Interview with Rainbow Eagle: Space People, Abductions, and 2012

reply to post by skeptik1703


Choctaws aren't Cherokees, of any stripe. They're Choctaws. I've never heard of an "Okla-Choctaw", either, but I presumed he was identifying himself with the Choctaws in Oklahoma.

Thanks for the information - I'll research that name. The "Rainbow" part sort of reminded me of that "Rainbow tribe" of the "Grandmother" lady, which is, as near as I can tell, as fake as it gets - set up to fleece New Agers with a Grand Unified Pan Indian religious tradition made up on the fly.

Still, that's not a disqualifier, either. Just because a name has a similarity to some other known fake moniker doesn't make an automatic association.

Since you've got his white name, and made the claim that he's white, what documentation have you got to confirm that background for him?

my Uncles has been adopted for many years, they implanted something inside of his ears. I dont blame those who didn't believe that alien experimenting on us because it takes one to experience it to believe it.

Adoption is a great gift, To adopt is to adapt, there are things older than eldest, much before sin, much before peoples, It's the abilty to listen, listening is an art, go back out the door you draged that which you brought with you, Balance that which you know of, this time know where your going. Speak easy

@ maxmars:

yah, it is up to the keepers of the tribal rolls, and they have ways of determining actual relationships to tribes. now, of course, there is dna linking as well.

but don't think that your intellectual integrity could keep another from playing on people's gullibility. look up "ward churchill" and see the controversy surrounding this guy whose entire career was based on his presumption of cherokee blood - at the end of your digging you will find that he was allowed an 'honorary status' on an authentic cherokee roll during an 'open period' that many soon regretted. find videos on churchill on youtube and see how angrily he answers queries to his provenance and pedigree. and one might argue that he is beset on all sides by these questions - but to that i answer, if he had just once and finally answered to the average person's satisfaction [like pulling out a birth certificate, or giving some tangible proof], he wouldn't still be finding himself backed up against that wall.

i am 1/4 southwestern native american, though i grew up in the streets being called a "huero" or "whiteboy" - i don't look nish either, but then i don't claim to be on any rolls and i don't claim to have studied with a bunch of *unnamed* "elders.

Originally posted by Mr_skepticc

I couldn't have said it better myself. Nothing to see here folks, just another guy trying to make a buck off the weaker ones in our society who need something, anything to be true other than the fact, you live - you die!

That's rather non-sequitur way of thinking seems to indicate that because he is an alleged charlatan, it follows that Native American spirituality is false (though I do presume you hold that opinion of metaphysics in general.)

Also, that we live and die was never in question. It is about existing in a manner that many want to understand.

@ nenothtu...

a little online searching will give you anything you want. his name came off a site you might even know: ufocongress.com...

you are asking questions that go back to the concept of "qualifying" - that is, announcing or indicating certain qualities or traits that 'qualify' one to participate in a given social activity.

i am up to my neck in indian studies, given that i am currently writing a book on socialisation practices among various tribe. so i know from experience that native americans generally qualify by announcing their tribal connection and making certain kinds of references. they tend to speak clearly and concisely about things that vary from person to person - but the unifying thing is that they are identifying clearly. this guy is doing the exact opposite, which is a habit of the white usurpers - they generalise, they stop just short (as in giving the name of the shaman with whom they've 'studied,' where a native person might be expected to ask, "yoiu know red elk, right?" and then go on with their story.

you're right - i have no proof that this guy is white. no more proof than this guy is giving that he is nish. but i tell you that i would bet every horse i have that you'd find out he is not native, given the way that he is presenting what one would consider "his" "sacred" "beliefs."

Likely because they were neighbors in the southeast and wound up as neighbors in the midwest, they are merely considered "cousins" in the "Five Civilized Tribes."

i too am somewhat of an outsider - not a rez indian and definitely palefaced - but i've lived among rez indians since i first dared the government to kill me over sacred land more than 40 years ago. and i tell ya - the guy is a fraud.

You guys! I read the posts before I watched the vid, and I am surprised over the responses.
Personally, I thought this man said many things. He spoke of our need to learn to develop cosmic relationships, and after the end of this cycle (2012) he believes we've got "company coming". He said quite a lot, I thought. Read between the lines.

I also found him seemingly authentic, in appearance and thought.

Thank you, Trueman, for the link to the Alverto Taxo video. I would like to say that he has the loveliest smile, I can "feel" the spirituality pouring off him, and what an inspiring message he gives...
I hope many follow his advice.

Originally posted by Sarahko
OK, thanks for the interview and everything...but ...was this the only place to do it? It looks like they are clearing tables after a sort of Oktober Fest!

And this guy?!?! Rainbow Eagle?? Funky name, yes, but come on, I could have worn a white wig and talked more, been more convincing and profound than him. He has no charisma, no aura....I don`t feel he said anyhing new or transcendental...

Or is it just me? Did I miss out on something big??

Hi Sarahko
I was thinking... I would trust this man before i would a person that is charismatic and thinks they have all the "answers". No person has the answers.

I think if there ever is a galactic event, And there is a "know" to know than thats when we'll know.

All native names are funky to our oppre....er..uh..other people.
Thanks Sarah-ko for pointing that out.

As far as location of the interview, I would take what i could get if i wanted an interview, and had the opportunity.
In my case it might be Ron Paul. I don't care if its at a parking attendants booth waiting for our cars.

I think I will search Engine "Blue Star native beliefs" later. Well, you know. One never knows.
Oh Ah I wasn’t expecting an aura. What's up with that?

reply to post by ladyinwaiting


thanks for your most welcome fresh and tolerant breeze... it is most appreciated.

yah, he said "many things" - so does my sister's parrot. "many things" is not enough. but i get what you mean. mush of what he said has value. ok, fine. then say it as yourself, and don't steal someone else's culture to wrap it up in. can you see that this is the ultimate indignity and insult to a people who have had everything else taken away from them?

just as a matter of practicality, if one is going to present a philosophy, one's integrity should be impeccable, so as not to taint one's message.

and you said it best: "seemingly authentic" - he's a nonstarter in my book.

again, thanks for your gentleness...

reply to post by AboveTopSecret.com


I have to emphasize that I really appreciate the fact that ATS makes these interviews possible and available for the forum community !!

This is the first time that I hear of this Mr. Rainbow Eagle. So I don't have much to comment on. Good questions, vague and sloooooooooow answers.

Will have to read more about this guy to have a better (or worse) opinion.

reply to post by skeptik1703


I've done a little background work in the interim. Nothing binding. There are indications that he is indeed a Choctaw, possibly registered on the rolls in Oklahoma. His dad appears to have been a full-blood Choctaw, I've not found anything much on his mom yet, so can't say if he himself can claim to be full blood or not, but "full blood" to me is a white-guy thing, anyhow. There are instances of people who have not a drop of a tribes blood in their veins that are none the less full tribal members, not "honorary".

He seems to have been educated in OK in the 60's (BS, Northeastern Oklahoma State University, 1965; Masters, Same School, 1969), and since then has worked in various capacities, mostly social-work related and educational (such as an elementary school teacher in Iowa 1965-1969) in Oklahoma, Iowa, Missouri, and a long stretch in the 80's in Ohio.

Not much to actually be proven as to his "Indian-ness" without actually digging into the rolls of the Choctaw, what I've found are just indicators - I hesitate to even call them "evidence", but they are what they are. They come from his own CV, here.

I haven't found anything to link him to any actual Shamans, other than bits and pieces of what he himself says, which I probably can't comprehend rightly. I have reservations (bad pun, I know, but I find irony wherever I can) based on some other things. For example, I know nothing of the Seven Fires or any Peace Shield, other than that they are Anishinabe. I have to question WHY a Choctaw was "chosen" to spread the word for Anishinabes, and WHY the Sacred Bundle of the Peace Shield was opened in Taos, so far from Anishinabe lands.

When the Shawnees open their sacred bundles, it's done on the tribal ceremonial grounds in Oklahoma - in Shawnee territory.

Another nagging thing is the "Rainbow" name, which is slightly compounded because I find that one of his co-authors is a woman with "Rainbow" in HER name, too. Again, that's not "proof" of anything at all, it just nags at me because "Grandmother's Rainbow Tribe" keeps poking me in the back of the head. I don't think the "Rainbow Tribe" even HAS rolls. Can't quite grasp what even makes it a "tribe". They are the sort of thing I referred to when I was talking about white folks trying to co-opt the culture of others and re-make it in their own image.

All in all, I can't yet find any fault in his words that I can't explain, but that again means exactly nothing as far as confirmation goes. Finding his connections and what authority he speaks on, on the other hand, would go a long way into the yeas or nays of the matter. Maybe Masqua can shed some light on the Anishinabe-Choctaw "connection", as I believe he's a lot better versed in the Seven Fires and the Peace Shield, and may have an explanation as to why a Choctaw claims to be the speaker for it.

I know that in the past several years there have been a lot of Intertribal Councils. We have one here every year, with some tribes from as far away as Mexico participating. As far as I know, though, there hasn't been any intertribal religion swapping, or authorizations for a member of one tribe to speak for any other. Maybe I'm just behind the times, but I can state with all certainty that there have been no Rainbow Tribe representatives present.

Thank you for the response. Truly, I mean no disrespect. I am not challenging anyone on this matter, simply trying to assure myself this isn't construed in a manner outside our community's intent to discover the wisdom of an ancient people. The desire to learn is true in aim and purely honorable in it's intent.

We must not brashly distance ourselves from the message because the messenger is suspect.
We must also not naively ignore the relationship between the message and the messenger.

Both are required for balanced and informed discussions.

So while I strongly encourage your inquiries; they should be limited to the facts... Claiming someone is a fraud and a charlatan is a serious accusation, in my opinion; one which should require total confidence in the facts. This is not meant as an endorsement of the material, nor a challenge to it. We offer the material for the benefit of the community, in the sincere hopes that it is understood, it is up to the community to choose to add to the discussion, not silence it.

With respect.

reply to post by AboveTopSecret.com


I'm always quite skeptical of things like this. Why is their no mention of UFO/Alien belief in the countless chronicles of N.American Indian folklore....many scholars have had very close ties to such communities. We know many, many things about their culture, and their mythology. Yet not a single mention of anything like this at all.....that is until it becomes profitable to do so, because the Western World is talking about it. And who is it to come forward with this incredible information? A wise council comprised of the leaders of all of the remaining tribes of North America. Nope....its some guy who calls himself "Rainbow Eagle". Yeah...I'm not too impressed. If I was an Indian I'd probably consider conning White folk too....I mean hey, considering what us White folk did to them,....its not as if we could have the moral high ground to really judge the guy. Whether he rips us off with one of his tribes casino's or with scams like this...I can't really blame the guy too badly!

Originally posted by bhornbuckle75
reply to post by AboveTopSecret.com

 

I'm always quite skeptical of things like this. Why is their no mention of UFO/Alien belief in the countless chronicles of N.American Indian folklore....

It may be up to a matter of how you interpret what you hear, what filter one sifts it through. There is mention of "Sky People" and close connections with certain stars in some of the old stories, but I never thought "OMG! That's ALIENS!" Never entertained the notion at all, but this man's take on some of that can lead to speculative connections. Not firm, but speculation can be fun! On the other hand, making aliens of them could lead to the ruination of some otherwise perfectly entertaining stories.

many scholars have had very close ties to such communities. We know many, many things about their culture, and their mythology. Yet not a single mention of anything like this at all...

Scholars have their own lenses through which they view things, which may be at severe odds with the way natives view them. One man's Thunderbird may be an actual critter to him, an old legend to another, a deity to another, a mythological pastiche to yet another, and a primitive explanation of meteorological phenomena to yet another. Guess which one of those scholars see when the look at a Thunderbird.

My point is, that scholarly view is not the only one in existence, it's just the only one to get reported in journals.

..that is until it becomes profitable to do so, because the Western World is talking about it. And who is it to come forward with this incredible information? A wise council comprised of the leaders of all of the remaining tribes of North America. Nope....its some guy who calls himself "Rainbow Eagle". Yeah...I'm not too impressed.

Ah, the heart of the matter. I myself would be less suspicious if the information were freely given, rather than for sale.

If I was an Indian I'd probably consider conning White folk too....I mean hey, considering what us White folk did to them,....its not as if we could have the moral high ground to really judge the guy. Whether he rips us off with one of his tribes casino's or with scams like this...I can't really blame the guy too badly!

Been to a casino lately? I hear they're popping up like mushrooms after a rain! Still, what is being sold there is white folks culture back to themselves. Selling your own culture for a price to outsiders is an entirely different thing.

reply to post by nenothtu


Good point about selling out his culture...I hadn't thought about it that way. I'm also not entirely familiar with sky people myths....but I might look into that...in fact I have heard of that before, but it seems that I never heard of it, till very recently. I certainly don't remember hearing of it from my Anthropology Professor (she spent a lot of time living with Indians...I can't remember the tribe off the top of my head).

I can think of an example of a myth that was immediately picked up and applied to a paranormal (or at least cryptozoological) phenomenon..... The Sasquatch.... Myths about him were immediatly recognized as being quite similar to our tales of Bigfoot, and furthermore the tales of the Yeti from other cultures. If these were so quickly identified as having a possible kinship within N. American mythology, then why would 'sky people' not have been identified with UFO's/Aliens until now?

reply to post by skeptik1703

Thanks Skeptic.. I will do some research also as I see no links to where you got your quoted information from.

But thanks for replying.

reply to post by bhornbuckle75


I firmly believe a lot of it has to do with the filters, generally cultural, but academic as well, that one views the stories through. Academics, like your Anthropology professor, are trained to look through a particular set of filters to sift out the sort of data they are looking for. It may never occur to them to make these sorts of connections, or if it ever does, they get rejected out of hand as "unscientific". Heck, I've heard some of these stories most of my life, and have had an interest in UFOs and the like to boot, yet I never made that connection until I saw that video. Sky People are not described as little grey entities, they are spoken of as people like you or I, although in a fairly different living situation As things stand at the moment, and for the past several years, "aliens" in the US are generally thought of as little grey guys - that's all the current rage. I can recall a time when they were "little green men" instead, but still not "human" as one would think of a person being, even a Sky Person.

So I think the filters that an individual processes the information through has a lot to do with what they "see".

What about the "Little People" of the Iroquois or the Irish? Aliens? Legends? Something else altogether?

You mentioned Sasquatch/Bigfoot. That's a relatively recently reported west coast crypto-critter. No one ever thinks of the eastern Shawnee and Lenape Mesingw, who has similar description. There used to be impersonators in the Lenape tribe to represent him who wore a wooden false face, and a bear skin costume to represent his hairy body. Mesingw was a Guardian of the forest animals. You could burn tobacco to him and ask for luck in the hunt, and it more often than not turned out that way. He was also used to scare children, and folks who abused the game. That's the cultural and religious aspects, and they were pretty much kept in the tribes.

In the real world, in 1774, Lord Dunmore's War against several tribes, primarily the Shawnee, was prosecuted, ending in the Battle of Point Pleasant, (now in WV). Now white men by and large had never heard of Mesingw, didn't have that particular filter to run the concept through. In Col Flerming's Journal, early October 1774, during the march of the army along the Great Kanawha River an entry is found where Fleming records that the scouts reported finding footprints following the army a short way up a tributary creek. The assumption was that it was indians following the army's progress. It wasn't unusual for Indian scouts to keep track of intruders.

What WAS unusual, and the only reason these particular tracks were recorded in his journal, was that they were 14 inches long.

Mesingw? Bigfoot? A really big Indian scout? All of the above, or none of them? Who knows? I know what filter Fleming viewed it through, I know what I think, but your mileage may vary, and an Anthropology professor's mileage may vary even more. See, it's all in what filters you sift the information through for yourself, what preconceived views you bring to the table.

Here is a page with one of the Mesingw legends, a drawing of one (actually, it looks like the impersonator the Lenapes had - note the turtle shell rattle), and a picture of one of the old masks. You decide for yourself what you think.

There are some Indians who still believe whole hog in the reality of all of the old legends, like the spiritual nature of the Thunderbirds as Truth Bringers. There are white folks who believe in thunderbirds, too, but as entirely carnal creatures. Other folks see them only as motifs of legend.

Some tribes had legends of giant horned snakes. Cherokees called it the Uktena. Shawnees, Lenape, and several of the Great Lakes tribes also had their legends of giant horned snakes, and giant horse-headed snakes (which live in water, and sound an awful lot like Nessie, Champ, and that lake monster in Lake Erie whose name I can't recall just now). You can see horned rattle snakes etched in ancient shell gorgets of the Mound Builders and the Adena, so the legends have been around a while. Anthropologists have one view, "general audience" white folks have another.

I can tell you that my dad swore that the summer he was 12 years old (around 1941) he saw, several times, the track of a giant snake. He said it looked like someone had dragged a 12" stove pipe up the dusty logging road in a wavy pattern, and that the track indicated a poisonous snake of huge dimensions. He only saw it that one summer, albeit on several occasions. I asked him about it again just before he died, and he swore right up to that time that he saw what he said, and that it was a giant snake trackway.

Was it really a giant snake? I don't know. I never saw it. I know what dad believed, and I know what Anthropologists think.

I just haven't got any filters in place at all for that one, myself.

Sky People vs aliens? Maybe this is just the right time to think about that connection, so it's been made. In the same way, all of these other connections have always been there, but it took the right time and set of circumstances to "see" them.

To Rainbow Eagle.

Sir,

As the year is now 2011 but 5772 in the Hebrew calendar this is the time of Apocalypse/Armageddon according to the 'Christian' Bible.

Jesus always was a FALSE concept as Jesus = Jésu = J'ai su, French from Egyptian Coptic simply meaning I have known (past tense) or had knowledge of the flesh (had sex)

You were right all along the white man has always spoken with a forked tongue, the tongue of a snake.

It was a snake that is supposed to have tempted Eve in the Garden of Eden. (One eyed 'trouser snake' simply the male penis.)

I am sure that life was better before the white man built all his skyscapers and railroads. Maybe if it was 1000 years ago in the time of your forefathers and before tobacco and 'firewater' and the white mans science when only Native Americans lived in America long before all the cities were built.

So I suspect that our creator has finished with this planet and has moved on.

The close passage of Mars (ancient name 'Nibiru') on the 29th October 2005 denotes the 'Second Coming' and spells out the end of time.

The first time, many moons ago, Mars collided with the Earth raining 'hell fire and brimstone' upon the Earth.

The dinosaurs, conceived ON Mars, FELL onto the Earth given rise to legends about 'dragons' 'godzilla' , etc.

Crocodiles and Alligators were also not known on the Earth before the collision.

We have almost no resources to support the global population of some six billion rabbit men and bunny women.

Rabbi = Rabbit

Good luck to you and your people, but I have to say that we did hear a very angry voice, way out in space say, "I should have got rid of these dogs long ago."

Satan will always say that he/it is 'god' but god is just the opposite spelling of dog and the jews represent satan vengeance and death. Essentially they are a non-people with no lands of their own until 1948 when Israel was established stealing the Land from the Palestinians.

You would have to understand the beginnings of creation and the original religion and creation model of ancient Egypt to understand all there is to know. It is highly complex.

All we can do is to try to prevent the global use of ABC WMD, I just hope that I succeed...

Your sincerely.

Ian Chattan ex NATO SIS EUROPE

[email protected]

Maybe someone would be good enough to relay this to Rainbow Eagle as I dont have an email application.

reply to post by ianchattan


If that was parody then it was quite brilliant! If it was actually your literal beliefs however.....well....lets just say you are a bit confused about a few things. There was quite a bit of connections made that really had no basis in fact....of course, like I said though if it was a parody...(not sure if that word describes what I think you were doing....perhaps more of a stream of consciousness random connection type of thing)....if thats what you were going for then bravo, sir. Bravo....very good. Sort of an poetic, art piece thing? ..I actually enjoyed it in that sense.... I hope thats what it was......cause yeah...otherwise....it was sorta just wrong. Not to mention a bit anti-semitic.