Eight SAS men in undercover mission are seized in Libya

It’s interesting on this tread how everyone is avoiding the real subject, 9 or our guys have been captured by an unpredictable force in a country with one foot over the starting line for civil war. This is not a false flag and the SAS are not so invincible that they would allow them self’s to be captured to facilitate some sinister ulterior motive.

The first thing worth noting is that it is no surprise Special Forces are on the ground in Libya and it’s not just going to be the SAS, you can be dammed sure that other European, African and American units are in the country. They are talking about a no fly zone, you need special forces on the ground before a no fly zone can be implemented gathering intelligence. This SAS unit it would seem was genuinely escorting a diplomat (let’s face it, probably MI6) to negotiate with the rebels, get a idea of their strength, supplies, command structure and so on. The SAS might even have been sent there to help with training, after all they did train some of Gadaffi’s forces.

The real question is what’s going to happen next and what the motive of the rebels is, could it be that they have became so desperate that they are going to attempt to blackmail the British government into a military intervention against the Libyan government. Are they hopping to turn the SAS to fight for them, are they just angered at foreign intervention, did they assume there were Gaddafi’s spies. The list goes on and on.

Then there is the other obvious question, this is the feared SAS, why didn’t the fight there way out. Really it is a stupid question, you want British solders shooting at the “friendly” rebels, starting a fire fight in a foreign state. Then you would effectively have 9 guys stuck between the rebels and the government trapped out in the desert. They were also probably told by those higher up the command chain not to fire on Rebel forces, could you imagine the international fallout if the SAS had killed 20 rebel forces.

Now the real issue is getting these guys out. According to the BBC a source within the Libyan rebellion has said that this situation will be resolved very quickly, suggesting that there is already negotiations underway to have these men released. Assuming this is not accurate and the rebels intend on holding the solders for a prolonged period of time the problems for the British are going to multiply as is the pressure on the government. The big risk is that they do hold the troops in Benghazi and the Libyan government forces regain control of Benghazi with the SAS and the “Diplomat” still held captive. With the current international pressure being put down upon the heads of the Libyan government having 9 British government personnel to torture for information and use for propaganda would be invaluable. Therefore the objective of the British should be to get these guys out before Benghazi falls back into Government forces. Assuming that the rebels do not release the men (something I think is unlikely) then the British government will have to use force to get them back. This would mean a raid by British forces to rescue the British men and this itself would have a disastrous effect on relations with any future government and could draw the British government into another conflict in the Middle East.

Another new pace of information coming from the BBC as I write, it is being claimed that 6 British special forces men got of a helicopter last night were they met two other men. After this they went to meet rebel’s leaders where they were searched for weapons. The Rebels found an assortment of weapons, ammunition, explosives and passports for 4 different nationalities. They are also reporting that this situation should be resolved soon.

Originally posted by kevinunknown
This SAS unit it would seem was genuinely escorting a diplomat (let’s face it, probably MI6) to negotiate with the rebels, get a idea of their strength, supplies, command structure and so on. The SAS might even have been sent there to help with training, after all they did train some of Gadaffi’s forces.

And especially with a relationship like that to Gadaffi, the rebels may not feel as they can trust Western militaries during their revolt. I know I wouldn't, because the people truly commanding our militaries often have no concern for freedom or humanity or anything like that, only money and power. The information the UK is trying to gather here may be considered very sensitive to the rebels, and this their way of firmly saying they are not interested in shared, cooperative efforts at this point. Again I would not blame them. We can always send military aid without having to know all their intelligence.

This is one of those situations where it would be best NOT to know where the rebels are until they are victorious.

Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by kevinunknown
This SAS unit it would seem was genuinely escorting a diplomat (let’s face it, probably MI6) to negotiate with the rebels, get a idea of their strength, supplies, command structure and so on. The SAS might even have been sent there to help with training, after all they did train some of Gadaffi’s forces.

And especially with a relationship like that to Gadaffi, the rebels may not feel as they can trust Western militaries during their revolt.

I don't see why not, considering that most of those who were trained by them have now defected, including the ex-Libyan SF head and ex-interior minister who was in charge of the training. They had no relationship whatsoever with Gaddafi, the whole arrangement was extremely controversial but any who had met them by the time that they had finished would have been left with the impression that these particular Brits are good people to have on your side.

Indeed it has been reported numerous times that they are already assisting the rebels and have a good rapport with General Obaidi. They were arrested because they were strange men who had landed in a helicopter, met with other strange men and were found to be armed when they claimed that they weren’t. The Libyans wouldn’t have known for certain who they were or why they were there, the only definite thing being that they were foreigners and could cause a lot of trouble if they fancied it.

Seeing as foreign mercenaries have been tearing up the place for a while now, they would have been mad to just let them go. As I said before, they aren't in any trouble and they will almost certainly be released in the next couple of days, if not today.

Opposition leaders might now claim in public that they are unified in not wanting Western involvement, despite many of them saying the exact opposite not long ago, but that can easily be dismissed as political manoeuvring. They don’t want to gift Gaddafi with a propaganda coup and some of the rebels aren't keen on Western assistance and they want their side to look and be as strong and united as possible. Western politicians aren't the only people on this planet who understand how propaganda works and lie when it is in their interests.

Originally posted by LoverBoy
They'll be fine. Deliberately? Lmao oh yes of course let's become captives to gain european support. We don't need your support or any Europeans support to engage in missions.

Then you're saying the military is a fascist dictatorship and doesn't anwser to the will of its own people?

You do need our support. Try going to war and see how many millions travel to london the next day and tear the city apart.

on Al Jazeera TV has just been annonced the SAS have been released now.

Now theye can get back to taking out colonel gaddafi

Yes.Negotiations took place on HMS Cumberland and the SAS members are now onboard and ship has departed.

www.bbc.co.uk...

They want to throw dictor boy out and put one there own in power and to start the reolution in sadiau aribia that's the key there after, the only way they can get to the big oil resrves was to lite a brush fireif the sadiau's were real they would start a democracy with the king as representive of state.Or give titles of to the people who have earned it with shares of profits that form the basis of a coperative with the king as advisers, spread some weath and put pictures up of common people that do outstanding community work

Is it only me who is looking beyond the BS being served to you by the media. The word rebels is being used and used and used. Are there really any rebels? we wouldn't actually know if there was or not. The media is all owned and controlled and is used as a mouth piece to manipulate peoples minds. Ask yourselves the question: Is there really mass opposition to the regime?? How would we know?? because we have been told by our media! lol I can go out on the street and find many people who have voiced and acted on their opinions sometimes Violently in this country about our dictatorship sorry democracy ( I forgot we have the choice of dictators in our regime). I have also watched footage of our police using excessive force. My point being these so called SAS individuals or others from Mossad for instance (there track record is well documented lol) could have actually been waging terror on Libyan nationals who would in turn retaliate and our media turn round and say it's opposition to the regime. Its funny how you never see the people who fire the bullets or the gas cannisters.

People need to stop believing what they are told. The country holds vast amounts of oil and lets be honest to the people who pull the strings a few thousand lives lost in the name of democracy is worth the profit generated by selling arms and procuring new oil.

Well seemingly they have been released. So lets hope they do not do this agin.

A British diplomatic team, including six soldiers believed to be SAS, have been freed two days after being detained in eastern Libya.

The men are understood to have left Benghazi bound for Malta on board the Royal Navy frigate HMS Cumberland.

It is thought the special forces soldiers were with a diplomat who was making contact with opposition leaders

Thin we in the UK should take note, from this to keep our noses out of it.

BBC News

Originally posted by Laurauk
Thin we in the UK should take note, from this to keep our noses out of it.

It's no win with you, isn't it? If the UK did nothing and allowed Gaddafi to slaughter his people, you'd be at the front of the queue demanding that something be done.

We do something and try to make contact with the pro-democracy rebels and now it's "we should keep our noses out"...

Honestly, I'll be all for keeping out of it if bloody bleeding hearts didn't bitch and whine about us not getting involved in stuff like this. People moaned when we did nothing in Rwanda, so we did something in Bosnia and people moaned then. Saddam was killing Kurds and Shia's, people moaned so we impose a no-fly zone, then peiople moan we are infringing on another nations Soveignty.

Damned if we do and damned if we don't.

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No I would not be at the frontof the queue, as you have stated,I have stated against any invovlement of UK Forces in Lybia what so ever,it is not our war, We are in enough conflicts,we do not need anymore.

I have learned from other conflicts we the UK have stuck our noses in to know, it is a no win situation. If you want your family togo to another country and maybe be killed. The all be it on go. I will not support a Government who is only helping those rebels in Lybia for one reason.

Tell everyone the truth what it is about?

Oil, Profit. That is what it is about,nothing to do with supporting those people in Lybia.

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Our military is there to safeguard our national interest, which includes making sure we have secure access to natural resources we need. Since when was the military a social club? And for the record, I have many family members who have either served or are serving. I would myself but failed the medical due to an old Rugby injury and I would happily go to Libya and fight for the rebels. I wish more thought the same, like back in the Spanish Civil War when volunteers went to fight the facists, we need more men and women like that today.

That said, it isn't just about Oil. Was Kosovo about Oil? Was Bosnia about Oil? Was Sierra Leone about Oil? The UK has a track record for sticking up for people being oppressed and if we can secure some nice oil fields in the process, well, consider that the icing on the cake but it isn't the cake itself.

You sound like a stuck record sometimes though, "It's about the OIl! Oh, it's about the Oil, woe is me...". It isn't just about the Oil, but it would be naive to think that wasn't a factor.

Consider if we imported a huge amount of food from a country that went to the crapper. We would most likely do something about that too and rightly so.

Like I said, our military is to look after our interests and like it or not, Oil is an interest of ours as without it, we wouldn't be too far behind Libya...

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To protect our national interest, omg that is completely hilarious, and what is that National Interest exactly, yes Stu it is OIL. Oh we cant have that cut off now can we.

Again Profit, Greed,plays at the fore front of the UK wanting to get involved in another conflict.

Those British Oil companies,must be rubbing thier hands,knowing the money they can make out of lybia, there ironey for you,disgusting to say the least.

Thats just cheating Laura. You completely edited your post so it now is totally different to the one I replied too.

That's not cricket...

Originally posted by Laurauk
To protect our national interest, omg that is completely hilarious, and what is that National Interest exactly, yes Stu it is OIL.

Yep, I think you'll find that is exactly what I said. Our national interest in this particular area is the Oil.

Originally posted by Laurauk
Oh we cant have that cut off now can we.

No! No we bloody well cannot! Have yopu seen what this has done to fuel prices already? Do you know the impact having oil supplies shut off would have on everything? Don't be so bloody naive.

Originally posted by Laurauk
Again Profit, Greed,plays at the fore front of the UK wanting to get involved in another conflict.

National security, Laura. Without that oil, with all the greed and profit that goes with it, you can kiss goodbye to full supermarkets that you get your food from, goodbye to the electricity used to power your home conveniences, everything, Laura. You may not like it and I may not like it, but when push comes to shove, we need that black stuff otherwise we're boned.

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Thisis another part which,I think is funny, the UK helps those who is opressed you say? Look at the people in the UK whom are opressed. Maybe the UK should look within its own country borders before it goes around actling like, the country has a high morale standing in the world. Nowadays the UK certainly does not.

Originally posted by Laurauk
Thisis another part which,I think is funny, the UK helps those who is opressed you say? Look at the people in the UK whom are opressed. Maybe the UK should look within its own country borders before it goes around actling like, the country has a high morale standing in the world. Nowadays the UK certainly does not.

I'm going to quote you from now on, seeing as you like to edit so freely...

Opressed? Who is oppressed in the UK, Laura? I think I know exactly what you alluding too, but go on....

reply to post by NadaCambia


I think my words were clear enough for you in the previous post. Incase you couldn't get it this time, here it is. We don't need your support to engage in any missions. Why don't I go to war? I have been to war twice and guess what? Nothing changed. March to london or D.C, your protests haven't done a thing before. Keep driving your cars, eating your McDonalds, and and smoking the peace pipe.

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And you call me naive, and with your snidey little comments "its all me". LoL, im just stating it as it is. It is not all me as you put it, but a large majority of people in the UK, whom think the same. Or whom can see why the uk is getting invovled. And who is sick an tired of thier loved ones being sent to conflicts which has nothing to do with uk as a whole.

Tell you what until you can have a civil debate,without the snidey comments. Do no bother reply to my comments. End of discussion.....

Originally posted by Laurauk
And you call me naive, and with your snidey little comments "its all me". LoL, im just stating it as it is. It is not all me as you put it, but a large majority of people in the UK, whom think the same.

Is it really a majority though? I think you'll find plenty of people who would support intervention in Libya to stop a madman killing his own people. I recognise that there is an "Oil" factor here which distorts the debate. I wish we had some consistency and intervened in ALL mad dictators, wether they had oil or not, such as Mugaabe.

Originally posted by Laurauk
Or whom can see why the uk is getting invovled.

Because the UK has invested billions which we could lose and given our economic troubles, surely it is prudent to do something? Or maybe we should intervene to stop innocent people being killed, is that not worth it? When exactly is intervention "good" and when is it "bad"? Would you rather we didn't help anyone out?

Originally posted by Laurauk
And who is sick an tired of thier loved ones being sent to conflicts which has nothing to do with uk as a whole.

Wer have a volunteer army, no one is forced to go anywhere. People join the military knowing this is what they were signing up to do. And it has a hell of alot to do with the UK as it happens, if you don't like being called naive, stop acting like it.

Originally posted by Laurauk
Tell you what until you can have a civil debate,without the snidey comments. Do no bother reply to my comments. End of discussion.....

Maybe you could have a cool head on a see this for what it is and in a real world context, instead of assuming the tired old "oil" argument is the sole reason. I have agreed it is a factor, but so is stopping people being slaughtered.

I'm sorry if you think I was being "snidey", but you have to be a realist and realise that these things do affect us and have an impact. Have you seen the price of oil jump? That hurts us all and a stable supply of Oil from a stable country is very much our national interest,

The rebels have asked for assistance from the international community and we have responded. It isn't as if we've made up a bunch of hokey excuses like with Iraq.

For the record, I was against Iraq but had the whole thing been honest and said "we want Saddam out", instead of "they have WMD", I would have supported that too. I just don't like being lied too. It is a worthwhile reason, in my opinion and also one that is held by a significant amount of people within the forces. I know people who have gone to Afghanistan and they believe they did a worthwhile job. No oil there either.

Also, care to elaborate on the whole "oppressed in the UK" thing?