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Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake

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posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 01:09 PM

Originally posted by Vitchilo

Body Containing High Levels of Radiation Found near Fukushima Plant

A body was found yesterday containing high levels of radiation in the town of Ookuma-cho, about 5 kilometers from the Fukushima Dai-ichi power plant. The Fukushima Police Department received a report of an unidentified body laying outdoors in the area. About 15 policemen dressed in protective gear went to the area.

Since the police detected dangerous levels of radiation, they decided not to take the body back with them, according to NHK. The police did not disclose the level of radiation.

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I wouldn't put it past TEPCO to dispose of their dead contract workers that way.

If they die at work, just drive them 5k away and dump them.
Who's going to know?

posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 01:10 PM
reply to post by TheRemedial

We at ATS will still care. Our work is done. NHK has reported the MOX fuel and the Pu-239 dust fallout. There is nothing more we can do. The message is out there now for all who want yo know.

The next cover up will be just like Chernobyl. They will say any increase in cancer or deformities is natural and not attributable to any accident or weapons testing.

There are 442 rectors world wide. Imagine how many accidents per decade we will be having when there are 4420 reactors!!

We won't kill our selves with a nuclear war. Simply 2 or 3 Fukishimas a year slowly leaking radioactive fallout should do the trick in about 20 years or so.

I bet the cockroaches are planning a big bug party!!!

posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 01:12 PM
reply to post by OneisOne

great , the nuclear industry is learning the lesson backwards.
Instead of better information they think TEPCO should provide less and more confusing info.......

this is what makes me think they should not be allowed to build anymore plants
full transparency and honesty or nothing....

posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 01:15 PM

Originally posted by Regenstorm

Originally posted by cripmeister
reply to post by butcherguy

Thanks. From following this thread it seems to me that several posters are under the impression that once nuclear fuel rods have started to melt the process is unstoppable. There's no such thing as a partial meltdown yet that's what happened at TMI. Confusing to say the least.

No it's not, if I'm informed correctly.
A meltdown is a meltdown, nothing that can change that proces.

They speak of a partial meltdown when not all the rods in the reactor become part of that meltdown.

A partial meltdown was exactly what we were speaking about, specifically the event at Three Mile Island.

In a low water event, gravity sees to it that the tops of the fuel rods are exposed (not covered in water, thereby not cooled) first. That is where the melting begins, and it will affect all the rods at once, but not all of each rod.

In the case of TMI, the rods started to melt and the molten material ran down to the bottom of the RPV, but did not breach it. Cooling water levels were raised and radioactive steam plus hydrogen were vented to the atmosphere to avoid an explosion. Approximately one third of the core was melted.

posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 01:16 PM
What we have been seeing for 2 weeks is a controlled release of information to climatize the public into accepting increasing levels of an extremely critical situation with far reaching implications to not only Japan but the world. The purpose is to avoid widespread panic and a premature, disorderly evacuation of Tokyo and surrounding areas.

This is not unlaudable goal, my concern is that the people of Japan and others are given enough of the correct information and at the right time so they can make appropriate decisions for the safety of themselves and their families. In this context, while Tepco is probably the best entity to be dealing with the on the ground situation since they know the plant best, I do not think their executives are in the best position to make the hard decisions since not only are they too close to the problem and may also have dubious considerations that may not be in the best interest of the people of Japan or the rest of the world. In other words, let Tepco people continue to do the work but someone or something else should be making the decisions about how to proceed and when to effect the most critical decisions. Unfortunately, based on what we've seen from Tepco and the Japguv I don't think this is going to happen, which is too bad for everyone involved, which might be the entire planet.

We are watching an increasing pace of the disclosures which means the situation may be reaching an apex where our worst fears are realized. At first we were getting critical disclosures every 3-4 days, then two and now we get them every day. And BTW, each of these disclosures, like the ocean contamination, high levels of radiation, pooling water conditions and existence of plutonium, have been known for some time by Tepco. It never was a question of whether they existed but when and how to tell the world.

The situation, IMO, is spiraling out of control and beyond the abilities of Tepco or even the JapGuv to handle it. It's too late for other guvs or nuclear experts to get involved and help, that train has come and gone. All we can do now is hope and pray Tepco and the Japguv have enough wisdom and morality to do the right thing to best protect the Japanese people (and the globe) in what will shortly become the worst nuclear crisis the world has ever seen.

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posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 01:19 PM

Originally posted by MissTiger
reply to post by DancedWithWolves

We also have to remember that Japan is not a third world country, it is meant to be on the same level as the USA,UK, France etc. We can offer help but we must be invited in there to help. If something happened in the UK I am sure that the USA wouldn't just turn up, they would trust they knew what they were doing and they would have to accept what the UK was saying. Anything other than that would cause political unrest, that is what all our Governments are more worried about!

I'm sorry. I don't agree. If there was going to be an instant large explosion affecting the whole world they would invade in a flash. Look at Libya.

They haven't forced their help because the UK and France supplied the Pu-239 and pre processed MOX fuel.
The US supplied the plants. They are all implicated via sub contracts.

Remember BP and the American sub contractors!

posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 01:20 PM
reply to post by cripmeister

cooling was restored, plus they had better coolant from what I understand NaK is more efficient than water is. There was a cooling system in place, that worked, and wasn't degrading in the way that fukushima is. We have salts clogging and corroding everything, wrecking any heat conductivity the water has. The rods are not likely rods anymore in those reactors (at least in no 3 and probably no 2). This situation is one that is not going to be fixed till things cool down now, no amount of cooling system restoration will fix this.

posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 01:20 PM
reply to post by Kailassa

" they decided not to take it back with them"

So, they dont know who it is, how they became irradiated, what type of radiation they were
exposed to?

The police did not disclose the level of radiation.

On Monday the government urged residents of the evacuation area within 20 kilometers of the Fukushima plant not to return for the time being, as it stepped up efforts to address the nuclear crisis and remove debris from the quake areas.

“It is very likely that within 20 kilometers from the plant is contaminated and there is a big risk (to human health) at the moment,” Yukio Edano, top government spokesman, told a news conference. He said residents should not enter the evacuation zone until after the government gives them the go ahead

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posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 01:24 PM

Originally posted by MissTiger
Fumiaki Nakayama speaking on NHK about the workers that were sent to hospital said

no radiation contamination was found in their bodies, symptoms that may develop now may be red spots that will not require treatment


Who are those lying bastards trying to kid?

Those red spots are sub-dermal haemorrhage, (petechia or purpura, depending on size,) and are a known effect of excessive radiation.

The Account of Setsuko Thurlow, Survivor of Hiroshima

The unique and mysterious effect of the atomic bomb was radiation which affected many people. For example, my favourite uncle and aunt were in the suburbs and had no external injuries. But a couple of weeks later they began feeling sick with the appearance of purple spots on their bodies, nausea and loss of hair and so forth. We did not know then that the sickness was due to radiation. According to my mother who cared for them until their deaths, their internal organs seemed to be rotting and dissolving and coming out in a black liquid. Later we were told that if purple spots appeared on our bodies, this was a sure sign that we would soon die. Every morning, our routine was anxiously to examine our bodies for the dreaded purple spots.

The Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
Radiation Injuries

Petechiae and other hemorrhagic manifestations were striking findings. Bleeding began usually from the gums and in the more seriously affected was soon evident from every possible source. Petechiae appeared on the limbs and on pressure points. Large ecchymoses (hemorrhages under the skin) developed about needle punctures, and wounds partially healed broke down and bled freely. Retinal hemorrhages occurred in many of the patients. The bleeding time and the coagulation time were prolonged. The platelets (coagulation of the blood) were characteristically reduced in numbers.

This is not stupidity or mismanagement.
This is calculated murder.

posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 01:26 PM
reply to post by Kailassa

I wouldn't put it past TEPCO to dispose of their dead contract workers that way.

If they die at work, just drive them 5k away and dump them.
Who's going to know?

They gonna know at some point using identification of the body. After all, TEPCO got lists of workers who worked at the plant right? And even if TEPCO were to ``delete`` those workers from the list... I bet those workers have families, friends, co-workers who would know that they did work at the plant.

Or maybe not, since 90% of those who work at those plants are immigrants, so their families is probably in another country... but even then, the co-workers who worked with them in the plant surely know them... But you never know, those workers might be silenced by TEPCO using bribes or threats.

posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 01:27 PM
Holes discovered (admitted to) in Reactors 1,2,3 pressure vessels

From Asahi Shinbun news about one hour ago (3:00PM JST 3/28/2011).In the Reactors 1, 2, and 3, the water level within the Pressure Vessels are not rising as much as desired. TEPCO admitted in the March 28 press conference that the reason why the Pressure Vessels haven't been filled with water was "probably a hole near the bottom, that's the image we have". Asked why there was a hole, TEPCO answered they did not know.

This is a significant change in status.

posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 01:33 PM

Radioactive water in external tunnels

The operator of the damaged nuclear power plant in Fukushima, northeastern Japan, has reported that very high levels of radiation have been observed in water in a trench just outside the turbine building for one of the reactors.

Tokyo Electric Power Company announced on Monday that a puddle of water was found in a trench outside the No. 2 reactor turbine building at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant on Sunday afternoon. It said the radiation reading on the puddle's surface indicated more than 1,000 millisieverts per hour.

The concrete trench is 4 meters high and 3 meters wide and houses power cables and pipes. It is located in the compound of the plant but outside the radiation control area.
TEPCO says the trench extends 76 meters toward the sea but does not reach the sea, and that the contaminated water was not flowing into the sea.

TEPCO says it is trying to find out how the contaminated water came to be in the trench.

Radiation levels of more than 1,000 millisieverts per hour were recorded on Sunday in a puddle of water in the basement of the No. 2 reactor turbine building.

Puddles of water were also found in the trenches outside the No. 1 and No. 3 reactors. TEPCO reported 0.4 millisieverts of radiation on the surface of the puddle in the No. 1 reactor's trench. But it said it failed to measure the No. 3 reactor's trench because it was covered with debris.

TEPCO says it had no intention of concealing data regarding the high level of radiation detected on Sunday outside a turbine building at its Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant.

TEPCO Vice President Sakae Muto said at a news conference on Monday that he only received the report from the plant workers earlier in the day.

The plant operator has revealed that it found water in a covered tunnel outside the turbine building of the number 2 reactor, and that radiation of more than 1,000 millisieverts per hour was detected in the water.

Muto said the company has made this public and instructed the plant workers to quickly take steps to dispose of the water.

Asked by reporters if TEPCO was concealing information, Muto said the company has no intention of doing so.

He also said every day is full of events, and that TEPCO will quickly share information of high importance so that it can swiftly consider countermeasures.

Vice President Muto added that the plant operator will confirm the flow of information and have it thoroughly implemented in order to avoid misunderstandings.

Tuesday, March 29, 2011 02:21 +0900 (JST)

I'm trying to decide who is more incompetent, Tepco or the JapGuv.

Okay, the JapGuv since Tepco has been playing them like a flute for over 2 weeks.

posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 01:34 PM
reply to post by cripmeister

At TMI nothing blew apart they still had power and it was mostly an operator error and a breach of protocol, some safety systems were off line for maintenance and operators misunderstood one of the warning lights ( the one that warns that an overpressure valve is open and venting ) so they turned off the cooling pumps, but already had the control rods in place.

The top half of the rods were exposed to air on and off for something like 2-1/2 hours (not two weeks) which started cladding loss/separation and melting at the top of the rods, the HUGE Difference is that they still had a fully function set of cooling and emergency systems a better design ( primary and secondary loops ) and a totally intact containment vessel.(read the full story at wiki)

At fukushima there were two pools of 'waste' rods NOT IN CONTAINMENT CORES and six cores , of which only two have some power restored, and none have anywhere fully functioning cooling systems , and most of them are leaking badly. Plus we have a very bad design (single cooling loop) and a history of safety violations including a previously cracked core

Although the information scene at TMI was something anyone on this thread would recognize:

At 6:56 a.m., a plant supervisor declared a site emergency, and less than half an hour later station manager Gary Miller announced a general emergency, defined as having the "potential for serious radiological consequences" to the general public.[21] Metropolitan Edison notified the Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency (PEMA), which in turn contacted state and local agencies, governor Richard L. Thornburgh and lieutenant governor William Scranton III, to whom Thornburgh assigned responsibility for collecting and reporting on information about the accident.[22] The uncertainty of operators at the plant was reflected in fragmentary, ambiguous, or contradictory statements made by Met Ed to government agencies and to the press, particularly about the possibility and severity of off-site radiation releases. Scranton held a press conference in which he was reassuring, yet confusing, about this possibility, stating that though there had been a "small release of increase in normal radiation levels" had been detected. These were contradicted by another official, and by statements from Met Ed, who both claimed that no radiation had been released.[23] In fact, readings from instruments at the plant and off-site detectors had detected radiation releases, albeit at levels that were unlikely to threaten public health as long as they were temporary, and providing that containment of the then highly contaminated reactor was maintained.[24] Angry that Met Ed had not informed them before conducting a steam venting from the plant and convinced that the company was downplaying the severity of the accident, state officials turned to the NRC.[25] After receiving word of the accident from Met Ed, the NRC had activated its emergency response headquarters in Bethesda, Maryland and sent staff members to Three Mile Island. NRC chairman Joseph Hendrie and commissioner Victor Gilinsky[26] initially viewed the accident, in the words of NRC historian Samuel Walker, as a "cause for concern but not alarm"....However, the NRC faced the same problems in obtaining accurate information as the state, and was further hampered by being organizationally ill-prepared to deal with emergencies, as it lacked a clear command structure and the authority to tell the utility what to do, or to order an evacuation of the local area.[28]

(source) Itwas almost five years later that they finally admited to melting in the core

posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 01:35 PM
reply to post by burntheships

Yes number 3 has been/is the one to be most concerned about. Who can watch this video from the second day of the disaster and not see what was coming:

The height and color of the cloud, looking more like a 10 Kt nuke than a hydrogen explosion, with a brown color. And sending very large pieces of steel/concrete 1 km up. Are there those in Govt. and Exec. management who are too dumb to NOT let it be thought that it was a reactor breech at that very moment??? Not likely. They knew.

Now it slowly unfolds for the rest of us to suck up over the long run. Hmm.... Who'da thunk it???

But they are very aware of the process of dumbing down the people through govt liars/MSM liars and denial of meaningful education to the masses. It will continue and get worse.
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posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 01:40 PM

Originally posted by Regenstorm
reply to post by Kailassa

Is there something that could speed up this proces?
A catalyzer of some sort?

This stuff is now in the open ocean and atmosphere. It's dispersing world wide. There's no way to recapture and catalyse it.

Perhaps, if the release was planned and regulated, some catalyser could be invented to pass the emissions through. I've no idea, but it's certainly not possible to do that when it's coming from unknown leaks in a highly radioactive environment.

posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 01:41 PM
reply to post by Procharmo

I'm sorry. I don't agree. If there was going to be an instant large explosion affecting the whole world they would invade in a flash. Look at Libya. They haven't forced their help because the UK and France supplied the Pu-239 and pre processed MOX fuel. The US supplied the plants. They are all implicated via sub contracts. Remember BP and the American sub contractors!

I agree with what you are saying, I think there are many factors involved as to why no one is going in there to help. But wouldn't it look better for our countries to go into Japan to help clear up the mess they have helped create?

posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 01:41 PM
Good morning.

I got some information last night that appears to be applicable to this discussion, specifically the location of older GE Mark I BWR reactors (the same kind as at Fukushima) in the US currently. I'd like to share:

General Electric-designed reactors in Fukushima have 23 sisters in U.S.

Just in case anyone is curious if they are living near an old, flawed, dangerous nuclear reactor...

(I have a lot of relies to catch up on from last night, so bear with me.)


posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 01:42 PM
reply to post by Kailassa

Well - technically they aren't lying - the red spots will not require treatment.. if they are petechiae (spelling?) then that indicates severe internal damage has already occurred. Those are the red spots we check for when looking for signs of meningitis - in that instance they indicate septicaemia which has already affected the internal organs and indicates a very poor prognosis. In the case of radiation damage - sadly I am not aware of any treatment? So going home to die quietly is probably the only option..

On another note - why has it taken until now for Japan to ask France for help ?? Did they just realise it is a problem?

posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 01:44 PM
reply to post by MissTiger

Hi Miss Tiger and you are correct - Japan is far from third world.I meant no disrespect to the Japanese people or their accomplishments.

I respectfully disagree in theory though about the invite - simply because we are dealing with a disaster that does not respect borders. If the only people affected were the people of Japan - then so be it - we await an invite and pray for the best. When Japan's problem left your shores and became the world's problem - international efforts to contain pending disaster must be accepted. When we engage in and use technologies that can hurt more than ourselves - we assume the interest and rights of those who could be affected.

I actually see this as TEPCO's issue which is a multi-national corporation - not a government. Their negligence in the past brings into question their ability to handle this in the best interest of our world - not just Japan. This affects all of us - civilians and governments alike. They are currently seeking approval for more plants in partnership in the U.S. They are our problem - Japan's problem - everyone's problem. This crisis is the world's problem. Yes, Japan is the hardest hit. However, just like Chernobyl - which this is now rated a 7 and equal to that and far from over yet - other countries suffered.

Alarmingly, we are seeing a pattern of companies - not countries - choosing which doors to open and which doors to keep closed. In a disaster that is international and irreversible - no person or government should be at the mercy of a corporation whose operating principle is profits - to save itself or its people.

I truly appreciate all you have brought to this thread thus far and hope this helps clarify my thinking a bit. As always, I remain open to learning more.


posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 01:44 PM
reply to post by 1SawSomeThings

I think it's strange too. If they knew, why didn't they tell everyone? They must have a secret to hide. I think it might have been nuclear weapons.

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