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Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake

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posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 12:41 PM
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I believe that Japan was planning to produce nuclear weapons. I do not want to explain again but you can look at my previous post (at around 2:14 AM) for my explanation!




posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 12:41 PM
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I believe that Japan was planning to produce nuclear weapons. I do not want to explain again but you can look at my previous post (at around 2:14 AM today) for my explanation!



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by Fractured.Facade

Originally posted by DancedWithWolves
Where are our world leaders in this crisis? The longer this goes on, the more I find it insane that our world leaders are not front and center in leading the charge to help.


Simple theoretical answer:

No one in governments or in the Nuclear industry wants to share any blame in all of this, they want to be able to claim (no matter how it goes) that it was not the fault of the Reactor design, but that it was incompetence and mishandling of the incident(s) at Fukushima by TEPCO, and by the Japanese government.

Simple... NO ONE outside of Japan wants any kind of culpability, blame or to be in any way perceived as complicit in this disaster... In fact it seems that many washed their hands of this in the early days of it, meaning that they had already likely fully understood how this could end and wanted no part of it. Plausible deniability is far more important now than saving lives.


I appreciate your thoughts. You would likely be - sadly be - correct. Unfortunately - when you don't lead, follow or get the hell out of the way...as our world leaders have not led, followed or gotten out of the way - you are culpable. Their lack of leadership has left their own hands bloodied and now stained with oxidizing plutonium. By not representing our interests - leaders the world over have failed.

The U.S. government made far more noise about wikileaks than radiation leaks. Their deniability is no long plausable. They know at least as much as we have known and probably far more.

Could there have been solutions early on that would have mitigated some of the current and more serious pending disasters just beginning to be realized? If so, no amount of hand washing will rid them of this. At some point you begin to wonder if government even has a purpose any more. Right now we, across borders and oceans, have shared more diplomacy and information than any one government. If they can't be the check and balance...then it's time to close their account and move towards a truer democracy.

Anyone here feel like they have been "represented?"

I vote we take every single one of the now double digit number of U.S. homes that are vacant because of foreclosure - and nationalize them from the banks. They've already been paid for them many times over in the Ponzi scheme they ran. Use some as refugee shelters for anyone in Japan needing to relocate.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by EnhancedInterrogator

Originally posted by Moonbeams771
reply to post by sallamy
 

1 millisieverts (mSv) = 1,000 microsievert (uSv)
1,000 millisieverts (mSv) = 1,000,000 microsievert (uSv)

I think you messed-up on of the abbreviations there?


It's possible but I can't see where I've gone wrong. Please clarify?



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 12:45 PM
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Actually, was reading it wrong. NM
Thanks.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 12:49 PM
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Originally posted by sunrisetomorrow2011
reply to post by Destinyone
 


I believe that Japan was planning to produce nuclear weapons. I do not want to explain again but you can look at my previous post (at around 2:14 AM) for my explanation!


Sorry, I don't understand your reply. I was not posting anything regarding Japan, and the production of weapons. Me thinks you have me mixed up with someone else.

Des



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 12:50 PM
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No probs... you've just proved my point about how easily it is to get confused with the different types of radiation measurements



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 12:51 PM
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RSOE

"Three types of plutonium have turned up amid the radioactive contamination on the grounds of the earthquake-damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, its owner reported Monday. The plutonium is a byproduct of nuclear reactions that is also part of the fuel mix at the damaged No. 3 reactor. It was found in soil at five different points inside the plant grounds, the Tokyo Electric Power Company said late Monday. Plutonium can be a serious health hazard if inhaled or ingested, but external exposure poses little health risk, according to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency."


3 types of plutonium?

Japan radiation killing sea life, warning for Oregon coast fishing industry

NEWPORT, Ore. – While the U.S. Department of Energy said in public statements that there are “no significant quantities of radiological material” deposited on West coast beaches, U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said it was time to reassess the international atomic safety regime; meanwhile, there’s growing fears here in Newport and other West coast fishing communities that Japan’s radiation will spread from its coast to here.


Radiation From Japan Detected In Florida, North And South Carolina

Time to sue TEPCO and the Japanese government for TRILLION OF $$$. Yeah the tsunami wasn't their fault, not the earthquake, but their greediness and cover ups that ended up causing the meltdowns did.
edit on 28-3-2011 by Vitchilo because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by cripmeister
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Thanks. From following this thread it seems to me that several posters are under the impression that once nuclear fuel rods have started to melt the process is unstoppable. There's no such thing as a partial meltdown yet that's what happened at TMI. Confusing to say the least.


No it's not, if I'm informed correctly.
A meltdown is a meltdown, nothing that can change that proces.

They speak of a partial meltdown when not all the rods in the reactor become part of that meltdown.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 12:52 PM
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Oh sorry for the confusion! In your post, the news said that Japan's reactors were releasing plutonium, which is used in the production of nuclear weapons.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by butcherguy
I am certain that if I was pumping radioactive chlorine into the ocean that takes 300,000 years to disappear, the MSM would make a pretty big deal of it. If a corporation does it, no mention of the story.

Has anyone seen a reference in the MSM to the amounts of radioactive chlorine released and the very long half-life it has? Maybe I missed it.

You're talking about Chlorine-36, the radioactive isotope of chlorine. Its half-life is 301,000 ± 4,000 years.

Even in 300,000 years, it doesn't disappear.

300,000 years is the time it takes for half of it to disappear.
(Well, nothing actually disappears. Half of it gradually breaks down into isotopes of sulphur and argon over that time.)
Even after 600,000 years, it has not disappeared. Each 300,000 years half of the Chlorine-36 that was there at the beginning of that 300,000 years disappears. It's never all gone.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 12:54 PM
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We also have to remember that Japan is not a third world country, it is meant to be on the same level as the USA,UK, France etc. We can offer help but we must be invited in there to help. If something happened in the UK I am sure that the USA wouldn't just turn up, they would trust they knew what they were doing and they would have to accept what the UK was saying. Anything other than that would cause political unrest, that is what all our Governments are more worried about!



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 12:56 PM
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sure, what sort of debris? A few plutonium dust particles?



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 12:56 PM
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Is there something that could speed up this proces?
A catalyzer of some sort?



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 12:59 PM
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Recipe for disaster:
Heat Uranium dioxide (fuel rods)
See: en.wikipedia.org...
Add chlorine gas (from vaporized seawater)
Create Uranyl chloride (yellow rain)
en.wikipedia.org...
Vent to atmosphere and dump into ocean

Stay out of the rain and pray God shall send us help.

To all those in whom the people have put their trust; now is the time to step forward and do all that is possible; for though you may have deceived the people, God shall surely require it of you.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 01:01 PM
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While trying to get caught up on everything, I came across these tweets from Martyn Williams, a Voice of America reporter, regarding a press conference given by Robert Peter Gale from London's Imperial College at the The Foreign Correspondents' Club of Japan. Some of the statements made really bothered me. I have no doubt that the general population does not understand radiation, however I did not think that should be a reason to kill the information flow.

Here are some of the tweets. Martyn Williams Twitter feed

@martyn_williams : What Japan is lacking most is an understanding of radiation by the general public - Gale at FCCJ

(I think what Japan is lacking most is a way to get this crisis under control!!)
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@martyn_williams : Gale was initially speaking about the situation here, but expands to say many gov'ts lack ability to explain radiation to public

(well we are just the 'common' people....)
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@martyn_williams : Public have a problem with too much raw information, don't know what it means so assume worst-case scenario - Gale

(that darn raw information..... Governments should have time to candy coat it first!)
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I went searching for a transcript of the press conference and could not find one. I did find a LA Times article referencing it. You can read that article here.

The quote from that article that struck me was

"The question is, what is a reasonable interval to give people information?" said Dr. Robert Peter Gale, an American physician and expert on radiation who consulted on the 1986 nuclear disaster in Chernobyl and is now advising Japan's government. "Instead of just releasing each data point you get, sometimes it's better to base things on an average of readings over a period of time."

Yes because governments always tell the truth....


About Dr. Robert Peter Gale from The Foreign Correspondents' Club of Japan's website.

Dr. Robert Peter Gale, Update on His Trip To Fukushima Two weeks after a magnitude 9.0 earthquake triggered a huge tsunami that severely damaged a Japanese nuclear power plant, the situation is still not under control. And fears of radiation exposure and food and water safety are now coming to the forefront.

Dr. Robert Peter Gale, a specialist of medical relief efforts for the Chernobyl and Tokaimura nuclear accidents, who spoke at the FCCJ upon his recent arrival to Japan, has kindly agreed to come to the Club again following a research trip to the Fukushima area to share his observations and analysis of the situation. One of the world's top specialists on cancer immunology and radiation, Dr. Gale was asked by the government of the previous Soviet Union to coordinate medical relief efforts for victims of the Chernobyl accident. In 1999 he was asked by the government of Japan to help treat victims of the nuclear criticality accident in Tokaimura NPP.

Dr. Gale was born in New York City in 1945. In 1976 he received a Ph.D. in microbiology and immunology from UCLA following doctoral work focusing on cancer immunology (with John Fahey). From 1973-1993, h e was on the faculty of the UCLA School of Medicine in the Department of Medicine, Division of Hematology & Oncology where he focused on the molecular biology, immunology and the treatment of leukemia. He also developed the bone marrow transplant program supported by the NIH. At UCLA, he was active in the Department of Psychology, where he and his colleagues studied interactions between stress, immunity and cancer.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 01:03 PM
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According to this video below, number 3 is heating up.




posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 01:07 PM
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Originally posted by Moonbeams771
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No probs... you've just proved my point about how easily it is to get confused with the different types of radiation measurements

Yeah ... not to mention, which reactor they're talking about - at any given time.
If I heard right on the news, it's unit #2's turbine building is where the guys the got over-exposed by radioactive water while working inside. I thought previously they said it was unit #3?

Also, all the talk about plutonium ... which should only be related to the MOX fuel in unit #3's reactor, but they are finding in the soil by unit #2? Maybe they mean in the soil between #2 and #3 - maybe that would make sense.

I hope they clarify this stuff soon!



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 01:07 PM
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I starred your post, you are absolutely right, Cl36 has a half-life of approx 300,000 years.

Ugly stuff indeed. Think of all the sea life that will take it into their bodies.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 01:08 PM
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edit on 28-3-2011 by mrbillshow because: Check work, repost.



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