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Brainwashing required to continue the market system.

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posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 03:56 AM
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Hello ATS my first thread, this has to be addressed.

Corporations have convinced us or brainwashed most people in America and the world that we have to have X number of material possessions and the possibility of gaining infinitely more material possessions, in order to be happy.

That's just not true.

So why do people continue to buy in this way which is ultimately eco-genocidal in its systemic effects cumulatively?
And it just is classical & operant conditioning.
You simply put inputs of conditioning into the organism and you have outputs of desired behaviors or goals or objectives.

And it has all the resources of technology and they boast about how they get into the minds of infants what they hear is already making them conditioned to the brand.

Then you see, that's how people have been such fools.
They have been taught to be fools.
It's a value system disorder.

You know, if there is any testament to the plasticity of the human mind.
If there is any proof to how malleable human thought is and how easily conditioned and guided people can become based on the nature of their environmental stimulus and what it reinforces: the world of commercial advertising is the proof.

You have to stand in awe at the level of brainwashing where these programmed robots known as "consumers"
wander the landscape only to walk into a store and spend, say 4000$ on a handbag that likely cost 10 dollars to make in a sweatshop overseas.

Only for the brand status it supposedly represents in the culture.

Or perhaps the ancient communal traditions which increase trust and cohesiveness in society - which have now been hijacked by acquisitive materialistic values where now we annually exchange useless crap a few times a year. (Christmas)

And we might wonder why so many today have a compulsion to shopping and acquisition when it is clear that they have conditioned from childhood to expect material goods as a sign of their status with friends and family.
The fact is, the foundation of any society are the values that support its operation and our society, as it exists can only operate if our values support the conspicuous consumption it requires to continue the market system.

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posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 04:08 AM
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must buy latest lady gaga c.d , watch latest romcom , eat mcdonalds , believe every word on t.v, the government is friend obey .



posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 05:56 AM
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I agree!

Big changes need to be made.

Think about this simple change in mindset and the difference it would make in our world.

The Capitalist System is based on supply and demand.

1. Entrepreneurs have ideas
2. They make stuff
3. We decide whether or not we want the stuff
4. It either flies off the shelves or it sits there.

With this system the Capitalist is the winner.
You might say "the consumer" wins but I ask you when was the last time you felt you got real value or your moneys worth for anything?
With this system - you have a great deal of waste.
Wasted products
Wasted efforts.
You also have a great deal of fraud and false advertising. You have people being fooled, tricked and swindled into thinking it DOES this or that, and they NEED this or that, and finally buying it only to discover it cost more than it was worth, doesn't do this or that, and they didn't ever need it.

This is making a few dubious Capitalist rich and bankrupting the country in the process.

Let's change our CAPITALIST DRIVEN system of Supply and Demand ...

To a PEOPLE DRIVEN system of DEMAND and SUPPLY.

DEMAND

1. People determine what they need based on their own priorities
2. People decide what items are essential and what are luxuries
3. People choose what they need produced, the price point and the materials that go into it.
4. People monitor and tailor to their requirements...the safety and convince of the product

SUPPLY

5. Manufacturers bid on the chance to produce whatever the people need.
6. The people choose the best and cheapest manufacturer for the product
7. The manufacturers makes the product
8. The people purchase the product

This would not be the end of the entrepreneur since once the essentials of peoples lives were adequately met (this includes things like healthy food stores, dog and people parks, sidewalks, stadiums and streetlights) Important things people endlessly hope CITY PLANNERS will offer them....people will be looking for trendy products and buy them also.
With the way we are going we will end up with a planet full of nothing but useless debris and totally void of what people need. In a people driven system there would be enough people growing the food we need to go around. Companies would no longer get paid NOT to grow what the people are demanding nor would they be subsidized to produce things people don't want....

...like corn ethanol...for example. Even school children know beets and sugar produce more energy units but we are presently using the less efficient corn for ethanol method which is making the WRONG PEOPLE MONEY. Something like this never would have passed the PEOPLE TEST.

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posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 06:10 AM
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75 years ago consumption in America and much of the 1st world was half of what we see today, per person.

Today's new consumer culture has been manufactured and imposed due to the very real need for higher and higher levels of consumption.

And this is why most corporations now spend more money on advertising, than the actual process of product creation itself.

They work diligently to create a false need for you to fill.

And it happens to work.



posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 03:11 AM
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People are now buying TV rights, Air Time, those with lots of money, are in control with our Media, no matter what country.

They air stuff that favorite their country.

People tend to know this, but people are to afraid of their own shadow these days, so nothing will be done.



posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 03:30 AM
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It's complete brainwashing to be against capitalism. It's those who don't understand economics 101 who are brainwashed to think socialism is a good economic system. Forget all the math, simply just read a book like Economics in One Lesson. From a young age people are brought up with collectivist ideals, so when they think they're looking at reality the way it is, they're actually looking at it through perceptions molded into them from birth. They think they're out-of-the-box thinkers but they've been in the box all throughout their educational careers.
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posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 05:35 AM
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Originally posted by 547000
They think they're out-of-the-box thinkers but they've been in the box all throughout their educational careers.


Its all about our environments, how we see the world. but people tend to agree when big groups of people agrees..

People use statistics to prove points, but if people really did their own research, things would be in a different direction.

I heard people at the train stations, say and i quote : The most stupid thing you do is learning by your own..

what?! really! what kinda environments teach those people to say stuff like that?

and that persons friends next to her, all said "yes!" oO ..

We live in a very predictable world these days.



posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 06:37 AM
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I agree, the way mainstream economics is studied is silly. Unlike with the sciences, there are way too many variables to be isolated. You can't really say a numeric equation is predictive law of economics, because there are too many variables to account for. That's why I subscribe to the Austrian school of thought, where actions are analyzed through an individual's incentives and logical consequences of a policy. For example, the empirical observations that raising minimum wage leads to higher unemployment can be misleading, but the logical consequence that bosses will have to let go of employees they can't afford given their budget explains it better.



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 02:39 PM
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You know economists, in fact, are not economists at all.
They're propagandists of money value and you will find that all of their models basically get down to token exchanges that are true to profit of one side or both sides or whatever but they are completely disconnected from the actually existing world of reproduction.



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 03:19 PM
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This topic is something I specifically talk about, on my blog and in my book, which if you want to, are quite easy to find.

This brainwashing is expertly defined in the film, "the century of self" which is also easy to find.

I call this brainwashing "hyper-manipulation" and articles like this are a step in the right direction to combat it.

After all, "to name it is to claim it, and to claim it is to take away its power."

Solutions, on the other hand, are much more difficult to come by.

For starters, we could make things that last, rather than "planned obsolescence"
we could (and I know I'm gonna get pounced on for this,) come up with one global currency and actually make it fair.

We could get ride of money and trade altogether.

but things are so far away from us, for the most part, to even utter them is to be looked upon as a crazy person.

Yet, I exist...



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 03:20 PM
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Brainwashing, is required by modernity, because so much of life is "busy work."
Sometimes, one line is all you need...
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posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 03:35 PM
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I just HATE the planned obsolescence. Garbage garbage garbage. < The crap that falls apart, and then you have to throw it out into the garbage, where it makes more landfill garbage. This might sound really weird, but I have this hair blow dryer, which I have owned for SO long, that I cannot recall when I first got it. I know that it's been with me, since the 1970's. It was American made. Sturdy, high quality, it still works, sitting in my bathroom, until my next shower. It's big, ugly, and grayish, and some duct tape surrounds a couple places where it cracked when I'd drop it.
I don't recognize my country and this world anymore. Where am I?



posted on Mar, 30 2011 @ 05:39 AM
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Brainwashing aint just around for the Market system, they have sheets and piles of documentations how to divide and conquer this world.

With lies we everyday see from MSM, from our Propaganda Tubes.



posted on Mar, 30 2011 @ 05:55 AM
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All you need to do is look at advertising, Advertising creates desires for things we don't really need by making us feel that something is missing from our lives. Look at how advertising created a desire for bottled water for an example. Something that falls from our skies and runs from our taps can be packaged and branded and sold for a profit.
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posted on Mar, 30 2011 @ 06:10 AM
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Originally posted by schawalski
must buy latest lady gaga c.d , watch latest romcom , eat mcdonalds , believe every word on t.v, the government is friend obey .


Second line, I had to.



posted on Mar, 30 2011 @ 06:23 AM
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One of the best examples is the entertainment business, the co-joining of music which appeals to a wide mass, with a branching or geometry of symbols that grows stronger through repetition, desensitization, and association.

These symbols then become mental collectors of lyrics/ideology/rhetoric : another person or systems inductive reasoning or fallacy adopted which project ideas that extra step or step past logical responses, and result in the additional attachment of memories and personal thought constructs which endear the new geometry to heart.

Once culturally adopted, the symbols mesh identities, become overwrought standards, complete with mores and clique profiles of roughly recognized weight among the like-minded, and fester as impure, often poorly considered guages of actual worth. Our weights and measures in society have incorporated the symbology most associated with generational gap divisions, because it gets changed up that drastically every ten years or so. This breeds division and contempt for the majority of it's interactive life (before old symbology and the mental constructs twined among them are, with fashion, replaced), division and contempt among people, allowing a thin margin of approval between those who "know what it's all about".

This results in a perceived value in the endless comparsions between icons, 99 ways to compare role models, 99 ways to compare oneself to role models, 99 ways to make another feel inferior/superior to another based on those symbols and their associative meanings, and the damage is done.

One of the best threads I've read this year was a recent one, and I think pianopraze nailed it when he spoke of esoterica.


Before analyzing it I will answer the obvious question: "If they are trying to kill us off why tell us?"

Answer: because they think they gain esoteric power to carry out their plans.

This is why the "awards ceremonies" are used to carry out esoteric rituals. Ever find them incomprehensible? Start researching esotericism and you will understand what you are seeing.

Many forms of magic focus on WILL... Aleister Crowley said it succinctly:

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

Magick is the Science and Art of causing Change to occur in conformity with Will.

They are trying to impose their will on us... to make us die. They think they gain extra power by showing their plans to us. And how do they show us these plans? Through Hollywood..... Holly Wood was used to form wands for the casting of spells. What is holly associated with in these esoteric practice?


Gaga and Beyonce Telephone: mind control, eugenics & overpopulation, poisoning the world through GMO
pianopraze
www.abovetopsecret.com...

The thread had some fantastic links to artists once, or still, controlled by Monarch handlers, the symbols they utilized, and the art which resulted. These form the heart of our western mainstream music industry, which plays off the competitive underground artists/symbology/ideology for the ruling circles of influence over listeners helms.

Who can calculate the damage the willfulness of the occult has wreaked in our culture, driven by the corporate sponsors, controlled behind the scenes by a black-hearted agenda to debase art in all it's forms and corrupt society?
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posted on Mar, 30 2011 @ 06:24 AM
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Awesome thread.
One of my favorite topics, and one of the subjects of many arguments.

You see it almost exactly the way I see it.
Because years ago, when it was cost of quality OVER cost of marketing, people had a real choice.
Now, it seems the companies know how to market to certain people, i.e., strategic marketing, which is a course offered in most colleges, in order to obtain a level of profit.

It no longer matters what you want or need.
It matters what they offer to sell you.
Or what they think you need...in order to "fit-in".
These people know exactly what they are doing.

I wouldn't call that capitalism at all.

And I absolutely love how people will continuously defend this strategy as a good one.
Saying, you have a choice.

No, in reality, you don't.
Want to know why?

Because they have the money to corner the market.
They can provide cheap goods, because we don't have the money for quality goods.
Well, we would have the money for quality if it were more readily available.(and with less taxes)
But that would cut into profits and Lord knows we don't want that.
Just use food as an example.
"You can choose to buy healthy food rather than junk."
If you don't have the money, there is no choice.
Junk is cheaper, it's marketed more, and strategically towards kids.
So you have a cornered market.



But I do see change coming.
Because when profits rule the land, people get fed up.
When companies lose money, because we aren't buying what they offer, they start sinking.
You will see all the rats jump overboard once that ship goes down.

Brainwashing?
No.
In college it's taught as strategic marketing.





posted on Mar, 30 2011 @ 06:37 AM
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It no longer matters what you want or need.
It matters what they offer to sell you.
Or what they think you need...in order to "fit-in".
These people know exactly what they are doing.

Yes , for example all the crap they put in your food, but it tastes good.
Most of the products are designed to inhibit your natural senses, to limit your perception.

I see the consumer already as a zombie, conditioned by the surrounding.
If you live in a world raped in plastic for a while you will think it's normal.

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posted on Mar, 30 2011 @ 06:59 AM
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the ego is all about self identification with the external world, meaning one uses (and needs) the external world to define the self. it is all about identity. this can be applied to more than just stuff.

but it isn't the "stuff" that is bad. and it isn't the corporations that are bad. it is the mind, the ego, one's perception of "stuff" that needs to be addressed. stuff is really just part of creation, part of one's life experience. right now from the perspective of creation we (especially in america) value cheap (and more and more) stuff over quality, because we sooooo heavily identify with the external world. we believe that our external world (our stuff, our house, our job, our families, our money) is who we are.

this is why corporations have been able to do what they have done. once we move ourselves into a place where we no longer self identify with the external world (operate from the ego), we will have a much different relationship with "stuff". it won't exist for us to define the self with. it will exist only for enjoyment. and one will resonate with the "stuff" that comes from and is created by creating from the heart. which is not corporate america.



posted on Mar, 30 2011 @ 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by nicolet
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the ego is all about self identification with the external world, meaning one uses (and needs) the external world to define the self. it is all about identity. this can be applied to more than just stuff.

but it isn't the "stuff" that is bad. and it isn't the corporations that are bad. it is the mind, the ego, one's perception of "stuff" that needs to be addressed. stuff is really just part of creation, part of one's life experience. right now from the perspective of creation we (especially in america) value cheap (and more and more) stuff over quality, because we sooooo heavily identify with the external world. we believe that our external world (our stuff, our house, our job, our families, our money) is who we are.

Agreed.
But when man takes advantage of said 'ego'...that's when the problem arises.
A mindset or thought pattern can be altered in the slightest way.
Influenced by environments, activity, or emotions, one's thoughts are easily swayed.
So you have to think, "Why would a 'scheme' be deployed to drive profits?"
By scheme, I mean marketing strategy.
Everything sold to consumers has some kind of corporate idea behind it.
An idea that is spawned to provide an easier way to sell the said item.
Basically, it all boils down to money and profits.


this is why corporations have been able to do what they have done. once we move ourselves into a place where we no longer self identify with the external world (operate from the ego), we will have a much different relationship with "stuff". it won't exist for us to define the self with. it will exist only for enjoyment. and one will resonate with the "stuff" that comes from and is created by creating from the heart. which is not corporate america.

Nicely said.
But I don't see corporations as a group.
There are powerful people behind every single corporation that make decisions.
Decisions based highly around profit margins.
All based on how to make more money.
Sometimes at the cost of entire economies.


I think people just need to decide what's more important in life.
Money or well-being.
Sadly, the majority choose the money.








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