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Originally posted by pisces77
Speaking as someone who rents a home, doesn't own (purely by choice, but even tho i am not looking for a pre-built home, we are now looking to purchase some land as close to the middle of nowhere as possible, simply because I feel that is the way we can become more self-sufficient ), who drives a car that is 14 years old and am about to purchase another new-used car with money I have saved because I choose to not be in debt, who plants and grows food in her own garden because I know that my open-pollinated seeds will be worth more one day than money itself, who has ONE (YES folks, that is ONE) tv in her household (that happens to be ten years old -- and not a 'big screen' deal because I do NOT believe that the television should be the focal point in the home) despite the fact four humans live in it and two are children, and who for the first time in her 34 years is seeing a cohesive and consistent upswing in the consciousness & spiritual level of the humans on this planet, I say the OP is right on!
FOLKS, please understand that STUFF is not what is going to, or will ever, make you consistently happy. Instant gratification, maybe. but true happiness? NO. So gas prices, the housing market, food costs, all of this is forcing us to get our priorities straight. This needs to happen. We are way too materialistic and really truly delusional in thinking that more money & stuff is actually what this life is about.
There is a transition happening, and for those that are still numb and zombified by the sense gratification techniques of this world it will be a painful transition, as we are seeing. However, for those that are focused, awake (truly awake), and have realized that the interconnectedness of this universe cannot simply be tossed aside, it is a welcome transition that will finally cut through the illusions that have been keeping us blind for so long.
Originally posted by sinohptik
So, instead of bickering and "showing" people how they view the world is "wrong..."
Why dont we figure out how to continue to make things better for the one perspective, or start making things better for the other perspective. both have their validity, period.
if one is actually trying to accomplish something with this thread beyond the typical bickering, i fail to see it. I have been posting several times with the same "what now?" question.
If we are going to inevitably continue to grow, what direction will that be?
Discussing this would be significantly more productive than proposing ones own "yea" viewpoint to be correct and accurate as opposed to the "delusions" of the "nay" side. We get that in most threads here anyway, no need to add to it..
Perhaps i have misunderstood the intent here. I will say this thread has clearly shown the issue of bickering between the dualistic sides leading to absolutely nothing being done. Over ten pages now of "im right!"..."no, im right!" The car could be going towards a cliff, but its occupants will be more concerned with arguing whether the road up to that point was beautiful or ugly.
Originally posted by Skyfloating
Originally posted by B.Morrison
I wanted the whole game to change. I don't like the game. I don't want it.
-B.M
So here we are. I love the game. You don't. What next?
Originally posted by galadofwarthethird
The world is getting better and better. Hmm well kind of, for every thing that is changed and uplifted another problem takes its place, and the world is getting better in small leaps and at a snails pace.
Originally posted by spy66
But in the future medicin will be hard to come by unless we can find a replacement for fossil fuel energy. So that we can keep the current rate of requirement for resources to create medicin. We have not figured that one out yet.
Originally posted by skylightsintheillions
No, I haven't been to Africa, but I know that traveling the countries you did is far more advisable than say, Congo, Ivory Coast, Liberia. So please, don't try and demean my point of view because I haven't traveled to Africa. Your going there doesn't say much for the countries you didn't visit. That's much the same as visiting Peru in S. America and making a statement about that entire continent!
What a generalization you are making!
Originally posted by pisces77
FOLKS, please understand that STUFF is not what is going to, or will ever, make you consistently happy. Instant gratification, maybe. but true happiness? NO. So gas prices, the housing market, food costs, all of this is forcing us to get our priorities straight. This needs to happen. We are way too materialistic and really truly delusional in thinking that more money & stuff is actually what this life is about.
Originally posted by NadaCambia
Government and elite, those are what most refer to as TPTB. That's who I'm refering to as TPTB. It's a relative term. Those who control our nations and have those with the financial influence to do so outside of government, by influencing government or breaking laws at will.
TPTB are enemies of freedom because they act in their own interests, and not the interests of the common man.
The Civil rights movement was a reaction by the people of the land, to immoral and backwards views and laws being pushed by TPTB.
This is found throughout history. Lets look at America, why was America created? Because those living under the Empire were treated like rats and seventh-class citizens. Did TPTB support America? No, they waged war against the infidels who even dared to question their existence.
Ignorance is bliss.
I'm dissapointed that you ignored every request I made to provide evidence for your view.
Originally posted by NadaCambia
Did you leave your 5 star hotel?
Originally posted by B.Morrison
Originally posted by Skyfloating
Originally posted by B.Morrison
I wanted the whole game to change. I don't like the game. I don't want it.
-B.M
So here we are. I love the game. You don't. What next?
what's next?
what's next is that I say good bye & good luck as I bow out of this thread because I don't have time or energy to waste debating with someone who so far has only replied with childish one liners that deflected from the points I initially raised about the topic.
Peace be with you,
-B.M
Originally posted by Reflection
I agree, no problems are solved by constant rants. Problems are solved when we understand what the root of the problem is and take action to solve it. However, when there is so much profit to be made from problems, it really slows our progress as a society.
I appreciate your optimism and you may be right that we, as in the whole world, are better off than we were in the past. I hope the arrow's pointing up. I hope that all of this struggle is a natural process of our evolution. However, I'm not going to gauge our progress by comparing to the past. I think that's a very inefficient gauge. We need to set goals and gauge progress on whether or not we are meeting those goals.
Take the car for instance. Why in the world are we still driving cars?? We've been driving cars for over a hundred years. 50 years ago we put man on the moon and 10 years ago we put a high tech robot on Mars. But yet, we are still driving cars that constantly need servicing. It's really ridiculous when you think about it. Our transportation system should have moved beyond cars a LONG time ago. We really don't have a transportation goal in place. Our only goal is profit, not problem solving.
Hopefully when 2012 DOESN'T happen, we will stop relying on prophecy and God to solve our problems for us and we will put the responsibility on ourselves.
Originally posted by sinohptik
Why dont we figure out how to continue to make things better for the one perspective, or start making things better for the other perspective. both have their validity, period.
if one is actually trying to accomplish something with this thread beyond the typical bickering, i fail to see it. I have been posting several times with the same "what now?" question.
Perhaps i have misunderstood the intent here. I will say this thread has clearly shown the issue of bickering between the dualistic sides leading to absolutely nothing being done. Over ten pages now of "im right!"..."no, im right!" The car could be going towards a cliff, but its occupants will be more concerned with arguing whether the road up to that point was beautiful or ugly.
Originally posted by spy66
reply to post by Skyfloating
You should read up on:
1. Exponential growth. en.wikipedia.org...
2. Capitalism.
3. Net Energy. en.wikipedia.org...
4. 1972, the Club of Rome "The Limits To Growth". www.greatchange.org... en.wikipedia.org...
I bet you will see things very differently after. Living in denial is the first sign of despair. After that comes anger than depression.