Don't Be Distracted : The Real Problem = Historic Mississippi Flood/Intentional Levee Breach

reply to post by tinker9917


That is a sobering, thought provoking, yet beautiful, analogy tinker.

I would like to hope so....but from the actions I have seen from people here in the past, it's hard to imagine. It seems that all it takes in a disaster situation to turn the tide from civility to cruelty, is a few, following the path to evil, and the sheep follow.

I love this country, and I believe there are sooooo many wonderful people here that would give their lives for others, and would do the right thing, even if it means death.

But, on the other hand, the US has turned into a country full of spoiled, rude, ruthless, selfish people. Who, if they could not go to walmart with their credit card to buy food, would starve to death.

I'm sure you have seen the images of shoppers on Black Friday, literally trampling people to death for a reduced priced xbox.

Imagine if that mob was starving, drowning, or dying.

"25,000 Expected To Flood When Morganza Opens"

thehayride.com...

Will they open the Morganza Floodway to relieve pressure on the levees in New Orleans and Baton Rouge? All the Corps of Engineers is waiting for is the flow rates to hit the required level, and then they will pull the trigger to send water cascading into areas from Northwest of Baton Rouge down to Terrebonne and Lafourche.

An estimated 25,000 people will be impacted by the intentional flooding.

“The Corps also presented us today with information on population statistics and structures that could be impacted by the opening of the Spillway,” Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal said. “Their information shows that there are about 2,500 people located inside the Spillway and 2,000 structures. In the backwater area, there are about 22,500 people and 11,000 structures that would be impacted by the Morganza Spillway opening.”

They must be doing all they can to notify these folks in the danger zones,yes? I know there's alot of hard-to-reach places down that way.

This link has some other good references.

Coolottie said...

We have had 17 people as of today die from the flood.

17 people... think about that for a second...

Don't see a number... see it like this...

Including myself there is 4 people in my household...

My neighbor above me takes care of his grandson... so thats 2 more

6 total so far...

down below me... Lives a newly married couple...

8 total so far...

Down below them lives a Family of 3

11 so Far...

below them lives 3 more...

that is 14...

below them there is 2 more

that is 16

below them is 1

that is 17...


The Hollow-holler-road whatever you wanna call it... has a total of 20 people living on it over the course of 2 miles..

No I did not make it up, so that my lil rant would add up perfectly to 17...

So 17 people have died from this flood so far...

that is like myself and my entire hollow... being wiped out...

-Positive vibes and prayers to everyone

reply to post by Stormgodess


A power struggle...

I don't even know what to think about that at this moment...

grrrrr


They KNEW it was a possibility that these spillways... which are people homes...
They KNEW they would have to be used one day...

Seems to me that they would have had a plan and knew what to do...
how to do it...
and when to do it....

Instead of this

idiotic bumbling... going on... it makes my blood run cold!

Their choices effect lives...

They need to get their act together... evacuate people
everyone...

Get them to safety



I had a chance once upon a time to work as an EMT
the pay was decent... I need a job at the time...
but I did not take it...

Why? Accountability...

I worked at a Pizza Hutt previously...

If I messed up and made a mistake, the worst that happened was...
someone got the wrong pizza...

EMT... you mess up... someone dies
If your not capable of doing the job... don't apply

I knew I couldnt live with making a mistake
I knew I couldnt live with the fact that if I wasnt fast enough...
or made a poor choice
people would die...

Why don't those officials take a hint...

I found an article that may prove useful to the people living in affected areas. It's a flood crest predicted timeline.. If someone posted this, I'm sorry but I must have missed it. (Gosh I hope this embed works right, my first time)
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/305136390c0d.jpg[/atsimg]
~EDIT~ sorry, I can't seem to get it to resize

reply to post by EvolEric


Thats a great analogy, to the lives at stake.

reply to post by On the Edge

They must be doing all they can to notify these folks in the danger zones,yes? I know there's alot of hard-to-reach places down that way.

Yes there are plenty of people that could still be "in the dark" about this. Hopefully there as been enough local chatter. And hopefully they understand the seriousness of it. I hope no more lives are lost. I'm concerned what the news will bring in the next couple weeks....

If you read the conversations going on here, you'll see some people talk about there not being enough information about evacuations and road closures. Plenty of people still confused over if they are supposed to leave or not.... and that's coming from people who are on facebook where news can travel quickly, so just imagine those who aren't on facebook or don't have internet. Imagine how much LESS they know in an already confusing situation.

And then take into account the mistakes that may have been made in the map making.... like this one.
emergency.louisiana.gov...

Another disturbing update....

A portion of Levee in East Baton Rouge Parish, near Louisiana State University is inconsistent with the height of the rest of Mississippi levees in the same area. A two mile section of levee is lower by 2 feet, and is in danger of over topping. They are currently attempting to raise that section's protection with tiger boom, and sand. The tiger boom is the same type of orange boom used during the oil spill. They are being filled with water. I personally do not see how these things are secure enough to hold back the Mississippi River???? I wonder if someone doesn't have a cush contract with the state and making a ton of money off of these things!! How can anyone put any faith in those contraptions to hold back this water!!

Link to video
www.wbrz.com...

www.wbrz.com...

BATON ROUGE- Two miles of levee will be built higher with sand and dirt since there's a two-foot drop compared to Baton Rouge. The levee south of LSU past the Iberville Parish line has inconsistencies in elevation. The East Baton Rouge side of Manchac Point is where the drop starts, and if something isn't done to fill that gap, the area around it is in danger of over-topping. Crews will use boom and bags, as they've done in downtown Baton Rouge, to bring the levee, starting a half mile north of the parish line, up to the crest level and beyond

Jindal says Morganza Floodway to open Saturday or Sunday; tells parishes to begin evacuation notifications

Source


This weekend will be a very important to many many people.

reply to post by EvolEric


Yes it will be... My heart and prayers are with those along the Morganza spillway flood basin. Yet, as a lifelong citizen of this area. Also as someone not being directly affected by flood water. I have a unique perspective to the events unfolding.

I feel for those that will be flooded when the Morganza spillway is open. But.... Those that have chosen to live there have always known this is a possibility. Letters are mailed yearly to the residents, reminding them that they may be flooded when the need arises.

Waiting to actually open it, has put, Millions of people at risk. High population areas, High Industrial and Manufacturing areas. Not to mention the core of Louisiana state government. Stalling until the last minute to open the spillway is a disaster waiting to happen. Sure the levees along the Mississippi River have been there, and held, for 80 yrs. But the Levees along the Mississippi River have been there FOR 80 YEARS!!!!!! and the River has rarely been this high!!! Why take the chance to have the levees weakened? Not to mention, the BARGES!!! That are still flowing through Baton Rouge, and tied up along the Levee banks! Did NO ONE, learn ANY lessons from KATRINA??????? All it would take is a slight bump from one of the BEHEMOTH STRUCTURES, to collapse the water soaked levees protecting the lives of SOOOOOO many people!!!!

I am so sorry for the Exclamations, Caps, and Bold lettering, but I, at this point......I'm just dumbfounded, I am ANGRY, I wonder if the FOOLS in charge think us all FOOLS!

Ok.. again sorry about the rant. I just can't grasp the thinking of these people sometimes, it is so frustrating it brings me to tears. Makes me feel helpless. I vote, I am active in local politics. Yet it seems nothing we do makes a difference. It seems that no matter who is in office, they either are puppets, or also defenseless to the red tape.

Hey all checking in.

Here are some local news websites to keep track on a local level when they open the morganza this weekend.

WWL chan 4 TV

WDSU chan 6

FOX 8

It feels like there is a hurricane is in the gulf huh?

Originally posted by Stormgodess
reply to post by tinker9917

 

That is a sobering, thought provoking, yet beautiful, analogy tinker.

I would like to hope so....but from the actions I have seen from people here in the past, it's hard to imagine. It seems that all it takes in a disaster situation to turn the tide from civility to cruelty, is a few, following the path to evil, and the sheep follow.

I love this country, and I believe there are sooooo many wonderful people here that would give their lives for others, and would do the right thing, even if it means death.

But, on the other hand, the US has turned into a country full of spoiled, rude, ruthless, selfish people. Who, if they could not go to walmart with their credit card to buy food, would starve to death.

I'm sure you have seen the images of shoppers on Black Friday, literally trampling people to death for a reduced priced xbox.

Imagine if that mob was starving, drowning, or dying.

Yeah, thats the scary part. If people are like this over material things, just think of what it will be like for survivalism.

"Jindal: Morganza Very Likely To Open This Weekend, Get Out Of Harm’s Way If You’re There"

thehayride.com...

Take action now. Look at the inundation maps and if you are in an area likely to be impacted, start to move your belongings or animals now. The most important update we want to give this morning is that it is extremely likely the Spillway will be opened as soon as tomorrow or as late as Sunday. The Corps will talk directly to the media as they gather more data, but we want people to take action now.”

Sounds like some good effort being made.

In support of parishes threatened by the opening of the Morganza Spillway, National Guardsmen continue to work with parish officials to conduct door-to-door notifications and area evacuations. The National Guard currently has 700 activated guardsmen. DOTD has 171 staff members and 140 trucks and equipment actively deployed in flood prevention

The National Guard continues to plan for Search and Rescue operations with Wildlife and Fisheries, State Police, and other agency partners, should they be needed. The Louisiana National Guard continues to coordinate with the Coast Guard on aerial overflights of the Morganza floodway.

All conspiracies aside,this is a tragic event,natural or otherwise. Hope it doesn't wind up needing it's own forum before all is said and done!

On BNN this evening
they said the flood was diverted to farmland
to save oil refineries

reply to post by Danbones


So... we will have fuel for our cars,,, but less food, higher unemployment and increased homelessness. Where is it all gonna end?

I thought of an inspirational piece today, and posted as a thread (which I thought I'd never do due to lack of people's respect and insight, and I was right, and will probably never do again).

There's decent people here on this thread that I think might be able to appreciate it at these times Here is the link.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by tinker9917


I don't know why they are so worried about the $%& Oil, No one can afford it now. The demand is going down as the price goes up, but the demand for food is going to keep going up. What is really upsetting is that the people may never be able to even return to some areas. The Delta will just be a swamp.

I can only think the reason it is not in the news, is because it could very well bring this country down. We were thinking along those terms about a possible major quake, well this is just as devastating. Plus there will probably be a devastating quake before it's over. My heart goes out to all of you that have to suffer through this, my prayers are with you.

reply to post by coolottie



I read yesterday, 13,000 laid off just from casino jobs alone (along the Mississippi).) They didn't mention everyone else's jobs of course. Talked about the tax dollars lost (at least 12-14 million $ I believe) due to casinos closing. But not about the farmland and homes and other jobs and property lost,

It's so sad,,,

reply to post by tinker9917


All the businesses lost or closed, and without any money coming in, is going to be so hard on all these people.
I just saw this video on youtube by CNN. I don't know if anyone has posted it. At least some are getting advance notice. Maybe this will help others in preparing. God help them.

Just thought I would check in.
Tension is high in the air.. but still so so so many people no matter the facts that are shown all seem to respond "We are staying put until / unless we actually see the water coming close to our homes"
I am saddened.. and angry by this, I have been working so hard for almost a week now talking to family members, people i know.. and even people I dont know, trying so hard to get them to understand the severity.
There are no more trucks left to rent around here to even try to help those that finally understand.
All storage shelters are full - I have of course let many know my doors are open, as according to the maps and my research .. my area / parish is in no danger of flooding.
I feel exhausted today, and out of ideas. Much luck to those that are in those areas.. I stay by my phone in case anyone changes their mind.. I just have a little car, but at least it can hold people, and I will go get them and make room.
My apologies for the rant so to speak - I know it is not helpful, but I guess in a way I'm putting this here in hopes maybe there are some new ideas on how to reach / help some of the stubborn ones out there.