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Whitehouse's view on gas prices

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posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 12:12 PM
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I went to go find what may be the whitehouse's view on gas prices...



We want higher prices.....

Make adjustments... make adjustments.....




Taxes.... ????? punish us???



force usage of less gas... force usage...

both sides at fault




use less oil????

secured an agreement... more like... you want money....

interesting conservative words from a democrat....



insane rant but, the truth is never a pretty lady



help, I had no boots on... in flipflops....



like the texas interviewer told you... WRONG

their is a simple silver bullet.... leadership...

the basic of business is not what you just heard... profit is made when you buy....




class warfare... no everyone here is still missing the moment....

LEADERSHIP

articles

the Hill




Battered by gas prices White House starts attacks on oil companies
By Ian Swanson - 04/23/11 10:45 AM ET

The White House has joined congressional Democrats in targeting oil companies with criticism for nearly $4 per gallon gas.

President Obama lashed out at oil companies -- and the tax breaks they get from the government -- for a second day in a row on Thursday and again in Saturday's address.

“Four billion dollars of your money are going to these companies at a time when they’re making record profits and you’re paying near record prices at the pump,” the president said at a Nevada town hall. “It has to stop.”



ok....


Yahoo



WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama says one answer to high gasoline prices is to spend money developing renewable energy sources.

"That's the key to helping families at the pump and reducing our dependence on foreign oil" in the long term, he said Saturday in his weekly radio and Internet address.

Obama raises the issue of rising fuel prices during almost every public appearance and says that he understands the strain higher fuel costs are putting on some family budgets.




To sum up the view it is this....

Official

Reduce usage-


plan for future with investments in energy--


backroom-
YOUR prices are going up... white house is not going to do a thing... this is YOUR fault and the republicans

You use to much compared with the rest of the world...



I cant break it down any simpler...

Those initiatives he mentioned will NOT be 'shovel ready' for the next five to ten years..

five years if someone is truly pushing...


This all means this... Your Cost of living is going to skyrocket... The reason... all the businesses are going to do is hit you with the cost.....

Fines are going to go up in courts....

this is just a plain nasty spiral... nasty...


they are making it easier and cheaper to be a criminal then a producer....




posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 12:36 PM
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It's funny to me that a so-called fiscal conservative would think that the Wite House should be able to control oil prices on the free market.

Of course, without the massive amount of socialist subsidies to the big foreign oil companies, supported by both parties, the FREE MARKET price of gas at the pump would be about 10 bucks a gallon.

So where's your 'Free Market" ideology now?



With Big Oil raking in record profits, House Democrats offered a Motion to Recommit to the House Republican short-term spending bill this afternoon making a responsible cut to the budget: putting an end to taxpayer-funded subsidies to large oil companies. Repealing these subsidies would save taxpayers tens of billions over the next decade and even ex-Shell CEO John Hofmeister agrees saying “with high oil prices, such subsidies are not necessary.” Rep. William Keating (D-MA) offered the motion on the House floor saying “let’s stop sending taxpayers’ money to the most profitable companies in the world.” ...Republicans voted unanimously against the motion, defeating it by a vote of 176-249.


House GOP votes unanimously to protect big oil subsidies



www.dailykos.com...


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posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 12:59 PM
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Everyone who likes to walk or ride a bike is laughing.



posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 01:05 PM
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reply to post by BeenieWeenie
 


Not with the new licensing fees coming their way soon.



posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 01:17 PM
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reply to post by incrediblelousminds
 


In a free market our cars most likely would not run on gas, we probably wouldn't even need oil for anything any more.. I'm even willing to bet that if we had a free market people probably wouldn't be paying for electricity either, or at least not as much compared to what they pay now.



posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
reply to post by incrediblelousminds
 


In a free market our cars most likely would not run on gas, we probably wouldn't even need oil for anything any more..


I see. What would vehicles run on, then, in this fantastical world? Electricity supplied by coal? Or are yo one of those who believes in known hoaxes like the water car?

Regardless, the POINT here is that if the price of gas at the pump were controlled by so-called 'free-market' mechanisms, it ould be more than double what it is today, after prices are kept artificially LOW by government subsidies.

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posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 04:53 PM
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most people are not smart enough to understand free energy. imagine how a car's alternator works, basically the battery is only needed to start the vehicle, then the engine turns the alternator which.....wait for it.... produces electricity!!!!

now, also understand the alternator has a .......VOLTAGE REGULATOR AND ........also.....can ......REGULATE AMPERAGE!!!!!...

still need me to "talk" slow...ok. fine... there are such things IN EXISTENCE NOW, dual shaft motors!!! one shaft to drive the wheels, and the other shaft .....wait for it....wait for it...spin an alternator that has a voltage regulator and amp regulator set for say example 120V or 240V (volts),whatever, and produces say...60A..(amps)..

perpetual energy!!!! ding...ding...ding..

I knew a shipbuilding engineer who used to work at NASSCO who invented it, "got visited" and then got paid 2 mil for the patent, which was shelved..



posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 04:57 PM
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reply to post by incrediblelousminds
 


Idk, what they would run on, I just know that in a free market someone would've invented a better alternative by now.



posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
reply to post by ripcontrol
 


It's funny to me that a so-called fiscal conservative would think that the Wite House should be able to control oil prices on the free market.

Of course, without the massive amount of socialist subsidies to the big foreign oil companies, supported by both parties, the FREE MARKET price of gas at the pump would be about 10 bucks a gallon.


I'm strongly question your facts and doubt any source of information would ever claim such a thing. About fifteen years ago prices at the pump were about $1 per gallon. Are you saying subsidies have gone DOWN by $3.50 per gallon? No. These so-called "subsidies" are mostly just tax credits -- meaning the business pays a lower tax than otherwise. Reduced taxes (low instead of none) is hardly a charity any more than me agreeing to steal your bike is a subsidy because I was nice and didn't steal your car instead. The comparison is valid because governments have no right to take money from a businesses without their permission, and when they do its not charity when they take less than you'd expect them to!

The free market price of gas at the pump would be about $3 per gallon because in a free market you don't have gasoline taxes or corporate taxes to drive up the prices. Cigarette taxes have proven that a $1 tax per box amounts to a $1 price increase per box at the store! Contrary to what liberals believe, taxes are *not* taken out of corporate profit margins... they pass the cost onto you and me.

The United States has one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world. And people wonder why jobs are being shipped overseas? Point your finger where it should be pointed... right at "good ol'" uncle sam.

There are all kinds of studies out there of the effect of subsidies on an economy. I CHALLENGE YOU to take a look at those studies with me. What do you think about that idea?
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posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by civilchallenger


The free market price of gas at the pump would be about $3 per gallon because in a free market you don't have gasoline taxes or corporate taxes to drive up the prices. Cigarette taxes have proven that a $1 tax per box amounts to a $1 price increase per box at the store! Contrary to what liberals believe, taxes are *not* taken out of corporate profit margins... they pass the cost onto you and me.


That's hilarious! A dollar a gallon! You clearly have no idea what goes into the extraction, production and transportation of petrol.

Federal Taxes are small fraction of the price of gas. Without those subsidies the price would be even higher. I've shown my numbers, if you're going to call "BS", you might want to include some sourced data as well.



posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
reply to post by incrediblelousminds
 


Idk, what they would run on, I just know that in a free market someone would've invented a better alternative by now.


Wow. Your faith in technology that doesnt exist is truly remarkable.

What's the weather like in theory land, and is it difficult to not step in unicorn poop?



posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 05:30 PM
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reply to post by rebeldog
 


Perpetual motion?

Thanks for the laugh. What concerns me is at least one other person starred your little fanatsy based on nothing other than wishful thinking.



posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by incrediblelousminds

Originally posted by civilchallenger


The free market price of gas at the pump would be about $3 per gallon because in a free market you don't have gasoline taxes or corporate taxes to drive up the prices. Cigarette taxes have proven that a $1 tax per box amounts to a $1 price increase per box at the store! Contrary to what liberals believe, taxes are *not* taken out of corporate profit margins... they pass the cost onto you and me.


That's hilarious! A dollar a gallon! You clearly have no idea what goes into the extraction, production and transportation of petrol.

Federal Taxes are small fraction of the price of gas. Without those subsidies the price would be even higher. I've shown my numbers, if you're going to call "BS", you might want to include some sourced data as well.


I like your attitude about how we need to focus on the facts of the matter.

Gasoline was as low as 99 cents per gallon in many places in 1998.
Source: zfacts.com...

But, I don't think of it is hilarious at all. Its pretty outrageous to me that prices are up 400% inside of 15 years.

I was responding to the allegation of gasoline being $10 per gallon without subsidies. Most subsidies are actually designed to lower taxes. Therefore, if subsidies can accomplish lowering gasoline prices from $10 per gallon to $4 per gallon. Then surely eliminating gasoline taxes completely can result in lowering prices from $4.00 per gallon to $3.50 per gallon. And again, I absolutely want to see the source for such a thing!

Strange, its suddenly easy for people to understand that lower taxes on a company result in lower product prices now. How convenient and correct of them to now understand such a thing. I like where this is .ed.
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posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 06:59 PM
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I'd like to bring attention to this fairly straight forward article about subsidies I found with a web search at:
tutor2u.net...

The graphs show something relatively simple. Subsidies have two effects. The minor effect is that the amount of money going to companies increases during "tough times". The major effect is that product prices are artificially adjusted. This is a very important concept. The reason it is important is because the major effect of changing a corporation's bank account is in the product prices of their goods! So keep that in mind the next time you think corporations need a higher tax rate considering all of the gains will be passed on to the consumers in the form of higher product prices!

Subsidies are an interesting idea. You pick out someone you like more than everyone else that you want to play favorites with... a farmer for example. Who doesn't like farmers? "Lets give them other people's money since we like them so much using government subsidies." Then, you basically give them charity during "tough times" based on complex math formulas and product prices, as to ensure a very large number of bureaucrats get an exceptionally large piece of the corporate charity money for them self. This shows how stupid governments are. If someone is poor, the reason for them being poor is irrelevant! And the reason for a corporation being poor is even more irrelevant as a corporation is not even a person... just a piece of paper assigning special rights and privileges in exchange for an annual sum of money. Corporate subsidies are a textbook example of government idiocy.



posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 08:16 PM
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You Americans think you have it bad, come and live here in Blighty! petrol prices at the pumps on average are going up two pence every week or so. If it carries on like this it wont be long before we'll be paying £2 for a litre of petrol. And our governments openly laughing at us because every £1 we spend at the pump the treasury takes 80 pence...! Governments around the world wont do anything until someone comes up with a workable idea about how we can revolt against the ever increasing rises without getting beaten up by jobsworth police officers or, especially in America, getting shot!
Here in the UK we are long overdue a revolution to sweep out our corrupt politicians and make government more accountable to its people...



posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 08:42 PM
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Originally posted by rebeldog
reply to post by incrediblelousminds
 


most people are not smart enough to understand free energy. imagine how a car's alternator works, basically the battery is only needed to start the vehicle, then the engine turns the alternator which.....wait for it.... produces electricity!!!!

now, also understand the alternator has a .......VOLTAGE REGULATOR AND ........also.....can ......REGULATE AMPERAGE!!!!!...

still need me to "talk" slow...ok. fine... there are such things IN EXISTENCE NOW, dual shaft motors!!! one shaft to drive the wheels, and the other shaft .....wait for it....wait for it...spin an alternator that has a voltage regulator and amp regulator set for say example 120V or 240V (volts),whatever, and produces say...60A..(amps)..

perpetual energy!!!! ding...ding...ding..

I knew a shipbuilding engineer who used to work at NASSCO who invented it, "got visited" and then got paid 2 mil for the patent, which was shelved..



Holy 'chit man: Danger will robinson:dangerously low understanding of basic science a. (perpetual motion machine a.!)

You are kidding right? of course the alternator produces electricity from the burning of petrochemicals(I.E. NOT"FREE" ENERGY!! ENERGY IS BEING INTRODUCED INTO THE SYSTEM BY COMBUSTION OF PETROLEUM.)

.Diesel locomotives burn diesel fuel in generators to create electricity to run the d.c electric traction motors that turn the wheels and pull the train.hardly new tech .

.They use d.c .electric motors because they supply 100 Percent of their available torque at 0rpm.
( stall).So the train can get moving from a standstill; where as a gas or diesel engine supplies 100%of their available torque at some peak rpm like 2500 (diesel) or 5500 (gasoline) rpm

You can't just hook a generator up to an electric motor to spin the generator to run the motor.Even at an unachievable100% efficiency you would theoretically only produce enough energy to spin the generator( It Won't do it in practice though )

If you don't have even that basic a grasp of conservation of energy I am not going to waste my evening trying to bring you up to speed on 8th grade physics.



Ding ding ding! This post is ridiculous. what do we have for our winner Johnny? Why it's a complete set (homestudy version )of remedial elementary school science.

ohyealookinto "mr. ohm" his law is very handy E=I*R (voltage= current* resistance ) conversely current (I) =voltage(E)divided by resistance(R)D.C. Voltage and current through a resistance
are directly proportional . ofcourseif you limit voltage you are limiting current ("regulating")

Here's one to stew on:" You can have plenty of voltage without current (amperage)!but not the other way around.


y I=e/r



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posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 09:18 PM
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Thanks so much for supplying a source for your claim that gas was cheaper in the past. Not sure why you think anyone would disagree with that statement. I was alive and buying gas then, too. What you dont seem to be taking into account is the devaluing of the dollar, along with rising costs of extracting oil that is more and more scarce. In addition, you are continuing to ignore the basic mechanisms of subsidies, which allow the oil companies to write-off aspects of the costs of production, etc.

But, again, thanks so much for a link proving gas was cheaper in the past.



posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 09:27 PM
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i agree with president barry, i want 79% income tax for the middle class, i want $9.00 a gallon gas, and i want to get beat up by the police if i happen to video tape them shooting an unarmed suspect 57 times in the back in the name of self defense.

if he doesn't deliver on this i don't believe he'll win the 2012 election.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 05:08 PM
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Curious if you have ever worked in the oil business. Because, from this West Texan's point of view you are getting it all wrong.

"Tax breaks" are another way of saying "We won't screw you so hard".

You think oil is high now, wait till they start protecting this little lizard we have down here. Once that happens, the New Mexico and West Texas oilfields will be, for all intent and purpose, off limits.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 07:13 PM
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can you post info on the lizard????



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