Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by getreadyalready
Obama is still struggling, the economy is bad, and then here comes Trump to save the economy, put his decades of business leadership to work in stark contrast to Obamas lack of experience
How many times have Trump's businesses declare bankruptcy...3 times....4 times???
That's because Trump can't just print more money to fund his way out of an economic jam like obama can.
And now you're complaining about bias in sources??? Is that OK with you? Or is
it only left-wing bias that deserves discrediting? Your right-wing bias is showing. 
That is exactly my point. The country is already in bankruptcy, and Trump is the guy that knows the most about filing bankruptcy and then recovering to be rich again! That is what the country needs.
Also, Obama hasn't revealed anything, except a document that would be insufficient for many professions, including mine. So, Trumps money will surely be able to shed a little more light on the subject. I don't know where Obama was born, and I'm not accusing him of anything, except for not giving full disclosure. The document he provided is insufficient without corroborating evidence, and nobody has stepped up to corroborate it.
The documents that Obama have revealed was good enough to get him his job as a State Senator, United States Senator, and as the President Of The United States.
Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
The documents that Obama have revealed was good enough to get him his job as a State Senator, United States Senator, and as the President Of The United States.
I don't feel like looking for the quotes and links right now, perhaps BH will remember, but I found the specific election law, and verified with my local supervisor of elections, and no documentation is required to put yourself on a ballot, or be elected, or serve in the office you were elected for.
I suppose the assumption is that one's political opponents will take care of that sticky detail, but it is not a requirement of being elected. Saddam Hussein could have gotten himself on a Florida Ballot if he so desired.
"His grandmother in Kenya said he was born in Kenya and she was there and witnessed the birth," said Trump, reiterating a claim that has been proven false, as Vieira sat by silently.
Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
I am not one of the "birthers" that doesn't believe he was born in Hawaii, I am just saying that he hasn't "proven" it. The document released does not show a place of birth, and there are plenty of hypothetical situations where he could have been born elsewhere and still received that particular document, and published birth announcement. And, to date, no one has "vetted" him, and those that have tried have usually either retracted, resigned, or just fallen out of the news.
In all likelihood, he was probably a home birth, and there were few witnesses, and they are now dead from old age. Occam would say that is the simplest and most likely scenario, but no one can say for certain the "home birth" occurred in Hawaii.
As for my documentation, I had to undergo a thorough FBI background check that demanded my original birth certificate including a doctor and a hospitals name, and even that was verified by an investigator calling some of my family, friends, neighbors, and teachers to verify the information I provided. I am 100% certain that nobody on the Secret Service would have gotten hired with the documentation Obama has provided publicly. It just isn't sufficient for a high level government job, but elected officials are a different story.
Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
I am not one of the "birthers" that doesn't believe he was born in Hawaii, I am just saying that he hasn't "proven" it. The document released does not show a place of birth, and there are plenty of hypothetical situations where he could have been born elsewhere and still received that particular document, and published birth announcement. And, to date, no one has "vetted" him, and those that have tried have usually either retracted, resigned, or just fallen out of the news.
In all likelihood, he was probably a home birth, and there were few witnesses, and they are now dead from old age. Occam would say that is the simplest and most likely scenario, but no one can say for certain the "home birth" occurred in Hawaii.
As for my documentation, I had to undergo a thorough FBI background check that demanded my original birth certificate including a doctor and a hospitals name, and even that was verified by an investigator calling some of my family, friends, neighbors, and teachers to verify the information I provided. I am 100% certain that nobody on the Secret Service would have gotten hired with the documentation Obama has provided publicly. It just isn't sufficient for a high level government job, but elected officials are a different story.
ETA: After re-reading your post...I think you are talking about the location as the hospital he was born at. And you are right that it doesn't have that information. But honestly, I don't know if mine has that information on it either, the one I have used in the past. I will have to dig it out and look at it sometime.
In most cases, a mother of a young baby could go into a SS or state office, provide a statement, and maybe a little corroboration from a midwife or family member or another witness, and they would get a certificate similar to Obama's. It isn't really proof of anything, except that she followed the protocol of the time. It was common then for homebirths, and still is. More than likely, there is no "long form" in existence, and that is why it wasn't released. That isn't a negative thing, it just needs to be acknowledged and explained so that people will stop making assumptions.
