Israeli schoolbus hit with anti-tank weapon fired from Gaza, critically wounding teen

reply to post by nenothtu


It concerns me all the spying and electronic surveilance and I don't think a black SUV would show up, but I can just see being in court one day and having some prosecutor pull out my web browsing information.

It's funny there is a relatively new movie out on video rental about the guy who revolutionized the online porn business by starting up the first anonymous credit card billing company.

At one point he had a near monopoly on all the porn sites and stars that had sites and he was approached by the FBI because their surveilance of known terrorists web browsing displayed that they were addicted to one porn star in particular.

Supposedly all a true story, he and she agreed to do certain types of web cam broadcasts that the terrorists loved to watch so they could be targetted with missiles while watching the shows.

I can't say if it was true or not but it was hysterical the way they depicted these poor guys rushing into their huts firing up their lap tops to watch the show and then the missile crashing down on them.

The power of the Internet.

Originally posted by nenothtu
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

Gotta worry about worse than snipers these days, though. There's cameras EVERYWHERE!

There really are, theres a new traffic cam installed 2 houses down on my street I suspect is going to have an accident one day soon.

Most of downtown Miami and half of South Beach is under video surveillance, the disturbing thing is if they ever do go to use all this technology in a coordinated effort to put down any kind of rebellion in this country it's going to be pretty easy for them to do.

I think they are playing us like kids with our collective fears of the Islamic boogie man just to build up a system that will protect the government and not us.

At the rate they are bringing this stuff on line I think we are losing what ever window of opportunity we have very quickly.

I hope that summer and winter camp have good tree cover!

reply to post by nenothtu

Neno! You guys did the "Swan Lake" leaping gnome thing too? We'd laugh so hard at ourselves we could hardly walk. You're right! There is no telling what was going through the other guy's minds, but for whatever reason, they'd usually stop shooting.

Other times we'd drop our rip-stop bottoms, and Moon "shine" the other side, and to this day I'm thankful the guys on the other side who had been shooting, weren't worth a damn. More and more, I think such behavior is not that aberrant, and in fact more or less a universal-type of behavior in such situations.

Even if I had the crosshairs on my man, and he started doing stupid **** like that, there is no way I could even take the slack out of the trigger.

The one thing there is always an excess of in combat - strong senses of humor!

To soldiers with a good sense of humor. Enough of them, and there'd never be any fighting getting done.

Could be that this whole thing is being used to bolster support and present a need for the continuation of spending millions to keep the war machines churning and the blood and money flowing.

Barak hails U.S. decision to continue funding Iron Dome U.S. House passes budget including $205 million intended for developing Iron Dome anti-missile system; defense minister calls it 'significant reinforcement of Israel's defense capabilities against missiles.'

Defense Minister Ehud Barak welcomed Friday a decision by the U.S. House of Representatives to approve a budget which includes $205 million intended for continuing development of the Iron Dome anti-missile system. Barak said the decision is a "significant reinforcement of Israel's defense capabilities against missiles."

www.haaretz.com...

reply to post by FarArcher


I think all the tension and uncertainty leads to a kind of supressed nervousness that comes out in laughter or hysterics.

Anticipitorial Anxiety is what they call it, it's very stressful for people not accustomed to life and death situations.

Most people never really get accustomed to life and death situations.

Robert Duvall surfing scene in appocalypse now is a perfect example of someone accustomed to life and death situations.

Me I love the smell of napalm in the morning!

reply to post by FarArcher

Even if I had the crosshairs on my man, and he started doing stupid **** like that, there is no way I could even take the slack out of the trigger.

Much less maintain the ice cream cone as your struggling to keep your cheek muscles from flexing into a much needed smile and at the same time trying desperately to keep your relaxed and deflated lungs from inhaling quickly and belching out much needed laughter!

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


What TOR does is to send you through a bunch of proxies, so that even your local ISP doesn't know where the traffic really goes. You also have to watch Google, carefully. They're in partnership with NSA, and you KNOW which internet giant is collecting a huge database on everyone on Earth who runs through the internet, right? Now guess who gets access to that massed info through that partnrship.

The don't even need a valid warrant any more. Rule of Particularity has gone out the window via Bush Jr.'s "Patriot Act". All they have to do is deliver a "National Security Letter" to anyone, and that scares the recipient so bad that they squat and pee on demand.

Has anyone else noticed that Obama didn't do squat to get rid of his buddy Bush's "Patriot Act"? I bet there's a reason for that...

Anyhow, there's generally a lot of ways to track your computer and web habits, from cookies to LSO cookies (flash cookies that never go away), internet trackers that are found on nearly every website, ad infinitum. Best thing to do is look after your own security in the dangerous wilds of the information superhighway, and don't trust any of "them" to play nice. I personally am a firm believer in certain encryption schemes which can be examined for back doors before use.

I also zap all of my cookies, including the normally unzappable LSO's every time I close the browser, so the next session isn't linkable to the last, to avoid a profile build. Bit of a pain for folks that do regular on line business, but since I don't, it ain't a problem for me. "Privacy Plus" add-on for Firefox handles the LSO's for you.

Just going to the al Qassam website could raise an eyebrow or two, but the same thing can be accomplished by simply watching a video that they might question your reason for watching, like some of those posted in this thread. Don't have to go anywhere dangerous - the video sets the LSO cookie, and then it sits there on your hard drive just waiting.

If I wanted the bastards to track me, I'd drop bread crumbs for 'em.

reply to post by jackflap


Oh without a doubt, and you know one of the things that troubles me here greatly and I really can't prove it either, is back on page three when Gravitational first posted the Hamas web site the comunique said that they had fired two rockets one hitting a bus.

Sometime between that day he posted it and yesterday when I checked it again, it had been reworded to say that a Laser Guided missile targeted the bus.

It's like they followed the Israeli lead and edited it to reflect the sales pitch.

One thing we don't know is the financial details of the Hamas leadership. We know Mubarak had billions, Gadaffi has billions, how much money are the heads of Hamas tucking away in all this?

So yes absolutely is Israel going to get a couple hundred more million spread around to defense contractors and politicians over all this.

For a couple hundred million I got to be honest I will part with one of my six kids, for a flesh wound definately!

My eldest child is even Jewish so I can even provide one of them!

Any interested parties please write [email protected]!

reply to post by nenothtu


What I have noticed is Obama has a terrible speech impediment where he clearly meant to be saying, "Vote for me I am for more years of George Bush".

He really is four more years of George Bush, not one difference, though I have to say I am more partial to Laura than Michelle.

I miss Laura, she has that school teacher look I always love to get to know better.

Laura Bush in 2012!

This thread took an interesting turn for the better.
I like it.
Someday, perhaps we will recognize the enemy is us.

Maybe that is too deep.
Carry on.

Originally posted by Stewie
This thread took an interesting turn for the better.
I like it.
Someday, perhaps we will recognize the enemy is us.

Maybe that is too deep.
Carry on.

You can always count on having a fun day when you spend it with the people you love...everyone sing it now

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Most of downtown Miami and half of South Beach is under video surveillance, the disturbing thing is if they ever do go to use all this technology in a coordinated effort to put down any kind of rebellion in this country it's going to be pretty easy for them to do.

I think they are playing us like kids with our collective fears of the Islamic boogie man just to build up a system that will protect the government and not us.

At the rate they are bringing this stuff on line I think we are losing what ever window of opportunity we have very quickly.

I suspect those cameras are being located and documented, and might not be as effective as they think in suppressing the citizenry if push come to shove...

I hope that summer and winter camp have good tree cover!

Well, now that you mention it, they really do. I just finished examining some satellite images in visual and infrared of the areas in question about 3 days ago. There are "things" in that brush that I KNOW are there, and I KNOW where they are, that are absolutely undetectable from overhead.

Got it covered, and not a surveillance camera within miles. Overwatch points to keep the approaches under observation, and covered exits in case that gets too heavy. Surrounded by 70 or 80 miles of armed and irascible hillbillies for early warning via loud noises.

Won't be a pleasant place to be for the wrong sorts.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Robert Duvall surfing scene in appocalypse now is a perfect example of someone accustomed to life and death situations. Me I love the smell of napalm in the morning!

If only to get that Barney video out of my head, might we enjoy a little musical intermission called Ride of the Valkyries accompanied by one of Hollywood's best accomplishments in the form of Apocalypse Now. I am imagining Barney in that village by the way.

Originally posted by FarArcher

Even if I had the crosshairs on my man, and he started doing stupid **** like that, there is no way I could even take the slack out of the trigger.

Hard to twitch a trigger when both hands are rubbing your eyes in disbelief of what you're seeing during that "WTF?" moment! Folks should think about that video posted - could you REALLY hold steady enough to hit one of those guys in that instant?

Yup, I think it's just a part of the Universal Soldier, a comedic tension buster or something. If more people did it, more frequently, no fighting would ever get done. Back then, I just thought we were wierdos, rather than the rule, but now I think differently.

It has it's downside, though - all that leaping about can get rough on the shoulders and calves if your toting a ruck at the time, and it's a bit overloaded as they generally are...

Originally posted by jackflap

Could be that this whole thing is being used to bolster support and present a need for the continuation of spending millions to keep the war machines churning and the blood and money flowing.

But if it is, it wouldn't need to be photoshopped or made obvious that it was hoaxed - that would be counter productive. In that case all they'd have to do would be to get a bus - it could even be empty - and light it up. Then take a bunch of pictures right there on the same site, and just blame it on Hamas.

Also, it's not likely that Hamas would take credit for it if it was to benefit spending on Israeli defense - again, counter productive to their interests.

reply to post by nenothtu


I am going to quote our friend Proto here. He is speculating that the Hamas leadership is actually following the lead of Israel in their claims. They first posted on their web site that they hit the bus with two rockets and then changed it when Israel published their rendition of the event.

So what we may possibly have is the two bilking the cow for all its worth. They would accomplish a couple of things in this endeavor. One, keep the US populace, especially the religious sector, enraged and begging to continue funding the Israeli war machine first and foremost.

The thing that gets me is how we keep funding them. Look up Israel aid to the US and you will only find US aid to Israel. They never help in disasters that I know of and they seem to keep to their own except when spying on the US. Lest we forget the Israeli spy ring that was uncovered here.

Oh without a doubt, and you know one of the things that troubles me here greatly and I really can't prove it either, is back on page three when Gravitational first posted the Hamas web site the comunique said that they had fired two rockets one hitting a bus. Sometime between that day he posted it and yesterday when I checked it again, it had been reworded to say that a Laser Guided missile targeted the bus. It's like they followed the Israeli lead and edited it to reflect the sales pitch. One thing we don't know is the financial details of the Hamas leadership. We know Mubarak had billions, Gadaffi has billions, how much money are the heads of Hamas tucking away in all this? So yes absolutely is Israel going to get a couple hundred more million spread around to defense contractors and politicians over all this.

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by jackflap

Could be that this whole thing is being used to bolster support and present a need for the continuation of spending millions to keep the war machines churning and the blood and money flowing.

But if it is, it wouldn't need to be photoshopped or made obvious that it was hoaxed - that would be counter productive. In that case all they'd have to do would be to get a bus - it could even be empty - and light it up. Then take a bunch of pictures right there on the same site, and just blame it on Hamas.

Also, it's not likely that Hamas would take credit for it if it was to benefit spending on Israeli defense - again, counter productive to their interests.

My second trip to the Hamas site a week later proved my earlier contention there in the comments section below was one poster after another asking how they could join the armed wing of Hamas.

Isreal gets money, Hamas gets new members.

Hamas would be insane to deny the attack for that reason alone.

You and I can decry it all we want but to young Palestinians it's a victory of sorts.

So it drives recruitment.

That's one of the things I tried to explain earlier in the thread about Bader Meinhoff and the Red Brigades and some of the other Euro Terrorists groups in the 70's, the second something exploded they would all take credit, they wanted the publicity, the publicity drives recruitment.

Ideally you are looking for angry young people who you can mold and manipulate through their anger.

reply to post by jackflap


Funny that you mention the spy ring.

Sibel Edmonds tried to turn in a variety of people.
Some were supposedly employed Turkey and some by Israel, but both were involved in spying on the US and creating a black market for nuclear weapons.

I think that she actually called it a nuclear clearing house.

And she was shut up by the Bush administration with the "state secret privilege"...
And now no MSM news outlets will interview her.

Amazing.

All those fools are in on it.
Proto had it right when he mentioned that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad gave Larry King the grip of a Master Mason on his show.

We are being played like a fiddle methinks.

reply to post by Josephus23


Here in Miami I know at least one Mossad agent personally that I know who works for Homeland Secutiry in one of the National Law Enforcement Agencies. Most of the paraphenillia headshops in South Beach are fronts too for the Mossad.

They keep a huge presence here in the US.

What isn't so clear is whether they are a true sister organization of the CIA and a similiar tool for the Shadow Government.

In otherwords that is to say is the International Shadow Government deploying them here or are they really syping for "Israel".

It's become abunduntly clear that the US Government has almost no control or real oversight of the CIA from the President on down.

So do we know if Israel actually has control of the Mossad?

I would say it's doubtful that they do. They might specialize in matters that effect Israel, just like the CIA specializes in matters that effect the USA, but who really controls them.

Jessie Ventura made it pretty clear right after he left the Governors Office in Minnesota he had a CIA minder and the CIA wanted to know how he managed to become Govenor.

Evidently he was not the power that be's candidate and they were surprised and alarmed that he had won the election and concerned maybe he had figured out a way to rig it.

Many people believe the CIA keeps a minder in the White House to keep control of the US President and has since the Assissination of Kennedy.

So is the Mossad controlling Israel much like the CIA controls the politicians in the United States.

One thing I find interesting is this Mossad agent is actually well versed and aware of things like
project Blue Beam.

I tend to believe they are controlled bt the Shadow Government.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Israel is without a doubt, a puppet republic of TPTB. That's why IMO, the UN, the USA and the UK are backing up Israel and arming Israel with Weapons of mass destruction, even with atomic weapons !

Israel is a Roman Legion waiting for instructions and used to help TPTB's interests.