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We’re Not From The Milky Way Galaxy! We’re Sagittarians, Say Scientists! What Of Earth's Future

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posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 03:23 AM
oh maybe your talking about hawkins theory of tiny little black holes??? well there just maybe some truth in what he has calculated and stated but i think its highly unlikely there is tiny little black holes at the centre of planets and they just explode!

posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 04:14 AM
here's a link to the audio program hosted by Michio Kaku

in the intro there's given a 24 hour hot-line to pose your question to the man, click the 'listen' tab

i know this isn't specifically about the slow speed collision of the Sagittairian & MilkyWay galaxies
but you may find archives from the show that address the question---or better still, call in the query to the 24 hour hotline

edit on 23-4-2011 by St Udio because: (no reason given)

posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 11:45 PM

Originally posted by sema sema
You should both read the above link, black holes are far from myth lmao! there mathmatically proved and now oh look a picture of our own milky way centre eating a star! so please if you may, would either of you like to tell me what that is eating a star if not a black hole! and could you be so kind as to back it up with a bit of math please!

After reading through numerous papers, it does seem that black holes and even the Big Bang are myths perpetuated by a disingenuous coterie. According to Stephen J. Crothers it has been recently proved that the black hole and the expanding Universe are not predicted by General Relativity at all!

Neither the layman nor the specialist, in general, have any knowledge of the historical circumstances underlying the genesis of the idea of the Black Hole. Essentially, almost all and sundry simply take for granted the unsubstantiated allegations of some ostentatious minority of the relativists. Unfortunately, that minority has been rather careless with the truth and is quite averse to having its claims corrected, notwithstanding the documentary evidence on the historical record.

Furthermore, not a few of that vainglorious and, particularly amongst those of some notoriety, attempt to dismiss the testimony of the literature with contempt, and even deliberate falsehoods, claiming that history is of no importance. The historical record clearly demonstrates that the Black Hole has been conjured up by a combination of confusion, superstition and ineptitude, and is sustained by widespread suppression of facts, both physical and theoretical.

It must not be forgotten that all the arguments for the black hole are theoretical, based solely upon the erroneous Hilbert solution and the meaningless Kruskal-Szekeres extension on it. One is therefore lead to wonder what it is that astronomers actually “see” when they claim that they have found yet another black hole here or there.

Besides the purely mathematical errors that mitigate the black hole, there are also considerable physical arguments against it, in addition to the fact that no event horizon has ever been detected.

There can be no meaningful theoretical discussion of black hole binaries or colliding black holes, unless it can be shown that Einstein’s field equations contain, hidden within them, solutions for such configurations of matter. Without at least an existence theorem for multi-body configurations, all talk of black hole binaries and black hole collisions is twaddle. The theoreticians have never provided an existence theorem.

A Brief History of Black Holes, By Stephen J. Crothers

As per Nikias Stavroulakis:

* The given distribution of matter cannot be reduced to a point.

* Black holes never appear in solutions of the Einstein equations.

Here’s some more gen, this time from New Scientist.....

A controversial alternative to black hole theory has been bolstered by observations of an object in the distant universe, researchers say. If their interpretation is correct, it might mean black holes do not exist and are in fact bizarre and compact balls of plasma called MECOs (Magnetospheric Eternally Collapsing Object).

According to the MECO theory, objects in our universe can never actually collapse to form black holes. When an object gets very dense and hot, subatomic particles start popping in and out of existence inside it in huge numbers, producing copious amounts of radiation. Outward pressure from this radiation halts the collapse so the object remains a hot ball of plasma rather than becoming a black hole.

"I believe this is the first evidence that the whole black hole paradigm is incorrect," says Darryl Leiter of the Marwood Astrophysics Research Center in Charottesville, Virginia, US, who co-authored the study. He says that where astronomers think they see black holes, they are actually looking at MECOs.

And here's an interesting vid...Check out the the new mantra - Plasma Cosmology!

And to conclude….

Stephen Hawking has now put forward a new theory that changes the way scientists view black holes, saying he was wrong about them in the past!
Dr David Whitehouse
BBC News Online science editor.

The current theory on black holes seems to be heading into one!! What about the Big Bang theory? Well, that's for later!


posted on Nov, 14 2018 @ 06:35 PM

A new study published in the journal Nature used the chemical compositions of stars to uncover details on the galaxy's history. After all, the stars' composition should reflect the abundant elements in the galaxy at the time that they were formed.

Two distinct groups of stars based on chemical composition were discovered: one set rich in α-elements such as oxygen, magnesium, and silicon, and another one more rich in iron.

According to Tohoku University, Noguchi analyzed the galaxy's history over a 10 billion-year period, starting from the time cold gas streams entered the galaxy and stars began to form from the gas. This period included many short-lived Type II supernovae, which ejected plenty of α-elements into space. These elements quickly became part of the gas streams and eventually formed the first-generation stars.

Then 3 billion years later, shock waves appeared and heated the gas, which spurred the gas to stop flowing into the galaxy. As a consequence, the formation of stars ceased as well, and the Milky Way "died."

Things remained relatively quiet for 2 billion years until another round of explosions — this time from long-lived Type Ia supernovae — spewed out iron. The gas, at this point cooled down by emitting radiation, began streaming back into the Milky Way, sparking it back to life.

Just like what happened in the earlier days of the galaxy, stars began to form, this time rich in iron. One of these stars is the sun., Aug. 24, 2018 - The Milky Way 'Died' Once And The Solar System Is Living Through Its Revival.

Astronomers analyzing data from [D2] of ESA’s star mapping mission Gaia have shown that our Milky Way Galaxy is still enduring the effects of a near collision that set millions of its stars moving like ripples on a pond. The close encounter likely took place sometime in the past 300-900 million years, and the culprit could be the Sagittarius dwarf galaxy, an elliptical loop-shaped galaxy located 78,300 light-years away. It was discovered because of the pattern of movement it has given to stars in the Milky Way disk.

“Its last close pass to our Galaxy was not a direct hit — it passed close by. This would have been enough so that its gravity perturbed some stars in our Galaxy like a stone dropping into water.”

“The clincher was that estimates of Sagittarius’s last close encounter with the Milky Way place it sometime between 200 million and one billion years ago, which is almost exactly what we calculated as an origin for the beginning of the snail shell-like pattern.”, Sept. 20, 2018 - Gaia Sees Effects of Milky Way’s Close Encounter with Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy.

The first article explains the difference between "young" stars and "iron-rich" stars and give a good hypothetical reasoning for seeing what we are seeing. The MW stopped star formation until it ran into a dwarf galaxy.

The second is Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy but they made a mistake by saying it is "elliptical" because there is also a Sagittarius Elliptical galaxy. They are two different galaxies! But their link in their article is back to the spheroidal one in Wikipedia.

They used Gaia D2 [data set 2] which was released earlier this year. They created a "phase space" where they could show the interactions between the Milky Way and Sgr dSph. The interactions are "finger prints" of past collisions.

About a billion years ago, the MW got a kick in the pants that jumpstarted star formation from an encounter with Sgr dSph.

As another funny coincidence ( All disk galaxies rotate once every billion years.

This post is for Kev because it is my conclusion that the Solar System is from outside of the MW. Not only that, but our basis for all religion and many of our myths are due to the fact that we lie near perpendicular to the plane of the MW. It is because of this assimilation that our whole Solar System wobbles which is the real cause of Precession of the Equinoxes (and not the sun/moon "tugging" on the Earth).

Hail to thee fellow Sagittarian!
edit on 14-11-2018 by TEOTWAWKIAIFF because: verbage

posted on Nov, 14 2018 @ 06:57 PM

Wow! I really wished you would make a new revised thread on this with a link to this older one. I started to read and seen the 2011 date and scoffed. Luckily I went to the end to see who posted on a 7year old thread.

Fascinating update, TWK! I hope others will realize this thread is worthy of a reread too. I am fascinated due to not ever really learning of this theory before. Thank you for sharing.

posted on Nov, 14 2018 @ 07:05 PM
a reply to: CynConcepts

It is modern info on an old idea! I really like these old threads and think they deserve a bump every now and then. Like this one should also be mentioned:

ATS, Aliens and UFOs - The Milky Way - Welcome to your New Home Galaxy!

There is tons of info on that thread too. The thought of starting a new one seemed, idk, selfish?, I guess. I always liked this thread, so I tagged on!

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