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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
There's some better photos of the "surviving" bits on the Daily Mail
Looks like a UH-60 tail section with a highly modified rotor.
Originally posted by roguetechie
Here you go guys here's a picture of the aft section of what appears to be the helo's fuselage!
Now to my eye I notice a couple things:
1: This beast is mostly composite: Here's why i think this if it had a metallic skin you would see "crumpling" where some of the pieces are folded under the main body that should be sitting vertically.
2. Whatever helo this was looks like it has a tail ramp: This sorta precludes a blackhawk as I don't know of any blackhawks that have tail ramps to my knowledge the only three helo's I can think of with tail ramps are the CH 46 Ch 47 ch 53. Out of all these the only one with a conventional tail assembly instead of dual rotors is the ch 53. Now another point to consider is special operations do in fact in make pretty heavy use of MH 53 pave hawk and other variants of this chopper. And if I was going to build a stealthy socom chopper i think I'd rather start with an Mh-53 instead of a blackhawk simply for the cargo capacity alone, mh 53's can fit small jeep type trucks inside in some configs.
THIS...is indeed part of the fuselage and the Main Rotor Assembly...NOT the tail boom and rotor as a later posted said. And trying to say that this Rotor Assembly and fuselage in the picture is a modified UH-60 is like saying the AH-1Z Supercobra is a modified version of the original U-H1 Huey. Yes, in a technical and design sense...yes you can kind of say that...but really they are two very separate helicopters.
Originally posted by Aggie Man
On the news this morning (CNN or FOX...I can't remember) they had an "expert" who said this helicopter was a modified blackhawk with stealth technology.....
Anyway, I'm not here to argue over what type of helicopter it is, as I'm no expert; rather, I'm wondering what the US is going to do to retrieve the parts (which allegedly contain stealth technologies) that survived the demolition before it can be back engineered or sold to the highest bidder. Will we demand that Pakistan give it back or else lose the billions in aid we give them? Will we send in a special ops to retrieve it? Will the place where it is stored mysteriously blow up? Or is it just lost forever?
Originally posted by ladyjem
I have a couple of questions and I know absolutely zip about choppers and all aircraft in general, but the posters on this thread seem to be knowledgeable, so maybe some light could be shed on this.
When this story first surfaced, one of the news commentators (forgive me, I don't remember which one, but it was on CNN or FOX) said that the chopper when down because of "a lack of air" and the other talking head jumped on this statement. He supported the original statement by saying that because of the 18 foot high walls, this was entirely probable.
According to the CIA released diagram of the compound, only one small section of the wall was 18 feet high and per the graphics the MSM are running, that section was opposite the triangular area where the chopper landed/went down. The diagram for that area indicates walls 10 and 12 feet high.
So my questions are....
1) What is the height of the chopper suspected to be a part of this mission? With rotors?
2) Does a chopper indeed "need air" to lift off?
3) If the chopper rotor height exceeds 10-12 feet from the ground, & a chopper does need air, then is there an explanation for this inconsistency?
Thanks in advance for helping me understand.
Vortex ring state (VRS), also known as settling with power, is a hazardous condition encountered in helicopter flight. It occurs when the helicopter has three things occurring: A high rate of descent, an airspeed lower than effective translational lift, and the helicopter is using a large portion of its available power.