Originally posted by KoolerKing
reply to post by ThaLoccster
I'm all for standing up for your rights but to pull out an aka 47 or whatever and kill 2 police officers is insane. Most police officers are good.
All we see is a few bad episodes. How many calls or traffic stops happen in a day? A fricken crap load. At any stop an officer can be blown away so
I don't blame them for not having a bedside manor.
It's not like the police get paid well but they sure as hell should. Those 2 officers families lost a parent each and that is wrong.
I am not defending or advocating what the men did, but these were two people with a very alternative view on their status and the constitutionality of
traffic code violations.
Technically because Traffic Stops are not constitutional they represent a form of armed kidnapping with the menace of lethal force for failure to
Technically under common law that means you can respond with lethal force of your own.
After reading the woman who has filed this lawsuit comments written by her here on ATS shortly after the shooting occured it very much appears that
her husband and son were trying to both explain and prove their sovereign status to be free of such stops and the cops decided to respond to that with
added aggression versus considering what they were informing the police.
In other words we are going to show you!
Instead the men turned around and showed them the power of lethal force.
Tragic all the way around.
I am assuming some of this based on what she wrote and the fact that the audio for the stop went missing, but I would wager that had the cops simply
tried to deesculate the situation by saying something to the effect "look I hear you, but I still have to write you a ticket and you are free to
pursue what ever strategy you want in court" it might have ended up with everyone walking away.
Instead it appears that they either attempted or did in fact taser one of the men which led to the escalation of force.
I feel for the mens families all the way around but as long as the police want to use escalating force in situations that are really not life and
death situations to begin with (ie a routine traffic stop against a citizen not committing any real crime with no warrants for their arrest) simply to
demonstrate a form of you must comply with what ever I say, not because the law is necessarily on their side but because a badge, a gun and human ego
and hubris are all combining it does represent a danger to the citizenry, especially with over 600,000 largely unconstitutional codes on the books.
Personally I think with all the homeland security money spent on sending local and state police to seminars that teach them all citizens are a
potential terrorist danger, that some of that money should be spent on educating police officers about citizens who favor common law principles and
free man on the land thinking so that when police stop such people they know how to respond in a way that defuses the situation and keeps both
officers and citizens safe.
Common law has been around a long time, a whole lot longer than the constitution, the war on terror and domestic terrorists and extremists, the
constiution likewise has been around a lot longer than some of these relatively new mind sets being displayed within the police department.
So there really is no reason for the police not to be aware of these concepts, and to not have set procedures for handling them when they arise, just
like they have set procedures for almost all other variables in their work.
Long and short of it, these officers attempted to use escalating force and the colour of their badges when some simple soft spoken words and
explanations would have served them much better.