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Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake

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posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 02:04 PM
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Interesting diagram of what is under Unit 2 from when shroud repair was done. There is another layer of piping under there and the area would have had to be excavated under the reactor or already open and accessible. A crack was discovered in 1994 in the shroud. Unit 5 was next in line for the same treatment according to documents. Adds a deeper layer.




Link to pdf description of process employed at #2 repair.

Unit 2 Shroud repair

Lots of room for radioactive water. I had no idea all those pipes for the temporary system were there.

ETA: Hydrogen injection has been ongoing since 1997 in ALL units at Fukushima. Same source. Cracks.
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posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by DancedWithWolves

Originally posted by Aponi
Radiation surges above 4's fuel pool


Radiation has risen to high levels above the spent-fuel pool at reactor No. 4 and its temperature is rising, the nuclear safety agency said Wednesday, indicating the fuel rods have been further damaged and emitting radioactive substances.



The radiation level 6 meters above the spent-fuel storage pool at the crippled Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant was measured at 84 millisieverts per hour Tuesday. Normally, it's 0.1 microsievert...



...Tokyo Electric Power Co. was unsure whether the surge in radiation was being caused by the spent fuel rods or radioactive material leaking from the reactor's pressure vessel.


Perhaps someone could explain to me why radioactive material would be leaking from a reactor that supposedly had all of its fuel rods removed in December 2010.

Awesome catch! We will see how long it takes them to say that was an error by the reporter.

And, the government called...they want you to TRUST them.


Greetings:


Radiation has risen to high levels above the spent-fuel pool at reactor No. 4 and its temperature is rising, the nuclear safety agency said Wednesday, indicating the fuel rods have been further damaged and emitting radioactive substances.

The radiation level 6 meters above the spent-fuel storage pool at the crippled Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant was measured at 84 millisieverts per hour Tuesday. Normally, it's 0.1 microsievert...

...Tokyo Electric Power Co. was unsure whether the surge in radiation was being caused by the spent fuel rods or radioactive material leaking from the reactor's pressure vessel.


Perhaps we have misinterpreted the information, but it seems that only the first paragraph was referring to reactor #4, where the fuel rods were reported to be in spent-fuel storage.

The next two paragraphs were referring to the spent-fuel pool at reactor #1; with paragraph #3 referring to paragraph #2 (reactor #1) "spent fuel rods or radioactive material leaking from reactor's pressure vessel" being two separate possible sources of the increased radiation (at reactor #1).

At least, that's the way we see it. Please enlighten if this is not in line with the ways things really are.

We hope this adds clarity to this single point on this fine thread.

In Peace & Light
tfw



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 02:21 PM
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A day or so ago I posted a comment I heard on NHK about the worry by TEPCO that certain 'subterranean facilities' might also be flooded... I could find nothing else about that but they were not speaking of the basement or tunnels

We might be getting close to something here. Maybe that is why all the fuss over #2



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 02:25 PM
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Originally posted by Exuberant1
Who was doing security on them barges - Japanese or Israelis?


Japanese warship was beside the barges spraying water on it to decontaminate. Joint operation with US and Japanese defense forces. I did not see any Israeli connection



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 02:29 PM
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Almost makes you wonder what they expect to find or encounter behind the big door; that takes 2 robots vice 1.

Could the backup robot be an offensive protector for the first one; or maybe its there to film the first one if it disappars?

Don't those type of robots have omni-directional cameras to cover 360 degrees all at once? Or at least motion sensor activated cameras that come on?

Just some ideas that popped into my head from who knows where, based strictly on your picture.



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 02:30 PM
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Radioactivity remains off the chart #1 Dry well 121.4 Sv/hr or 12,140 Rems. #2 No record for D/W but suppression chamber 131 Sv/hr or 13,100 Rems, #3 Dry Well 253.2 Sv/hr or 25,320 Rems. Seems the radiation levels in Unit #1 has increased since Tepco began injecting nitrogen on 8 April. Levels in other units have increased as well.

This may account for all the low level contaminated water laying around.


Courtesy ATMC Japan.
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posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by Communicater
With about 40 windows open on this one browser I decided it was time to just go the last page (i think) and post this which I haven't seen anyone else post.

www.youtube.com...

I'll get another one for you from another site as soon as I can find it...


The upper right opening appears to show some pretty significant arcing.
Could they be arc-welding pipe fittings, that would be a fun job.

I think of an old SNL fake news skit on the worst jobs with "crack whore"
falling out of the number one position replaced by "assistant crack whore".



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 02:36 PM
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I don't think so, but it is easily misunderstood as a few of us have been caught by that terminology (myself included.) I went back to re-read and the #1 in the sebsequent paragraph is referring to Dai-ichi as in not Daini ( a separate plant.) Take another look and see if that makes sense. All paragraphs in the beginning are referring to Dai-ichi reactor 4 I believe.



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 02:37 PM
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Originally posted by KaiserSoze

The upper right opening appears to show some pretty significant arcing.
Could they be arc-welding pipe fittings, that would be a fun job.


That would be difficult to pull off, since nobody has been in the building,

thus the robots.



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 02:39 PM
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Yesterday or the day before we started seeing what I believe were the first graphics showing water in the lower level and/or supression chamber of the reactor. Several weeks ago I was theorizing that water had been accumulating in this area and was moving to the turbine/condensor chambers (and consequently the other tunnels and "pits") via commonly connected drainage tunnels or conduit used to drain the chambers and buildings in the event of accumulated rain or groundwater seepage. (The other plausible theory being broken water pipes in the turbine room).

It didn't get much attention at the time, bowing to the more sensational "cracked bedrock" theory which I think still is the accepted orthodoxy on this thread.



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 02:41 PM
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From that PDF...


From July, 1997, the world’s first shroud replacement work was done at Fukushima-Daiichi Nuclear
Power Station Unit #3. The collective dose equivalent was 11.5 persons.Sv.

For the work in Unit #2 of the same station, shroud replacement was done from August, 1998. The
collective dose equivalent was 7.7 persons.Sv, about 30% lower than that of Unit #3.


So it seems they had high tech radiation monitors in place at #2 and a chemical decontamination unit as well. Seems there is a LOT more going on at this plant what with the core repairs and inserts...

I wonder what else will come to light about #2



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 02:44 PM
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Did you ever notice in your picture that the peace sign is actually an inverted Egyptian ankh with the top chopped off?



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 02:46 PM
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I tried to zoom in paint to see if I could get a reading but no luck. All I could find was a leaking pipe.

photo

Edit to add third circle of damage
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posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 02:47 PM
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Seems unit #4 data is missing



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 02:48 PM
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The top circle is on the reflection on the glass


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posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 02:49 PM
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Not really.

BTW - Did you know the Bilderburgers trace their ancestry all the way back to Egyptian Pharoahs?

Concidence? I think not...




posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 02:50 PM
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Originally posted by Communicater
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Did you ever notice in your picture that the peace sign is actually an inverted Egyptian ankh with the top chopped off?


The pic is from the first documented use of the (peace) symbol in an anti-nuclear march. Seems an artist would use a reconfiguration of the symbol for "life" as you stated. Interesting. Thanks.


Originally posted by zorgon
reply to post by DancedWithWolves

A day or so ago I posted a comment I heard on NHK about the worry by TEPCO that certain 'subterranean facilities' might also be flooded... I could find nothing else about that but they were not speaking of the basement or tunnels

We might be getting close to something here. Maybe that is why all the fuss over #2



I remember. It's been bugging me every since too. When I saw that diagram...my "bingo" alarm started sounding. Hope it's a start. I wonder how "open" or interconnected all these under-underground areas were if Unit 5 was next in line. Three was already done. The groundwater problem in 5 and 6 may be linked. And if all this is under the reactors - ummm....where is that last line of defense concrete catch-all that is supposed to catch the corium if it leaks? I assume it is above those temporary pipes systems ...or under?
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posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 02:50 PM
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I really like this "view-point" on the situation at Fukushima.

Here's a few quotes:

Letting radiation leak, but never information


...My point is that the public has been kept in the dark for generations about the risks of nuclear power, settling for cute cartoon characters that deliberately and persistently underinform us. Yet when the industry screws up, who takes the fallout?

Not Japan's nuclear firms. Tepco, remember, similarly botched things after radiation leaks at Tokai, Ibaraki Prefecture, in 1999 and the Kashiwazaki- Kariwa plant in Niigata Prefecture in 2007. Yet these Homer Simpsons remain in charge, despite, according to Wikileaks, repeated warnings from overseas specialists about their outmoded and lackluster safety standards (in a land of extreme seismic activity, no less). In a society that, if anything, overcompensates in the name of safety, why is nuclear energy such a glowing exception?

Nor will the government be held accountable, despite abetting coverups, preventing more leaks of information than of radiation, and rarely coming clean about nuclear power's dirty secrets. Part of it is due to the lack of class-action lawsuit mechanisms in Japan's judiciary, and the fact that judges almost never rule against the government.[


One would hope that Fukushima would occasion review and reform. But I doubt it will. Fukushima has illuminated how the biggest problems facing Japan will not get fixed — because the public cannot or will not force the state to take responsibility for its mistakes. Ultimately, this is what breeds Japan's undying fatalism.


Full article here: Japan Times



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 02:53 PM
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Could you get a better look if you came in from one of the sides rather than straight on? Maybe even diagonally, or rolled in like a curve?



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 02:54 PM
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Since the fuel rods were taken out of #4 guess they eliminated the readings from D/W and S/C. Seems like the dose ratings should include the SFP's as well though.




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