reply to post by bhornbuckle75
I firmly believe a lot of it has to do with the filters, generally cultural, but academic as well, that one views the stories through. Academics, like
your Anthropology professor, are trained to look through a particular set of filters to sift out the sort of data they are looking for. It may never
occur to them to make these sorts of connections, or if it ever does, they get rejected out of hand as "unscientific". Heck, I've heard some of these
stories most of my life, and have had an interest in UFOs and the like to boot, yet I never made that connection until I saw that video. Sky People
are not described as little grey entities, they are spoken of as people like you or I, although in a fairly different living situation
stand at the moment, and for the past several years, "aliens" in the US are generally thought of as little grey guys - that's all the current rage. I
can recall a time when they were "little green men" instead, but still not "human" as one would think of a person being, even a Sky Person.
So I think the filters that an individual processes the information through has a lot to do with what they "see".
What about the "Little People" of the Iroquois or the Irish? Aliens? Legends? Something else altogether?
You mentioned Sasquatch/Bigfoot. That's a relatively recently reported west coast crypto-critter. No one ever thinks of the eastern Shawnee and Lenape
Mesingw, who has similar description. There used to be impersonators in the Lenape tribe to represent him who wore a wooden false face, and a bear
skin costume to represent his hairy body. Mesingw was a Guardian of the forest animals. You could burn tobacco to him and ask for luck in the hunt,
and it more often than not turned out that way. He was also used to scare children, and folks who abused the game. That's the cultural and religious
aspects, and they were pretty much kept in the tribes.
In the real world, in 1774, Lord Dunmore's War against several tribes, primarily the Shawnee, was prosecuted, ending in the Battle of Point Pleasant,
(now in WV). Now white men by and large had never heard of Mesingw, didn't have that particular filter to run the concept through. In Col Flerming's
Journal, early October 1774, during the march of the army along the Great Kanawha River an entry is found where Fleming records that the scouts
reported finding footprints following the army a short way up a tributary creek. The assumption was that it was indians following the army's progress.
It wasn't unusual for Indian scouts to keep track of intruders.
What WAS unusual, and the only reason these particular tracks were recorded in his journal, was that they were 14 inches long.
Mesingw? Bigfoot? A really big Indian scout? All of the above, or none of them? Who knows? I know what filter Fleming viewed it through, I know what I
think, but your mileage may vary, and an Anthropology professor's mileage may vary even more. See, it's all in what filters you sift the information
through for yourself, what preconceived views you bring to the table.
is a page with one of the Mesingw legends, a drawing of one (actually, it looks like
the impersonator the Lenapes had - note the turtle shell rattle), and a picture of one of the old masks. You decide for yourself what you think.
There are some Indians who still believe whole hog in the reality of all of the old legends, like the spiritual nature of the Thunderbirds as Truth
Bringers. There are white folks who believe in thunderbirds, too, but as entirely carnal creatures. Other folks see them only as motifs of legend.
Some tribes had legends of giant horned snakes. Cherokees called it the Uktena. Shawnees, Lenape, and several of the Great Lakes tribes also had their
legends of giant horned snakes, and giant horse-headed snakes (which live in water, and sound an awful lot like Nessie, Champ, and that lake monster
in Lake Erie whose name I can't recall just now). You can see horned rattle snakes etched in ancient shell gorgets of the Mound Builders and the
Adena, so the legends have been around a while. Anthropologists have one view, "general audience" white folks have another.
I can tell you that my dad swore that the summer he was 12 years old (around 1941) he saw, several times, the track of a giant snake. He said it
looked like someone had dragged a 12" stove pipe up the dusty logging road in a wavy pattern, and that the track indicated a poisonous snake of huge
dimensions. He only saw it that one summer, albeit on several occasions. I asked him about it again just before he died, and he swore right up to that
time that he saw what he said, and that it was a giant snake trackway.
Was it really a giant snake? I don't know. I never saw it. I know what dad believed, and I know what Anthropologists think.
I just haven't got any filters in place at all for that one, myself.
Sky People vs aliens? Maybe this is just the right time to think about that connection, so it's been made. In the same way, all of these other
connections have always been there, but it took the right time and set of circumstances to "see" them.
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