more pollutants that block sunlight [smog]).
Talked about in this thread.


So, back to the drawing board?

You still don't get it.

This thread is the drawing board?
To expand the idea, and share things with each other.
You see allot of video's on-line with those HHO producers in it claiming they increase their gas to miles ratio.

Yet you mentioned the Bob Lazar thing as a good idea, so can not argue with that

I love this concept very much. I would love to see this in large. So that you would have an continuous spark or something

Build this at home, to power the Hydrogen generator in the evening to fill up your HHO tanks??

Interesting read about Gasoline from Water,Co2 and sunlight

A research team from ETH Zurich, PSI, and Caltech demonstrates the stable, efficient and rapid generation of solar fuels. They apply a thermochemical cycle based on ceria redox reactions to thermochemically split water and CO2 using a novel solar cavity-receiver reactor under concentrated solar radiation. Their remarkable findings are reported in the latest issue of Science.

The link to the article

Also a interesting concept. Wonder if you could merge different concepts together


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Originally posted by TribeOfManyColours
Build this at home, to power the Hydrogen generator in the evening to fill up your HHO tanks??

edit on 5-5-2011 by TribeOfManyColours because: (no reason given)

What if you added this gas in the mixture, with the HHO for a combustion engine?

It generates 10.000 to 15.000 volts