Creation. Why?

Life is a miracle, and never ceases to amaze me. So what would the point be in creating life? Well to answer that question, as a living organism, you have to first look at your abilities, and what you are useful for. We're born, we grow, we learn, we get jobs, we create more life, and we die. In between all that, just look around at what humans are capable of. We can build massive structures to serve our purposes, we invent technology to make things easier for us, we have created weapons to serve us in annihilating each other, we were born to create things. We harbor qualities of love and intelligence which are forces to be reckoned with. We are powerful beings created by the universe.

We're here in this universe to just be us. Being us, and doing what we do, and learning what we learn is why we were created. We are the universe observing itself. We learn about the universe. We love the universe. When you love your husband, wife, children, etc. you are loving the universe. We are not separate from it.

Could there have been a universe without life? Sure. But if a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it does it make a sound? There's no point in a universe without a universe being observed. We, as the observers, are in every moment giving the universe a purpose, just by being aware of it. In fact, if the tree doesn't make a sound, then by observing the universe, we collectively create it in every moment. Without us observers, the universe might as well not even exist.

Being as much of a part of this universe as we are, it is a reasonable conclusion to say that we, as the universe that we are, created ourselves. This is how there is life after death. The universe is not separate from life and life is not separate from the universe. As long as there is a universe there is life, and as long as you are part of the universe, you will live.

With this perception, it is easy to see how God is within, and heaven is with God and heaven is within. The God within is even prevalently obvious. As the creative universe, you as a human being too have been given creative abilities. It's just natural for a complex living organism to adapt such qualities. The more complex we evolve to be, the greater our creative abilities become.

Diving deeper, we can now pose the question, "Well why was the universe created in the first place?" I think it's because it didn't have a choice. Without the universe, there is nothing, but even nothing is something. But for the nothing to be aware that is was something, it would have had to be alive right? Absolutely. So basically you have an infinite space of infinite possibilities, then you have pure living awareness without form. This is the most beautiful, peaceful, loving realm you can't imagine right here and can easily be attributed to God, as this vast ocean of pure life is infinite. This formless life being aware as it was has made the decision to experience itself in great detail, and examine its own infinity, and here we are. The Universe. We are the infinite realm of pure life focused into single entities with narrow minds so that we might learn specific attributes of ourselves as the universe in greater detail.

Unless you just want to believe that we were created to get saved by Jesus.
DISCLAIMER: I actually believe in Jesus, but the bible has been manipulated.

How can you start this little speach my saying you don't know if there is God?!?

Looks to me like you understand God quite well...

i would even add, better then most.

Good read, I think you're fairly spot on there, read 'Being Human' by Martin H. Ball; he explores your ideas with some more detailed mechanics and observational tools thrown in to compile a theory of everything.

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your on the right track,however i would also like to add that i think we also are born here because when we die we dont feel anything at all and come here to feel something,even if its pain and suffering its still feeling something when otherwise your lacking any feeling,im sure your conscious but you remain objection less and in total understanding,complete and at one with peace as the universe is all just energy

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The text of The Bible can be and has been also proved Through Numeric's!

The authenticity of the Holy Bible has been attacked at regular intervals by athiests and theologians alike but none have explained away the mathematical seal beneath its surface.

It would seem the divine hand has moved to prevent counterfeiting in the pages of the Bible in a similar manner to the line that runs through paper money. Bible numerics appears to be God's watermark of authenticity.

Vital research on this numeric seal was completed by a native of the world's most renowned atheistic nation, Russia. Dr Ivan Panin was born in Russia on Dec 12, 1855. As a young man he was an active nihilist and participated in plots against the Czar and his government. He was a mathematical genius who died a Harvard scholar and a citizen of the United States in 1942.

Panin was exiled from Russia. After spending a number of years studying in Germany he went to the United States where he became an outstanding lecturer on literary criticism.

Panin was known as a firm agnostic - so well known that when he discarded his agnosticism and accepted the Christian faith, the newspapers carried headlines telling of his conversion.

It was in 1890 that Dr Panin made the discovery of the mathematical structure underlining the vocabulary of the Greek New Testament. He was casually reading the first verse of the gospel of John in the Greek: "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with the God and the Word was God...".

Dr Panin was curious as to why the Greek word for "the"' preceeded the word "God"' in one case and not the other. In examining the text he became aware of a number relationship. This was the first of the discoveries that led to his conversion and uncovewww.wordworx.co.nz... the extensive numeric code.

Dr Panin found his proof in the some of the oldest and most accurate manuscripts - the Received Hebrew Text and the Westcott and Hort Text.

In the original languages of the Bible, mostly Hebrew and Greek, there are no separate symbols for numbers, letters of the alphabet are also used to indicate numbers.

The numeric value of a word is the sum total of all its letters. It was curiosity that first caused Dr Panin to begin toying with the numbers behind the texts. Sequences and patterns began to emerge. These created such a stirring in the heart of the Russian that he dedicated 50 years of his life to painstakingly comb the pages of the Bible.

This complex system of numbering visibly and invisibly saturates every book of the scriptures emphasising certain passages and illustrating deeper or further meaning in types and shadows. The 66 books of the Bible 39 in the Old and 27 in the New were written by 33 different people.

Those authors were scattered throughout various countries of the world and from widely different backgrounds. Many of them had little or no schooling. The whole Bible was written over a period of 1500 years with a 400 year silence apart from the Apocrypha between the two testaments. Despite the handicaps the biblical books are found to be a harmonious record, each in accord with the other.


www.theomatics.com... (TESTED 100%)

why did you ruin that by adding god to it?? just kills the deep meaning behind it. so sad.
I really wish we could move on from believing invisible beings in the sky and onto the natural forces that rule the universe. why does it have to always be something intelligent that created it, why can't you understand it's just ALWAYS been. there was no beginning and there will never be a end.

Originally posted by yourmaker
why can't you understand it's just ALWAYS been. there was no beginning and there will never be a end.

Within the laws of physics which define our reality, that is an irrational statement. It hasn't "always" been -- we just don't know what it was before it was. And it won't last forever -- we just don't know what will happen when entropy runs its course and it is no longer.

The question of "why" can (and should) be applied to much more than just creation. Rather than considering the "how" of evolution or thermodynamics or string theory or human emotions or mathematics, consider the "why" of it, because that's a far more interesting question.

"Pi" is 3.1415926 (rounded). It always has been that, always will be that, and is the same here as it is 3 billion light years away. Humans didn't "invent" it, they discovered something that was eternal and had been sitting there, waiting to be discovered, for billions of years. And for billions of years after the last human being has died off, it will continue to equal that value, and those billions of years are an insignificant fraction of the time that Pi will exist.

Why is Pi 3.1415926?

That's a "why" question that you can speculate on, but you'll never find the answer to.

Originally posted by yourmaker
why did you ruin that by adding god to it?? just kills the deep meaning behind it. so sad.
I really wish we could move on from believing invisible beings in the sky and onto the natural forces that rule the universe. why does it have to always be something intelligent that created it, why can't you understand it's just ALWAYS been. there was no beginning and there will never be a end.

I think you're misunderstanding me. I'm not saying God is any being, I only said the quality of infinite life from the nothing that discovered it was something is what could be CALLED God. I believe "God" is a natural force. In other words, I agree completely with you.

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by yourmaker
why can't you understand it's just ALWAYS been. there was no beginning and there will never be a end.

Within the laws of physics which define our reality, that is an irrational statement. It hasn't "always" been -- we just don't know what it was before it was. And it won't last forever -- we just don't know what will happen when entropy runs its course and it is no longer.

The question of "why" can (and should) be applied to much more than just creation. Rather than considering the "how" of evolution or thermodynamics or string theory or human emotions or mathematics, consider the "why" of it, because that's a far more interesting question.

"Pi" is 3.1415926 (rounded). It always has been that, always will be that, and is the same here as it is 3 billion light years away. Humans didn't "invent" it, they discovered something that was eternal and had been sitting there, waiting to be discovered, for billions of years. And for billions of years after the last human being has died off, it will continue to equal that value, and those billions of years are an insignificant fraction of the time that Pi will exist.

Why is Pi 3.1415926?

That's a "why" question that you can speculate on, but you'll never find the answer to.

If you're saying that the Universe hasn't always been and won't always be which I'm sure you can prove, then it is reasonable speculation to say that perhaps there were other universes before this one and will be more after.

Assuming "God" is that realm of infinite creative living light, that exists because it was inevitable due to the concept of nothing actually being something, you now can see exactly who the devil is too.

The devil is the force of destruction. The devil is the force that can't cope with the fact that nothing is something, and therefore exists to make something nothing again. This of course is impossible, but it can be perceived, albeit it incorrectly, to be possible. It's exactly why when you get very pissed off and fight someone, # gets broken, including your opponents bones and pride. It is that destructive force carrying out its will through you, as the universe, to make the something nothing again. You are the universe and are therefore subject to its "forces".

Basically, something came from nothing and that something was God. Actually, there was probably never "nothing" to begin with, as the possibility for something always existed which is something which would make the agenda of the destructive force (the devil) a lost cause.

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So maybe the Bible is real. Does that make what I said untrue? The knowledge I have presented did not come from the Bible. The Bible came from this knowledge.

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The Big Bang is the dominant (and highly supported) theory of the origin of the universe. In essence, this theory states that the universe began from an initial point or singularity which has expanded over billions of years to form the universe as we now know it.

Genesis 1:1 in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

John 1
1IN THE beginning [before all time] was the Word ( Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God [ Himself.

2He was present originally with God.

3All things were made and came into existence through Him; and without Him was not even one thing made that has come into being.

4In Him was Life, and the Life was the Light of men.

5And the Light shines on in the darkness, for the darkness has never overpowered it [put it out or absorbed it or appropriated it, and is unreceptive to it].


Worthy are You, our Lord and God, to receive the glory and the honor and dominion, for You created all things; by Your will they were [brought into being] and were created. Revelation 4:11


Col 1:17-18
17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

Heb 1:3
who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power ,

In these verses we see that all things have their origin in and are presently sustained by the Word of God. All of Creation came into being through the Word. All of Creation is currently upheld by the Word.

God spoke and from nothing everthing came. This is miraculous don’t you think? All that appeared in that moment owes the continuance of its existences to the continuing reality of the Word. Is this any less miraculous? In fact, it is in the exact same category – existence resulting from the voice of God. Want to see more miracles? Consider that your very existence and the existence of the material world in which you live are both miracles.

By faith we understand that the worlds [during the successive ages] were framed (fashioned, put in order, and equipped for their intended purpose) by the word of God, so that what we see was not made out of things which are visible.Hebrews 11:3

But without faith it is impossible to please and be satisfactory to Him. For whoever would come near to God must [necessarily] believe that God exists and that He is the rewarder of those who earnestly and diligently seek Him [out]. Hebrews 11:6

The bottom line = FAITH. People need to be connected To (GOD) Through Faith. Then through spiritual fellowship with GOD... Their Faith will Grow and Then They Will Have More Understanding!


GOD IS LOVE! And We Should Learn To Love Other's... (This is a daily process and We need The Holy Spirit's Help EveryDay)

NOT Religion, But RELATIONSHIP!

Originally posted by Faith2011
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The Big Bang is the dominant (and highly supported) theory of the origin of the universe. In essence, this theory states that the universe began from an initial point or singularity which has expanded over billions of years to form the universe as we now know it.

Genesis 1:1 in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

John 1
1IN THE beginning [before all time] was the Word ( Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God [ Himself.

2He was present originally with God.

3All things were made and came into existence through Him; and without Him was not even one thing made that has come into being.

4In Him was Life, and the Life was the Light of men.

5And the Light shines on in the darkness, for the darkness has never overpowered it [put it out or absorbed it or appropriated it, and is unreceptive to it].


Worthy are You, our Lord and God, to receive the glory and the honor and dominion, for You created all things; by Your will they were [brought into being] and were created. Revelation 4:11


Col 1:17-18
17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

Heb 1:3
who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power ,

In these verses we see that all things have their origin in and are presently sustained by the Word of God. All of Creation came into being through the Word. All of Creation is currently upheld by the Word.

God spoke and from nothing everthing came. This is miraculous don’t you think? All that appeared in that moment owes the continuance of its existences to the continuing reality of the Word. Is this any less miraculous? In fact, it is in the exact same category – existence resulting from the voice of God. Want to see more miracles? Consider that your very existence and the existence of the material world in which you live are both miracles.

By faith we understand that the worlds [during the successive ages] were framed (fashioned, put in order, and equipped for their intended purpose) by the word of God, so that what we see was not made out of things which are visible.Hebrews 11:3

But without faith it is impossible to please and be satisfactory to Him. For whoever would come near to God must [necessarily] believe that God exists and that He is the rewarder of those who earnestly and diligently seek Him [out]. Hebrews 11:6

The bottom line = FAITH. People need to be connected To (GOD) Through Faith. Then through spiritual fellowship with GOD... Their Faith will Grow and Then They Will Have More Understanding!


GOD IS LOVE! And We Should Learn To Love Other's... (This is a daily process and We need The Holy Spirit's Help EveryDay)

NOT Religion, But RELATIONSHIP!

I totally agree with everything you say except I am having a hard time understanding the part about "the word".

I like this part: "In Him was Life, and the Life was the Light of men." because this is a quote that I expect most people would have a hard time really comprehending. How does life=light? Because out of the darkness of nothing came to be an awareness of the nothing, and the awareness was and is alive. So you have two things, dark nothing, and life. The living awareness that came into being was so different from the dark nothing that it is only natural for it to be light. When there exists only two things, they are essentially complete opposites. In conclusion, you have two things, dark nothing (the first), then the living vibrant life/light. At this point in time these are the only two things in creation therefore they are complete opposites. The life takes on the quality of light because light is and always has been that opposite of darkness.

I saw an angel one time who had a brilliant aura of bright white light emanating off her body. The light contained pure life of which I was unable to stand in the presence of for more than a few seconds. The light was intense, I could feel and see it. The quality of the life in this light was unmistakeable AND more alive than anything I have ever imagined. Nothing compares.

What people don't know and may not figure out for a long time is that we have the potential to possess this light. Being life, and life being light, it is inevitable and actually, in a higher dimension we do possess this light. We are angels unaware and untrained to harness the fullness of life.

What exactly was the "word"?
What is your interpretation of "the word"?

Some things in the Bible are hard for me as a logical person to take literally, and I have a very open mind. I would be really small-minded if I believed that a "word" created the universe. What word was it?

The only word I can think of that would suffice would have been "I am?", which is two words. However, I don't think it applies to the context of the scripture. So what then is "the word"?

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So what then is "the word"?

I believe that the Word refers to the spiritual sound current, unstruck melody, or audible life stream, which emanated from God and which sustains all of creation.

It is called the word of God because that is essentially what it is, the spoken word of God, though not the “word" as in any spoken or written language.

You need to remember that you are created in God's image. This is not the image of looks, but potential of reflection. For God to create anything, He is required to create something at least a degree less (imperfection) than Himself, or the creation would just be a copy of Himself in perfection. God is One not two. God and His creation are one thing together, not two or trillions. The paradox is the fact that God can Create anything since there is nothing outside of God. In other words, no materials to use but Himself. Accordingly, we are a construct of thought (consciousness). In the only metaphor we can use, God is projecting us into a reality that is real to us but thought to Himself. It is an illusion, but not to us. This is our reality. It is a quantum dynamics model. As above, so below. As below, so above. See the Emerald Tablet or the Corpus Hermeticum.

Keep in mind that God cannot create Himself, so we are less than His image. We are not just one degree less, we are chaos brought into order. When you are born, you have what you start with. From there, you are pure potential. Nothing to something only lacks potential in the middle. This potential expands the infinity of potential existence in the mind of God. What you uniquely create as the image of God was not there before you used your mind to create it. Sin is the creation of what is contrary to faith, hope and love. These three are the aims of creation. Christ said as much. In 1 Corinthians 13 we see the point of it all.

Don't doubt the Bible. It has been verified as authentic. It is entirely unique to all other books in the world. It predicts the future accurately and is a historical record of the struggles we have come through. Don't be confused, though, about the Bible. It is not the word of God. Christ is the Word of God. The Bible is an image of the word of God. Imperfect. Christ came as the living Word in perfection. If you look at the Bible, you will see man in the image it projects. If you only look at the image of man in the Bible, you will likely miss God standing right there beside mankind, carrying us through the worst of our imperfect natures. We are pure potential and God is there presiding over our development. This is the purpose of Creation. God is our good Father (Light of the world). His Son is the Word (John 1). Together, they Created us. Light and wave, particle duality. It's all there in the Bible.

Originally posted by smithjustinb
Life is a miracle, and never ceases to amaze me. So what would the point be in creating life? Well to answer that question, as a living organism, you have to first look at your abilities, and what you are useful for. We're born, we grow, we learn, we get jobs, we create more life, and we die. In between all that, just look around at what humans are capable of. We can build massive structures to serve our purposes, we invent technology to make things easier for us, we have created weapons to serve us in annihilating each other, we were born to create things. We harbor qualities of love and intelligence which are forces to be reckoned with. We are powerful beings created by the universe.

We're here in this universe to just be us. Being us, and doing what we do, and learning what we learn is why we were created. We are the universe observing itself. We learn about the universe. We love the universe. When you love your husband, wife, children, etc. you are loving the universe. We are not separate from it.

Could there have been a universe without life? Sure. But if a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it does it make a sound? There's no point in a universe without a universe being observed. We, as the observers, are in every moment giving the universe a purpose, just by being aware of it. In fact, if the tree doesn't make a sound, then by observing the universe, we collectively create it in every moment. Without us observers, the universe might as well not even exist.

Being as much of a part of this universe as we are, it is a reasonable conclusion to say that we, as the universe that we are, created ourselves. This is how there is life after death. The universe is not separate from life and life is not separate from the universe. As long as there is a universe there is life, and as long as you are part of the universe, you will live.

With this perception, it is easy to see how God is within, and heaven is with God and heaven is within. The God within is even prevalently obvious. As the creative universe, you as a human being too have been given creative abilities. It's just natural for a complex living organism to adapt such qualities. The more complex we evolve to be, the greater our creative abilities become.

Diving deeper, we can now pose the question, "Well why was the universe created in the first place?" I think it's because it didn't have a choice. Without the universe, there is nothing, but even nothing is something. But for the nothing to be aware that is was something, it would have had to be alive right? Absolutely. So basically you have an infinite space of infinite possibilities, then you have pure living awareness without form. This is the most beautiful, peaceful, loving realm you can't imagine right here and can easily be attributed to God, as this vast ocean of pure life is infinite. This formless life being aware as it was has made the decision to experience itself in great detail, and examine its own infinity, and here we are. The Universe. We are the infinite realm of pure life focused into single entities with narrow minds so that we might learn specific attributes of ourselves as the universe in greater detail.

Unless you just want to believe that we were created to get saved by Jesus.

DISCLAIMER: I actually believe in Jesus, but the bible has been manipulated.

edit on 31-3-2011 by smithjustinb because: Contradiction.

Originally posted by smithjustinb
If you're saying that the Universe hasn't always been and won't always be which I'm sure you can prove, then it is reasonable speculation to say that perhaps there were other universes before this one and will be more after.

Cosmological observations don't "prove" the Big Bang, but they come close enough that it would be unwise to postulate something else (apart from divine creation "in place", which would also account for the same existence of evidence,) and entropy (Second Law of Thermodynamics) proves that the Universe won't be around forever, so I'm not sure why you're arguing those points.

Sure, you can speculate that there was a Universe before this one, or two, or a million, but there cannot be an infinite number of them previously (though there can, theoretically, be an infinite number AFTER this one.) The trouble of applying the concept of an eternal being (God) to the Universe is that the being has the benefit of being "outside" of the creation, so saying that he is eternal, but the Universe is not, is not a contradiction. But to say that the Universe is eternal, when observations show that it is not, becomes a problem that our current understanding of physics cannot resolve.

Again, you're wrapping yourself up in the "how" of these issues, when it's far more interesting to wonder "why". We understand entropy pretty well, and it's a big old bummer about it meaning the end of all existence at some point, but why does this have to be? No matter how good evolution and natural selection makes something, no matter how close to perfection it can come, the Second Law of Thermodynamics says that, in this reality, it is doomed to failure.

Why?

Creation. Why?
For something to do. For fun and enjoyment.

The only reasonable response therefore, is good humor. Good natured good humor. Without that, we are not and cannot be creative.

Creative play is the very stuff of life.

Look in the mirror. Are you too serious?

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The purpose is to feel the pleasure of connection (love, appreciation, freedom, joy). Everything is eternal energy and this is the natural state of that. Some may call it spirit, soul, or God. We live so that we can seek connection, when we die, we are instantly connected, then we are born again, and we seek connection and it goes on and on for the pleasure of it all. The universe loves expansion.

Originally posted by smithjustinb
What exactly was the "word"?
What is your interpretation of "the word"?

Not mine, exactly (though I don't think I'd disagree with it,) but ironically enough, I ran across St. Augustine of Hippo's description today. God is, for the most part, incomprehensible to us. We don't understand him because, honestly, we just can't -- he's beyond our ability to comprehend. The Word, who existed before Christ came into the world, became incarnate in Jesus, and continues to exist with the Father, is the comprehensible part of God. It is the aspect of God that we can sense, and we can understand and interact with.

In the latter part of the fifteen volume book On The Trinity, Augustine speculated that instances in the Old Testament where God was reported to be interacting with the Jews (like the burning bush,) were occasions where The Word was doing the heavy lifting, but he ultimately determined that scripture didn't really give enough information to come to a defensible conclusion.

Originally posted by SuperiorEd

You need to remember that you are created in God's image. This is not the image of looks, but potential of reflection. For God to create anything, He is required to create something at least a degree less (imperfection) than Himself, or the creation would just be a copy of Himself in perfection. God is One not two. God and His creation are one thing together, not two or trillions. The paradox is the fact that God can Create anything since there is nothing outside of God. In other words, no materials to use but Himself. Accordingly, we are a construct of thought (consciousness). In the only metaphor we can use, God is projecting us into a reality that is real to us but thought to Himself. It is an illusion, but not to us. This is our reality. It is a quantum dynamics model. As above, so below. As below, so above. See the Emerald Tablet or the Corpus Hermeticum.

Keep in mind that God cannot create Himself, so we are less than his image. We are not just one degree less, we are chaos brought into order. When you are born, you have what you start with. From there, you are pure potential. Nothing to something only lacks potential in the middle. This potential expands the infinity of potential existence in the mind of God. What you uniquely create as the image of God was not there before you used your mind to create it. Sin is the creation of what is contrary to faith, hope and love. These three are the aims of creation. Christ said as much. In 1 Corinthians 13 we see the point of it all.

Don't doubt the Bible. It has been verified as authentic. It is entirely unique to all other books in the world. It predicts the future accurately and is a historical record of the struggles we have come through. Don't be confused, though, about the Bible. It is not the word of God. Christ is the Word of God. The Bible is an image of the word of God. Imperfect. Christ came as the living Word in perfection. If you look at the Bible, you will see man in the image it projects. If you only look at the image of man in the Bible, you will likely miss God standing right there beside mankind, carrying us through the worst of our imperfect natures. We are pure potential and God is there presiding over our development. This is the purpose of Creation. God is our good Father (Light of the world). His Son is the Word (John 1). Together, they Created us. Light and wave, particle duality. It's all there in the Bible.

Originally posted by smithjustinb
Life is a miracle, and never ceases to amaze me. So what would the point be in creating life? Well to answer that question, as a living organism, you have to first look at your abilities, and what you are useful for. We're born, we grow, we learn, we get jobs, we create more life, and we die. In between all that, just look around at what humans are capable of. We can build massive structures to serve our purposes, we invent technology to make things easier for us, we have created weapons to serve us in annihilating each other, we were born to create things. We harbor qualities of love and intelligence which are forces to be reckoned with. We are powerful beings created by the universe.

We're here in this universe to just be us. Being us, and doing what we do, and learning what we learn is why we were created. We are the universe observing itself. We learn about the universe. We love the universe. When you love your husband, wife, children, etc. you are loving the universe. We are not separate from it.

Could there have been a universe without life? Sure. But if a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it does it make a sound? There's no point in a universe without a universe being observed. We, as the observers, are in every moment giving the universe a purpose, just by being aware of it. In fact, if the tree doesn't make a sound, then by observing the universe, we collectively create it in every moment. Without us observers, the universe might as well not even exist.

Being as much of a part of this universe as we are, it is a reasonable conclusion to say that we, as the universe that we are, created ourselves. This is how there is life after death. The universe is not separate from life and life is not separate from the universe. As long as there is a universe there is life, and as long as you are part of the universe, you will live.

With this perception, it is easy to see how God is within, and heaven is with God and heaven is within. The God within is even prevalently obvious. As the creative universe, you as a human being too have been given creative abilities. It's just natural for a complex living organism to adapt such qualities. The more complex we evolve to be, the greater our creative abilities become.

Diving deeper, we can now pose the question, "Well why was the universe created in the first place?" I think it's because it didn't have a choice. Without the universe, there is nothing, but even nothing is something. But for the nothing to be aware that is was something, it would have had to be alive right? Absolutely. So basically you have an infinite space of infinite possibilities, then you have pure living awareness without form. This is the most beautiful, peaceful, loving realm you can't imagine right here and can easily be attributed to God, as this vast ocean of pure life is infinite. This formless life being aware as it was has made the decision to experience itself in great detail, and examine its own infinity, and here we are. The Universe. We are the infinite realm of pure life focused into single entities with narrow minds so that we might learn specific attributes of ourselves as the universe in greater detail.

Unless you just want to believe that we were created to get saved by Jesus.

DISCLAIMER: I actually believe in Jesus, but the bible has been manipulated.

edit on 31-3-2011 by smithjustinb because: Contradiction.

I do know God created man in his image. It IS physical appearance as well as inner qualities and our essence. God is light. Light IS his image. Look at the human form. The physical source of light in the Universe is a star. A star consists of a black hole at the center, a ball of fire, and rays of light. In a fractal manner, the human eye looks like a star. Black hole (pupil), Ball of light (iris), Rays of light (eyelashes). This is not the only physical attribute that is analogous to light. The stars beam light to planets to create and provide for living beings. Our hands (which are oddly reminiscent of beams of light (fingers)) create things for us. In this analogy, you can speculate that maybe we were created FOR stars (more accurately, for the universe which was created for God.) Even sex is a process analogous to the universe. So you see, we are designed to BE the universe (in God's image). Not only do we have these physical similarities, but in a higher dimension (which we are existing in simultaneously with this one), we possess a brilliant aura of light around our bodies that emanate a pure infinite quality of life and love (peace, joy, beauty, etc.). Some of these claims you and/or most people will have a hard time believing I'm sure, but I speak from a place of wisdom and experience, and if you trust me to tell you the truth, my claims are valid (if you believe in inner wisdom and don't attribute my experiences to delusions or hallucinations).