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posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 11:57 PM
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quickly logging in just to post this...

reuters news article stating japanese public opinion polls show considerable criticism & lack of faith in their government...


TOKYO, April 18 (Reuters) - Most Japanese want a new prime minister to lead the massive rebuilding needed after last month's earthquake and tsunami, newspaper polls showed on Monday, as the head of government was again scolded in parliament for his handling of the disaster.


link - www.reuters.com...

once again, thanks to all who spend time & effort on this thread




posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 11:58 PM
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I certainly cannot disagree with how you feel BK, but at least in the form of airborne particulate matter there has been a significant drop in many readings on the site I've been monitoring all along.

It has no government affiliation (at least none I am aware of) www.radiationnetwork.com...



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 11:58 PM
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Originally posted by jjjtir
Associated Press - Officials: No nuclear risk to North Pacific fish

www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread690655/pg1


Yeah, I saw that one too.

Looks like there will be a new reality show out soon: Grocery Shopping with Geiger Counters.

And guess what, we're all contestants.

Grand Prize: You get to live (a little longer than others).



posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 12:00 AM
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Originally posted by hack2011
Wow, the Japanese government must be good at brain washing, these people still think they can go back to their homes within 50 miles of the plant!!!! I looked over tepco's long term plan, I do not think they even mentioned removing the top soil and replacing it with fresh soil and these people think they can go back and live there?


They can have sandcastle building contests at night because the beach will be glowing.



posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 12:09 AM
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Originally posted by notsofunnyguy

Originally posted by hack2011
Wow, the Japanese government must be good at brain washing, these people still think they can go back to their homes within 50 miles of the plant!!!! I looked over tepco's long term plan, I do not think they even mentioned removing the top soil and replacing it with fresh soil and these people think they can go back and live there?


They can have sandcastle building contests at night because the beach will be glowing.


You'll get in trouble from the off topic remark police for that one LOL!

Japan briefs Saudi Arabia on status of troubled nuclear power plant






A senior Japanese industry ministry official briefed a Saudi minister on the status of the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant during his two-day visit to Saudi Arabia through Sunday.


Looks Like a "Stop Gouging oil prices and we won't pollute you with radioactive electronic korans" deal to me..



posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 12:20 AM
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Originally posted by DancedWithWolves
Lots and lots of data

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Like this thread, they caution that some of their conclusions are extrapolated from what information has been provided and remains to be confirmed. Boat load in that pdf presentation. Good recap.


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Right they SEEM TO BE a German non-profit that works very closely with various power companies and is the apparent source of Tepco's "scholar body", but some things are very conspicuously missing from their analysis, and they push very hard on the "tsunami caused all the damage button"

The first thing is the reactor 'end state' quoted is the reactor from TMI (page 48)( so Tepco is misquoting , or god forbid misreading, the report from the word 'go")and is there for comparison purposes , though I find it a bit misleading.
Score Tepco: FAIL

The next thing is that they say, " Reactor building explosion spectacular but of minor safety importance " (page26), I would have to disagree unless they are only meaning reactor 1, as three seems to be having some pretty explosion related safety issues ...structurally speaking along with 4, Again this is somewhat misleading

On page sixty they have self contradictory or at least confusing numbers listed for the amount of spent rods , It seems to imply the 2, 4, 5, and 6 pools have more rods than storage ( this is probably true but hard to discern from how it's listed).

On page 49 they have a chart for core materials break down progression , but it seems to imply only the existence of UO2 and not UO3 or any of the other myriad hypostoichiometric compounds. This is important because it implies that the di-oxide formation kept the core from being breached .

If I read it right they based this materials assumptions on the oxidizing / electrolysis theories of Professor David W. Shoesmith , but he seems to get lots of work in the nuclear field and links the CNSC's Mythbuster's page.

(Which has lovely quotes like this one: )

Myth: Fish, game and fruits harvested near operating uranium mines and mills are unsafe to eat. Fact: It is completely safe to consume fish, game and fruit from regions near operating uranium mines and mills. Ongoing monitoring has confirmed that releases near uranium mine and mill sites are barely detectable.


and the dependance on oxide 'shielding' is a bit forced as it seems Sandia National Labs points to :

Modeling of the chemical interactions of molten reactor fuel, molten cladding and molten steel is described. The reactions of molten zirconium cladding with fuel produces a hypostoichiometric phase with the idealized stoichiometry U(1-y)ZryO(2-x). Boron and carbon from control rods in the core can also react with uranium dioxide fuel to further reduce the stoichiometry of the U(1-y)ZryO(2-x) phase with respect to oxygen. The activity of uranium metal in the phase increases with increasing hypostoichiometry. Equilibration of this oxide phase with a metal phase such as steel from the reactor internals or from the reactor pressure vessel leads to a transfer of uranium metal from the oxide phase to the metal phase and can make the metal phase more dense than the oxide phase. Attack on metal structures by the molten metallic phase is enhanced by both the exothermic heat of mixing and the convection induced by buoyancy of eroded metal


" Equilibration of this oxide phase with a metal phase such as steel from the reactor internals or from the reactor pressure vessel leads to a transfer of uranium metal from the oxide phase to the metal phase and can make the metal phase more dense than the oxide phase." An important point when trying to determine if a core breach happened , and again a bit misleading

but

I kind of slipped the VGB powertech guys down a notch when I noticed this on page 69 from the IAEA:



a.c. power ? yes plus control room light.

But in their defense on page 22 they do say , duh tsnumani over ten meters is a once every thirty years thing in japan so why did you build your plant this close to sea level:



And are asking some of the right questions on page 73

And Zorgon I believe the flashing from that building is some kind of control equipment for the seawater pumps , probably arcing out when they tried to start it to clear the water out of the cable trenches ( maybe an automatic thing)
And if the diagram from VGB is correct the wave doused that building and also seems to have been high enough to have submerged the torus'


edit on 18-4-2011 by Silverlok because: nd it's that simple really



posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 12:25 AM
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Originally posted by notsofunnyguy

Originally posted by hack2011
Wow, the Japanese government must be good at brain washing, these people still think they can go back to their homes within 50 miles of the plant!!!! I looked over tepco's long term plan, I do not think they even mentioned removing the top soil and replacing it with fresh soil and these people think they can go back and live there?


They can have sandcastle building contests at night because the beach will be glowing.


I think it was mentioned much earlier in this vine that Japanese people are very humble and conservative towards their leaders. When I was there when I was a lot younger I found myself emulating their courteous gestures because they treated me very humbly being a foreigner in their country, which surprised them especially when they realized I was learning their language without using their ideograms just using sounds as I picked them up, and reading a simple language textbook.

Actually from what I know of them personally as a race, they would probably prefer to laugh than be afraid knowing the end was coming; if in fact it is.

Just my thought ramblings...

Another one just came to mind: from every ending there is a new beginning.



posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 12:25 AM
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Well with china building gobs of nuclear reactors everyday and most of America stewing in it's own waste pool over-flow wonder land , it appears that we will be leaving the planet to the insects SO I would image really big ones who for some reason really like giant posts, a lot.



posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 12:30 AM
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Originally posted by Silverlok
And Zorgon I believe the flashing from that building is some kind of control equipment for the seawater pumps , probably arcing out when they tried to start it to clear the water out of the cable trenches ( maybe an automatic thing)
As if the diagram from VGB is correct the wave doused that building and also seems to have been high enough to have submerged the torus'


Okay thanks...

UPDATE
Radiation readings from Robots...




Workers cannot approach reactor buildings


At the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, high levels of radiation have kept workers from approaching the buildings housing the first 3 reactors, which lost their cooling functions in the March 11th earthquake and tsunami.

On Friday, the highest radiation level measured outside the double-entry doors of the Number 1 to 3 reactor buildings was 2 to 4 millisieverts per hour.

Radiation levels measured between the double doors of those reactor buildings was 270 millisieverts in the Number One reactor, 12 in Number 2, and 10 in Number 3.
The radiation level detected at the Number One reactor exceeds the national exposure limit of 250 millisieverts for nuclear contract workers.

Tokyo Electric Power Company, TEPCO, has started using a remote-controlled robot inside the reactor buildings.

But issues remain as radioactive water has been found in turbine buildings and the utility tunnel outside the reactors.

At the Number 2 reactor, the level of highly contaminated water in the tunnel is still rising. To prevent overflow, TEPCO is stepping up the inspection of the nuclear waste processing facility, to which it aims to transfer contaminated water.

Underground water at the plant is also contaminated.
On Wednesday, the level of radioactive substances sharply increased at facilities where underground water from the Number 1 and 2 reactors is collected.

On Friday, workers kept on monitoring the situation.
They say the level of radioactive substances has stabilized or decreased in every reactor from 1 to 6.

So they say it's unlikely that highly radioactive water is still seeping into underground water.

Monday, April 18, 2011 08:44 +0900 (JST)


www3.nhk.or.jp...


Hmmm seems a little contradiction in numbers here
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posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 01:17 AM
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The next time "they" call up asking you to get home delivery of the
your town times or whatever, site their coverage of Japan and the nuclear
crisis as the basis for your lack of trust and sense of dis-service by their
choice of what is, vital news

The cable company, say you canceled it because fox cnn etc
and "network news" provides no actual relevant information to your
household. You already get calls from all the papers

How 1/3 of the planetary economy can fall off the face of the earth
with animals, farmers, orphans, science stuff, earthquakes, its like a lost episode
how its not the story of the century I can not understand, without resorting to
conspiracy theory. Anyway ... thanks to the entire thread



posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 04:24 AM
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www.opednews.com...


Alarming New Fukushima Reports

Five weeks after Japan's disaster, reports suggest worse, not improved conditions. It portends serious regional and global trouble ahead, besides what's already happened. 

On April 16, AP headlined, "Radioactivity Rises in Sea Off Japan Nuclear Plant," saying:

"Levels of radioactivity have risen sharply in seawater near (Fukushima), signaling the possibility of new leaks at the facility, the government said Saturday."


The important part:


On April 13, on Democracy Now, Physics Professor Michio Kaku called Fukushima reactors "ticking time bombs," saying Tokyo Electric (TEPCO) "has been in denial, trying to downplay the full impact of this nuclear disaster."

He explained a mathematical formula to determine an accident's level, saying this one "already released something on the order of 50,000 trillion becquerels of radiation," warranting a Level 7 rating.




How can they keep downplaying this?

Pred...
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posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 04:38 AM
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Originally posted by predator0187
How can they keep downplaying this?


Apathy... those not directly effected will move along to something else so if they keep saying everything is hunky dory long enough, people will latch on to it.

Sad but true... this will drag on for years... and only those in this thread will care in the long term.

Unless of course it gets suddenly worse..

Human nature...sigh....

TEPCO owns a lot more plants, they are probably all faulty and it wouldn't surprise me to find that they leak more than regulation. If TEPCO falls apart because of this (likely) who takes over to run those old relics?



posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 04:45 AM
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Really though, you have to be mental to not think 3 Chernobyl reactors is not bad. And they are going to be leaking for at least 9 months? Jesus...

Do you think this will affect Tokyo?

Pred...



posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 04:53 AM
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Originally posted by predator0187
Do you think this will affect Tokyo?


The winds will soon change direction... as monsoon season starts. It will depend on how much radiation is being released into the air for the winds to blow into Tokyo and the rain to wash it down. No way to tell yet, but that video I saw taken by that girl on a windy day... Toyko looked deserted... so I would say it already has some effect



posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 05:05 AM
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Geez, I have to read more about this, what direction do the winds go during monsoon season? Sorry to be annoying.


I know the majority of winds are headed west, and did not realize that they shifted during monsoon season.

I read somewhere (I think it was here) that 100+sV/h was coming out of the reactors, which is close to Chernobyl levels.

Scary stuff...

Pred...



posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 07:21 AM
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The Japan Nuclear Safety Commission has now proven itself to be a useless entity and is as guilty as TEPCO. This lack of response is disgusting and further evidence that the nuclear industry has no, nada, oversight. Trust is forever gone.

Japan Nuclear Safety Commission members arrive in Fukushima 37 days after quake




Members of the Japan Nuclear Safety Commission were dispatched to Fukushima Prefecture on April 17, more than a month after a massive quake and tsunami crippled a nuclear power plant in the prefecture.

Under the government's disaster prevention plans, members are supposed to go "immediately" in the event of a nuclear power plant accident. Commenting on the reason for their delayed arrival, a representative of the commission's secretariat explained that the commission had been busy following up inquiries from the government's disaster countermeasures headquarters and related government agencies.

Deputy Fukushima Gov. Masao Uchibori reported the members' arrival at a meeting of the prefecture's main office for disaster countermeasures on the evening of April 17.

"I talked with members for the first time on the 38th day from the day of the earthquake disaster. I told them to go to local areas, listen to victims and respond appropriately," he said.

Commission members, who were dispatched as specialists providing emergency technological advice to the government's local headquarters for nuclear disaster countermeasures, did not attend the meeting of the prefecture's main office for disaster countermeasures or meet with Fukushima Gov. Yuhei Sato -- a move that incurred his criticism.


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They only showed up on the scene after an article yesterday called them out for not responding immediately as they are required to do in an accident. Thirty-eight days later, they show up and do nothing. Criminal.



posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 07:41 AM
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Expert calls roadmap timeline and plan assumptions "ridiculous."


To bring about a cold shutdown within nine months, TEPCO's roadmap presumes that the pressure vessels of the No. 1, 2 and 3 reactors are sound and that the containment vessels other than that of the No. 2 reactor are all free of damage.

"These presumptions are in themselves ridiculous as they haven't been confirmed as facts. The plan is nothing but pie in the sky," lambasted Keiji Kobayashi, former instructor at Kyoto University Research Reactor Institute.

Furthermore, attempts to bring the crippled plant under control have been repeatedly suspended due to a spate of aftershocks affecting the region, prompting another expert to fear that a massive tsunami triggered by a possible ocean-trench earthquake could further delay restoration work.

"The plant could be hit by a massive tsunami topping several meters in height. Restoration work needs to proceed while taking heed of preventing a secondary disaster from happening," said Takashi Furumura, professor of seismology at the University of Tokyo's Earthquake Research Institute.


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As has been discovered and discussed in this thread (good job all), their timeline assumes the radiation levels are reduced before work can truly begin. I sincerely hope TEPCO and the government start sharing details about these plant's inner workings and possibly previously known and unreported problems so a better upfront plan can be developed (if it's even possible) to bring these radiation levels down and bring some hope to the situation. Based on what I have read, cracks in the shroud of all these units was a common and on-going problem.

TEPCO: Full and updated blueprints and true facts are needed by people around the world here and elsewhere trying to help you develop front-end plans. Your SHHTF. You need help. Open the gates (not the ones that were stuck open during the first day of the crisis.) Please.
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posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 08:23 AM
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Japan will restrict senior industry regulators from taking jobs at power companies, in response to criticism that the practice compromised safety and contributed to the country’s worst ever nuclear accident.

Yukio Edano, chief cabinet secretary, said the government would ask senior bureaucrats at the ministry of economy, trade and industry, which regulates the electricity sector, to temporarily refrain from taking posts at power companies “in order not to raise the public’s suspicions”.


However, it's only a "request"


Although it is only a request, the government expects the officials to avoid a practice that is known in other countries as the “revolving-door”, ....


Just so they can save "face" during this disaster.


The government said that once the situation at Fukushima Daiichi was under control, it would launch a more exhaustive review of Japan’s nuclear power industry and how it is monitored. But to restore public confidence, Mr Edano said it was essential to immediately put a block on senior bureaucrats from taking jobs at electric power companies.


Read the whole article at: Japan bars officials from utility jobs

Novel concept, I wish they would do that here in the States with the CDC and Vaccine companies.
edit on 4/18/2011 by Finalized because: Because I like pie



posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 08:31 AM
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Radioactive contamination around the world is an area we need help following.Anyone? There is growing mumbling about lack of real data that considers the cumulative impact of being exposed to radiation for the at least 6 to 9 months it is projected to take to bring these reactors under control.

Where are the cumulative projections of what this will mean as long-term exposure appears a sure thing?

There is much "vested interest" that would cause regulators to downplay impact because of economic and social "concern." None of us should assume that our governments will sound the alarms before they have to and we should continue to do our own research on radiation exposure from this unprecedented event. Tracking radiation levels gives us a one day snapshot on any given day. What are the cumulative affects of long-term exposure that the world is now facing? Some are starting to ask the tougher questions and finding gaps in the answers. Just something to be aware of as we focus on Japan. We are all connected by wind and water and transport.

San Francisco Rainwater: Radiation 181 Times Above US Drinking Water Standard Read more: www.businessinsider.com...




No Official Data Yet

Three weeks after the Fukushima nuclear power plant began spewing radiation into the world’s air, the US government has still not published any official data on nuclear fallout from the Fukushima meltdown. The amount of iodine-131 or other radioactive elements that have fallen as precipitation or made their way into milk supplies or drinking water has not yet been fully revealed. Scientists say an absence of federal data on the issue is hampering efforts to develop strategies for preventing radioactive isotopes from contaminating the nation's food and water. [The Bay Citizen, San Francisco]

Rising Risks

Fukushima radiation is blanketing most of the United States and Canada according to the data and visuals published regularly by the The Norwegian Institute of Air Research. The risks of that radiation falling with rain, have been downplayed by US government officials and others, who say its impacts are so fleeting and minor so as to be negligible. Nonetheless, radiation falling with rain can cover grass that is eaten by cows and other animals. It can also fall on food crops or contaminate reservoirs that are used for irrigation or drinking water. [Norwegian Institute of Air Research or NILU]

Food and Water Watch

Food and Water Watch -- the nonprofit Non-Governmental Organisation (NGO) based in Washington, DC -- sent a letter to President Barack Obama and members of his cabinet and Congress a few days ago urging the US federal government to improve its monitoring of radiation in agricultural land and food in the wake of the Japanese tragedy. The letter from "Food and Water Watch" states: “The three agencies that monitor almost all of the food Americans eat … have insisted that the US food supply is safe . . . the agencies, however, have done very little to detail specific ways in which they are responding to the threat of radiation in food.”

EPA and FDA

The federal Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) states in its April 3rd advisory, "As the Nuclear Regulatory Commission has said, we do not expect to see radiation at harmful levels reaching the US from damaged Japanese nuclear power plants." The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA), which regulates food safety, has referred questions about potential milk contamination to the EPA, which is taking the lead on testing dairy products for radiation. Early last week, the EPA said it expected to release results of tests for radioactivity in rain and snow within a day or so. Just before the weekend, three days after making that pledge, EPA officials repeated the same statement and said the data would likely be released over the weekend or early this week. So far that data set has not been released. [EPA]


Source

Not trying to raise an alert here - just saying the silence on long-term exposure is getting a little loud.

Published April 4.


DWW out for now. Sorry for the news blitz all.



posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 08:36 AM
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Originally posted by DancedWithWolves
Radioactive contamination around the world is an area we need help following.Anyone? There is growing mumbling about lack of real data that considers the cumulative impact of being exposed to radiation for the at least 6 to 9 months it is projected to take to bring these reactors under control.


I think I'm going to call my Congressman to register a "complaint". Probably won't help, but I can ask his office the hard questions.





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