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posted on Aug, 26 2013 @ 09:59 AM
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Russia wants to help.....

Russia Reiterates Offer to Help Clean Up Fukushima Radiation

en.ria.ru...

"MOSCOW, August 26 (RIA Novosti) – Russia’s state-owned nuclear utility, Rosenergoatom, has reiterated an offer that the country made two years ago to help Japan clean up contamination at the disaster-hit Fukushima nuclear power plant, which has been reportedly leaking hundreds of tons of radioactive water into the Pacific Ocean.

“In our globalized nuclear industry we don’t have national accidents; they are all international,” Vladimir Asmolov, Rosenergoatom’s first deputy general director, said in an interview with Bloomberg.

Last week, Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO) announced that it would accept international assistance in dealing with the crisis, which has been billed as the worst nuclear disaster since Chernobyl. Asmolov told Bloomberg that since Japan’s new government took power in December, bilateral cooperation talks have been “much more positive.”"




posted on Aug, 26 2013 @ 10:37 AM
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This is priceless!!!

Fukushima Leaks Prompt Government to ‘Emergency Measures’

www.bloomberg.com...

Quote from the article:

"“We’ve allowed Tokyo Electric to deal with the contaminated water situation on its own and they’ve essentially turned it into a game of ‘Whack-a-Mole,’” Trade Minister Toshimitsu Motegi told reporters today at Fukushima. “From now on, the government will move to the forefront.”

You really can't make this stuff up.



posted on Aug, 26 2013 @ 12:58 PM
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From the [color=chartreuse]"If we replied to this as we want to, we would be banned department..."

Art Robinson

Oregon's GOP Chair Wants to Sprinkle Nuclear Waste From Airplanes | Mother Jones

After months of in-fighting, the beleaguered Oregon Republican Party elected a new chairman last weekend. His name is Art Robinson, and he wants to sprinkle radioactive waste from airplanes to build up our resistance to degenerative illnesses.

Robinson, who unsuccessfully ran for Congress against progressive Rep. Peter DeFazio in 2010 and 2012, took over after the previous chair resigned in advance of a recall campaign over her alleged financial mismanagement.

Robinson, who has a Ph.D. in chemistry, has marketed himself for the last three decades as an expert on everything from nuclear fallout to AIDS to climate science in the pages of a monthly newsletter, Access to Energy, which he published from his compound in the small town of Cave Junction.

A quick glance at his writings, which were publicized during his ill-fated challenges to DeFazio, suggest that whatever the failings of the previous party leadership—Democrats now hold all statewide elected offices and control both houses of the state Legislature—Robinson brings with him a new set of challenges entirely.


On nuclear waste:

[color=chartreuse]"All we need do with nuclear waste is dilute it to a low radiation level and sprinkle it over the ocean—or even over America after hormesis is better understood and verified with respect to more diseases."

And:

"If we could use it to enhance our own drinking water here in Oregon, where background radiation is low, it would hormetically enhance our resistance to degenerative diseases."

"Alas, this would be against the law."

[color=magenta]Peace Love Light
tfw
[color=magenta]Liberty & Equality or Revolution

edit on 26/8/2013 by thorfourwinds because: color



posted on Aug, 26 2013 @ 01:26 PM
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Originally posted by thorfourwinds
From the [color=chartreuse]"If we replied to this as we want to, we would be banned department..."

Art Robinson

Oregon's GOP Chair Wants to Sprinkle Nuclear Waste From Airplanes | Mother Jones

After months of in-fighting, the beleaguered Oregon Republican Party elected a new chairman last weekend. His name is Art Robinson, and he wants to sprinkle radioactive waste from airplanes to build up our resistance to degenerative illnesses.

Robinson, who unsuccessfully ran for Congress against progressive Rep. Peter DeFazio in 2010 and 2012, took over after the previous chair resigned in advance of a recall campaign over her alleged financial mismanagement.

Robinson, who has a Ph.D. in chemistry, has marketed himself for the last three decades as an expert on everything from nuclear fallout to AIDS to climate science in the pages of a monthly newsletter, Access to Energy, which he published from his compound in the small town of Cave Junction.

A quick glance at his writings, which were publicized during his ill-fated challenges to DeFazio, suggest that whatever the failings of the previous party leadership—Democrats now hold all statewide elected offices and control both houses of the state Legislature—Robinson brings with him a new set of challenges entirely.


On nuclear waste:

[color=chartreuse]"All we need do with nuclear waste is dilute it to a low radiation level and sprinkle it over the ocean—or even over America after hormesis is better understood and verified with respect to more diseases."

And:

"If we could use it to enhance our own drinking water here in Oregon, where background radiation is low, it would hormetically enhance our resistance to degenerative diseases."

"Alas, this would be against the law."

[color=magenta]Peace Love Light
tfw
[color=magenta]Liberty & Equality or Revolution

edit on 26/8/2013 by thorfourwinds because: color



And with that ,,,i give u


Stop The World (and Let Me Off)

www.youtube.com...


edit on 26-8-2013 by BobAthome because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 26 2013 @ 01:48 PM
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Originally posted by matadoor
Russia wants to help.....
Russia Reiterates Offer to Help Clean Up Fukushima Radiation
en.ria.ru...
...
“In our globalized nuclear industry we don’t have national accidents; they are all international,” Vladimir Asmolov, Rosenergoatom’s first deputy general director, said in an interview with Bloomberg.
...

Greetings:

If only the JAPGOV and TEPCO would have admitted this about 900 days ago.


Instead, they flatly denied that there was 'a problem' and declared 'cold shutdown' 9 months later.


Gotta love this one:


Tokyo Electric Power Co., the operator dealing with the containment of radioactive waste at Fukushima nuclear power plant, has sought the expertise of the same US company that produced plutonium for the atom bomb dropped on Nagasaki in World War II.
... The company has had decades of experience treating millions of gallons of radioactive waste, The Japan Daily Press reported.
...
Now, TEPCO has dispatched its engineers to Hanford – located in the US state of Washington - to try to learn from the company’s operations. The business oversees a 586 square mile nuclear waste facility located 200 miles southeast of Seattle...

“The United States has vast experience in nuclear technology with their military activity, including decontaminating soil and managing river contamination,” said Masumi Ishikawa, general manager of TEPCO’s radioactive waste management, to The Japanese Daily Press.

“There’s a lot we can learn from them.”

That's because the clean-up crew at Hanford has done such a fine job, no doubt.



“We identified seven areas of US expertise that can be tapped,” said Ishikawa. “That includes decommissioning, nuclear waste disposal, removal of melted fuel, and restoration of surrounding areas.”

Could it be that those morons at TEPCO don't read Scientific American?

Hanford Nuclear Cleanup May Be Too Dangerous, Future Of Storage Plant Uncertain

The most toxic and voluminous nuclear waste in the U.S.—208 million liters —sits in decaying underground tanks at the Hanford Site (a nuclear reservation) in southeastern Washington State. It accumulated there from the middle of World War II, when the Manhattan Project invented the first nuclear weapon, to 1987, when the last reactor shut down.

The federal government’s current attempt at a permanent solution for safely storing that waste for centuries—the Waste Treatment and Immobilization Plant here—has hit a major snag in the form of potential chain reactions, hydrogen explosions and leaks from metal corrosion.

And the revelation last February that six more of the storage tanks are currently leaking has further ramped up the pressure for resolution.

Of course, those leaks have been fixed - right?



Disagreements over the safety risks have also prompted outspoken protests from several senior Hanford officials. Chief project engineer Gary Brunson resigned in January. Busche and former deputy chief process engineer Walter Tamosaitis filed whistleblower complaints alleging that their concerns about safety were suppressed by Bechtel. (Bechtel declined to be interviewed for this story, citing nondisclosure agreements signed with Chu’s expert panel.)

But Langdon Holton, DoE’s senior technical authority for the Vit Plant and a member of Chu’s expert panel, believes the project’s problems are technical snags, rather than the insoluble consequence of incompetence or hubris...

Why does this story line sound all too familiar?


Time may be limited.

The 177 tanks, built between 1943 and 1986 and most intended for only about a 20-year life span, are decaying; at last count, six are leaking.

The Vit Plant was supposed to start operating in 2007 and is now projected to begin in 2022.


Its original budget was $4.3 billion and is now estimated at $13.4 billion.


Nobody is suggesting the project be abandoned, yet forging ahead without confidence in the plant’s safe operation is not really an option either. The real question, many Hanford watchers say, is whether the country wants to pay for doing it right.

Hanford Nuclear Waste Tanks Could Explode, Agency Warns

Energy nominee says Hanford cleanup effort unacceptable

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posted on Aug, 26 2013 @ 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by pheonix358
Who in their right mind would pour concrete with out re-bar or a substitute.

It is so stupid as to belong on Home Improvement. Tim would do it.

There is no solution to Fukashima. It is what it is. We do not have the technology to solve this. The world knows it, every government knows it which is why no one is screaming about it.

There is no solution.

P


I guess there is no point in wondering if they put in expansion joints, eh pheonix?


Silver, EX-SKF has a store. Grab a mug or a tee-shirt. I was just thinking the same thing.

Mat, The Russians would blab about all the stuff tepco has been hiding and make them look like the stooges they are. No way is tepco going to let them in..... until its so bad [And they've all bought hotels in other countries and are ready to vanish]

Water with nuclear fuel coming up from ocean floor off Fukushima coast? Tokyo Professor: 156 quadrillion Bq of Cs-137 once in basements — Double Chernobyl; Getting close to total fallout from every atomic bomb test in history
[Must be our boiling harbour!]
vimeo.com...
enenews.com... sements-getting-close-to-fallout-total-from-every-atomic-bombs-t

Well well, a new number and of course its up. Doesn't even raise an eyebrow with me.... 276 quadrillion Bq of Cs-137 [And what about all the other isotopes????????] No coment from Killco.
enenews.com... g-basements-triple-chernobyls-total-release-some-has-alr



posted on Aug, 26 2013 @ 06:35 PM
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Originally posted by matadoor
This is priceless!!!

Fukushima Leaks Prompt Government to ‘Emergency Measures’

www.bloomberg.com...

Quote from the article:
...game of ‘Whack-a-Mole,’” ...


...Is a quote directly from this site .



posted on Aug, 26 2013 @ 10:49 PM
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They have the new waterslide for their tourist attraction!


fukushima-diary.com...

A press inquired if there was undetected leakage of the tanks before, Tepco stated they don’t know if there were. We didn't check.
fukushima-diary.com...

Less ground water flows into the reactor buildings now than before it blew according to tepco's own charts!
fukushima-diary.com...



posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 05:48 AM
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Is Unit 4 SFP Leaking?



This has been bothering me for awhile. It seems like a lot of "evaporation" per day...


33.93×100mm
(as of 11:00 , 8/26 )



38.94×100mm
(8/25 11:00 現在)



43.78×100mm
(8/24 11:00 現在)



47.29×100mm
(as of 11:00 , 8/23 )



52.02×100mm
(as of 11:00 , 8/22 )


Take a look at the archives (summary chart).
www.tepco.co.jp...

Back in June it only decreased a tiny bit each day:


49.85×100mm
(as of 11:00 , 6/28 )



48.51×100mm
(6/29 11:00 現在)



47.22×100mm
(6/30 11:00 現在)


And the SPF is covered now....isn't it? "Evaporation" or "Leak"? Or how much displacement of the SFP water level occur if spent fuel rod assemblies were being removed?

- Purple Chive






edit on 27-8-2013 by Purplechive because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 06:20 AM
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Originally posted by Aircooled

Originally posted by Aircooled
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Thanks Purple.
Asahi: The harbour is boiling but lets zoom in on the tanks. 2 second mark. "Maybe if we do the flyover on a cloudy day they won't notice"



And here is why the sea is boiling!
"John Large, Nuclear consultant: ...What happened is the intensely radioactive fuel is beginning to migrate into the water. And the water is seeping and migrating out of the containment. In the immediate ecosystem, of course it moves beyond that. Once it comes out of the groundwater into the marine environment, then tides and currents will take it along"
enenews.com... nto-neighborhoods-health-harm-from-this-fuel-to-last-for-thous
Too bad it doesn't migrate to tepco headquarters and burn its way up through the floors!

edit on 25-8-2013 by Aircooled because: I just realized it was an old PDF


AC - It's got to be the Strontium-90...still under analysis and * "-" indicates that the measurement was out of range."

www.tepco.co.jp...


The splitting of relatively heavy uranium atoms during reactor operation creates radioactive isotopes of several lighter elements, such as cesium-137 and strontium-90, called “fission products,” that account for most of the heat and penetrating radiation in high-level waste.


www.nrc.gov...

So Sr-90 is "out of range" because it's probably high as hell and off the friggen chart.

And AC --- time and time again -- what an eye!!


- Purple Chive



posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 09:28 PM
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PC, tep-killco has at least three cores melting and they build the ONLY SUPERSTRUCTURE at the only core ( I mean pool because the super structure does not cover the core at four which was empty) because ......er , wait, what explanation is there for that



posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 10:01 PM
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I wonder how close to fuk and which direction? Looks like the ground is 5.653 microsieverts. Roughly 55 X background.


"According to Minister Toshmitsu Motegi, former McKinsey consultant who doesn't look the part, leaks of contaminated water happening recently at Fukushima I Nuclear Power Plant are not caused by faulty engineering or lack of money, but by TEPCO and the workers at the plant not working hard enough.
I guess lazy workers caused the land to sink, then."
ex-skf.blogspot.ca...
Maybe ole Toshmitsu Motegi should head on down to fuk, grab some coveralls and a shovel and show them how?


"Warning that foundations of Fukushima reactor chambers have been “compromised"
["painfully slow progress"] C'mon.... they made things worse!
enenews.com...
"Japanese government to take over Fukushima nuclear reactor"
They did that when they nationalized.
The bungling Japanese government has finally lost patience with the bungling efforts of Tokyo Electric Power Company

www.telegraph.co.uk...



posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 10:51 PM
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Originally posted by Silverlok

Originally posted by matadoor
This is priceless!!!

Fukushima Leaks Prompt Government to ‘Emergency Measures’

www.bloomberg.com...

Quote from the article:
...game of ‘Whack-a-Mole,’” ...


...Is a quote directly from this site .


Am I reading this right? The "Whack-A-Mole" comment was made initially by someone on the ATS site! If so, could you point me to the post it is in? I would Like to read it in context. Thanx in advance.



posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 11:01 PM
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There is much being said about not knowing just where the 100 ton reactor cores from the three melted down reactors are located. But there is an easy way to find them. There is an old X-Ray technology, not used any more today, that uses a device called a lead collimator. A variation of that could be used to pinpoint the cores even if they are far underground.

If you know what a shotgun mic is then all you haven to do is replace the long channels that guide the sound to the mic with lead channels and and replace the mic with a radiation counter. Then you make sure the counter is completely shielded from radiation coming from any direction other than the lead channels.

Then you pick at least three locations around each reactor building and aim the device to pick up the highest reading at each location. It is then just a simple triangulation problem to locate the cores in three dimensions much like a directional antenna is used to triangulate a radio wave source in two dimensions.

But I am willing to bet that none of those high priced engineers even knows about the lead collimator.
edit on 27-8-2013 by happykat39 because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 11:58 PM
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Originally posted by happykat39
There is much being said about not knowing just where the 100 ton reactor cores from the three melted down reactors are located. But there is an easy way to find them. There is an old X-Ray technology, not used any more today, that uses a device called a lead collimator. A variation of that could be used to pinpoint the cores even if they are far underground.

If you know what a shotgun mic is then all you haven to do is replace the long channels that guide the sound to the mic with lead channels and and replace the mic with a radiation counter. Then you make sure the counter is completely shielded from radiation coming from any direction other than the lead channels.

Then you pick at least three locations around each reactor building and aim the device to pick up the highest reading at each location. It is then just a simple triangulation problem to locate the cores in three dimensions much like a directional antenna is used to triangulate a radio wave source in two dimensions.

But I am willing to bet that none of those high priced engineers even knows about the lead collimator.
edit on 27-8-2013 by happykat39 because: (no reason given)


Star for a brilliant post.

It is really that they do not want to know where the cores are. That would be an embarrassing situation.

Everyone needs to understand that the Japanese culture has this big thing about failure. In days somewhat gone by, if you failed then you took your own life. TEPCO does not want to admit failure.

P



posted on Aug, 28 2013 @ 08:19 AM
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interesting numbers PC

this isn't looking good for potential cleanup, looks like there is far too much damage and debris to get these out "safely" but we all know tepco isn't really safety oriented now are they.





Tepco plans to start fuel removal of reactor4 spent fuel pool from mid November. On 8/26/2013, Tepco released the debris map of SFP4 but it looks extremely difficult to remove the assemblies. Even as long as announced, deck plate of 10m long (200kg), steps for cart of 2m×1m (200kg), stage plank of 1.5m (10kg) and countless numbers of the pieces of concrete debris are on the fuel assemblies. Tepco states all the debris removal will be operated by human workers.


fukushima-diary.com...


tepco states all the debris removal will be operated by humans? i'm unsure if that's really sad or really disturbing or really funny but in any case it's not very optimistic.



posted on Aug, 28 2013 @ 05:15 PM
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Whack-a-Mole is mentioned in 5 posts in 4 pages which are as follows.

Page 153

Page 336

Page 754

Page 816

edit on 28 Aug 2013 by qmantoo because: got it right this time

edit on 28 Aug 2013 by qmantoo because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 28 2013 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by Aircooled
I wonder how close to fuk and which direction? Looks like the ground is 5.653 microsieverts. Roughly 55 X background.


It is a park in Nasu-Shiobara, Tochigi Prefecture, maybe 150 miles or 200+ km away as the plume flies. West and a little south. This is considered outside of contaminated areas, or very lightly touched.

maps.google.com... 5%8E%9F%E5%85%AC%E5%9C%92&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=36.932193,139.949255&spn=0.026654,0.063343&sll=37.352147,140.322533&sspn=0.026507,0.063343&hq=%E6%A0%83%E6% 9C%A8%E7%9C%8C%E9%82%A3%E9%A0%88%E5%A1%A9%E5%8E%9F%E5%B8%82%E3%80%80%E9%82%A3%E9%A0%88%E9%87%8E%E3%81%8C%E5%8E%9F%E5%85%AC%E5%9C%92&t=m&z=15

Silver, you're my go-to-guy when it comes to complicated scientific and mathematical formulas. How about a schematic on "Mushy" You know? Lots of fractions on the blackboard with funny letters and symbols?


“Big Problem”: Cracked floors in Fukushima reactors leaking into groundwater that’s rising and rising and rising due to Tepco wall — “Can no longer be stopped from getting in ocean” — “Worse than that… buildings now on mushy land”
enenews.com...

And a typhoon on the way.
www.wunderground.com...
Make that "Mushier"

"Because they detected 5,000 cpm on the head even after the decontamination, the worker is ordered to have whole body counter test later."... much later.
fukushima-diary.com...

Japan still has not responded to South Korea’s request for radiation data
enformable.com...

And they have raised this ground, how many feet? 3' to6'?
"Groundwater reached 10cm to the surface of the ground on the seaside of reactor2 / Tepco “No details are verified”
fukushima-diary.com...



posted on Aug, 28 2013 @ 07:01 PM
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[mor...oops looks like q got it ;-)
edit on 28-8-2013 by Silverlok because: (no reason given)


...but




Silver, you're my go-to-guy when it comes to complicated scientific and mathematical formulas. How about a schematic on "Mushy" You know? Lots of fractions on the blackboard with funny letters and symbols?


?what? I hate math..just because one is good at something does not mean they like it ( or in this case the religion and people that have grown to covet it as more important than reality ) ;-)
but explaining the obvious does seem to be my forte' Earlier this year I had to write an 8 page paper for a corporation about why it is BAD for laborers to wear pants during outside labor duties in the summer...they still argued that the image (of the company) was more important than cognitive dysfunction and 98% strength loss (from even mild dehydration )
Tepco seems cut from that mold.
SO...I am going to need a really really big chalk board ( and some extremely impressive impenetrable and swirly symbols) to explain mushy and it's relationship to stability to the nuker industry. And besides, Tepco probably wants to build a swamp because isn't the cheapest way to hide something by dumping it in the swamp . I mean isn't that what Ted Kennedy would do ?

I mean
edit on 28-8-2013 by Silverlok because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 28 2013 @ 08:40 PM
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Here is an interesting gedunkt experiment:

if even 30% of those tanks discharge after the next tsunami/earthquake event , or just leak over time ( remember even dry casks are only suppose to last 100 years and most start failing at less than 30, and those tanks are decided not million dollar casks ...they are two dollar nig gulp cups ) what happens to the soil under then ?

the radioactive (heavy/large) particles will start to get "filtered" by the soil( as hydration follows a root of the cube whereas particles size ( friction wise) follows a root of the square) . thus the total soil content in and around the plant becomes a HUGE 'sand' filter ( much like one would use for a swimming pool )

The water leaking into the water table and ocean would have "less" radiation but the soil will quickly become uber toxic...any aerobic or anaerobic bacteria in it are going to start to get a) less competition for resources and b) highly irradiated

the physical properties of the ground will become more and more gel like as the ionization from radiation and increased hydration becomes more ubiquitous and that would change the surface tension interactions among a number of molecular groups , but most importantly water.

meaning the ground will start to resemble a gumby bear in consistency and foster some NASTY fungi and bacteria as "survivors" in that environment ( the fact that it will be ph negative is not a good thing either)

Let's assume Tepco has done the thought experiment where the site is already so toxic that dumping the increasing volumne of liquid radioactive waste is THE option ( let's face it fuku is boned ) hoping that the soil will act as a filter and accumulator ( as opposed to really high radiation counts straight dumping in the ocean ) but ( as usual " tepco: our plans are always perfect") , but has not done the long range planning on the PHYSICS AND CHEMISTRY OF SOIL HYDRATION AND RADIATION ...

then the outcome of our though ex[experiment is: Tepco using the cheap-ass leaky tank fields as a way to try to reduce public perception of the problem by soaking the soil and ...as usual...buying more time before the next 'disclosure...

just a thought experiment
edit on 28-8-2013 by Silverlok because: you would think N and a would not be reasons to lose on wheel of fortune



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