Egyptians Order Pizza for Wisconsin Protesters

Originally posted by Tallone
The protestors are workers who represent themselves, not some vague sinister communist directive. There is a lot of disinformation on this thread by posters who wish to set up a strawman argument to shoot down the protests. Here are some important points to keep in mind when you look at what is taking place in Wisconsin.

The teachers are on strike. Still. A large number of the student body have joined them. The WEAC has requested the protest wind down.The protestors are not supported by the unions at this stage. Any posturing of support by unions is to maintain the facade they are there to represent the workers. They are not. The union hierarchy is there as part of the mechanism keeping the worker dissent controlled, and facilitating the demands of the management. Unions have already agreed to management demands.

Now for those who are posting something along the lines of this; 'America is suffering hard times, Wisconsin badly managed its resources, now everyone must accept severe belt tightening I have this point to make'.

It was not ordinary Americans like those workers in Wisconsin who are to blame for financial sink hole America has become. It is the bankers, politicians, and elites who own the corporations and industry that demanded the policies and legislative acts that culminatively resulted in this disaster. Not just those groups in America either. The people need to be looked after. That is what federal government and local governments are elected to do. It isn't a case of the ends must justify the means either. The ends envisaged as theirs alone by those who bought this disaster upon the people of America is simply not the ends to be suffered by ordinary working Americans. There is a giant chasm between the wealth of the elites and the average American. That wealth needs to be reallocated for the good of the country amongst all. That is what the protests by the workers is about. Justice.

You are so naive or a good disinfo agent.

reply to post by Little_Kona


It's thinking like this that continues to prevent peace. Accept this for what it is, a bunch of people identified with another bunch of people and sent them support. It may only be 1% of the population who are behind the pizza but it's 1% that wasn't there before. As the benefits of peaceful coexistence become more and more obvious i honestly believe the world will stabalise.

But we must accept the possibility before it can become reality.

Originally posted by agentblue
reply to post by SirMike

 

THE TEACHERS DON"T MAKE $100,000 YEARLY!!!!!! Geez people STOP PARROTING OTHER PEOPLE'S PHIONY QUOTES!!!!!! get some real info and hard facts before you post ....Crap. Besides if they make more they pay more taxes, duh

Benefits like health insurance are part of that actually. Perhaps you are not aware of this part of the economic pie. Maybe you need more facts. How about economics 101

Great post,

As a person who believes in the inalienable rights of individuals, I say, we should feed all those who would fight against tyranny and injustice.

This is a great post, great idea.

reply to post by jjkenobi


both you and your response are ridiculous....
The right to bargain collectively is crucial to our survival as a functioning democracy....

reply to post by jibeho


This is nothing but lies...
lies.

Ok I did some checking, took less than 5 minutes. The title from Politico is misleading, it says Egyptians, as if plural. Well, it was an Egyptian who ordered the pizza. One! lol and ppl are making it out to be like lots of Egyptians. But the blackboard for Ian's Pizza shows orders coming in from other countries like Denmark.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
reply to post by Little_Kona

 

It's thinking like this that continues to prevent peace. Accept this for what it is, a bunch of people identified with another bunch of people and sent them support. It may only be 1% of the population who are behind the pizza but it's 1% that wasn't there before. As the benefits of peaceful coexistence become more and more obvious i honestly believe the world will stabalise.

But we must accept the possibility before it can become reality.

Hi

i have no argument with you...

I agree with you,,,

But a bunch of people who ordered the pizza???,,,

I see no sighn of american flags(made in china) being waved around there...

probly get shot,,,you know it!

Im all for world peace,,,everyone is,,,,
Sooner the better we dont need the oil.....

Thats not wrong thinking me on my opinion cutting aid and lets pull out.

Its common scense...to me..

A lot of people here know what their their region is about thru common scense as of the last couple years.

A stoning of a women you ignore because its in a village on the outskirts,,or the protestors who were put to death,,,
But the Pizza was such a peace sighn of unity.....????

Are you on LDS???

This will take a few years to seven see where it goes,,,,

And no again,,Im not racist at all,,Im saying we got to pull out,,,,and quit the aid,,,,
humanitarien is good,,,,

I do not want to shut down a few schools here and bull doze a park because so and so needs a new dam in their contry!!!!

The best peace is lets stay away from each other....

as a co-existance,,russia is run my the mob and so corrupt,,,,china is a tiger on the hunt,,,,the mid east muslims and the oil,,,,,and the US is to blame saga...

As my thinking???

I have aright to be concened!

Just as my enemies,,,,

Its to late to grab the guitar and sing a peace song.....even your enimies will tell you that now...

My reply should make you happy,,,pull out and quit sending 100's of millions of aid to these countries....

Set them free....

And nothing wrong in my thinking ,"" I pray for the day we dont need a drop of their oil,"",,,

I know theirs coruption in all goverments,,,,,
but this is my opinion,,,,

China has a sucure pipleline,,,,thanks to the US deals on behind closed doors,,,,

No offense buddy poster relyer,,,,

I sure dont know what to do...

I support the good people and this may take 10-30 years to see any results????,,,we are beyond the point of lets give peace a chance,,,

and no,,,i am not resonsible for my thinking on this.....

Kona

Originally posted by ThichHeaded
reply to post by nocents

 

You dont get the point of this post.. we are not talking about politicians in this post.. we are talking about people of other nations, faiths, issues. coming together and helping the people.

Ask I said.. Shows We The People of this planet, not us vs them like we are led to believe... I dont care about the politics behind it, I think its awesome.

It was just one Egyptian, and the Politico article made it plural. Who's distorting things and for what reason?

Originally posted by whaaa

Originally posted by beezzer


I didn't start this thread. I'm just bringing some common sense to it.

How? with baiting and trolling unnecessary sarcastic comments like this?

posted by beezzer
Personaly, I think it's quite silly.
Egypt protested over a Mubarak regime.
Teachers protested because they have to pay for their own health insurance.

Oh the horror, the horror.

(shakes head in disgust!)

also you know good and well it's not about "health insurance" It's about the right to collective bargaining .

edit on 21-2-2011 by whaaa because: (no reason given)

Look, the real truth is that Unions have been the tool of communists to subvert the Free market economy and Capitalism in general. Communists hated the "bourgeoisie" since the movement started. It's just that most Americans, and perhaps many in other countries, simply don't know the communist origins of Unions. Most likely most of the teachers protesting dont' even know the communist origins, just like many Democrats don't know the history of their own Progressive party and how the Progressives of the Wilson era supported fascistic ideas.

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posted on 22-2-2011 @ 08:21 PM this post
In regards to the financial crisis: If sacrifice must be made, and indeed it needs to be, let it start with the leaders who have led us down this path. Let those who call out for the people to reduce and accept their standard of living to do so first. Cut your pay and standard of living and health and retirement benefits in half until this country is profitable. Tax across the board in a PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION.... IN RELATIONSHIP TO INCOME. I.E. 15 % FLAT TAX ON 40,000.00 YR.INCOME. FOR EVERYTHING PURCHASED .........SO IF I MAKE 40,000.00 A YEAR AND BUY 100.00 IN GAS TO FILL MY TANK I PAY AN ADDITIONAL 60.00 TAX BASED ON MY INCOME. NOW, IF SOMEONE MAKES 80,000.00 A YEAR AND BUYS THAT SAME 100.00 THEY PAY 120.00 ADDITIONAL IN TAX FOR THAT SAME TANK OF GAS. SIMPLE. PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION. BASED ON INCOME=PR=1.618.....OTHERWISE KNOW AS THE GOLDEN RULE........LETS SEE HOW MUCH CAKE THERE IS TO GO AROUND.......LEAD BY EXAMPLE FROM THE TOP DOWN...NOT THE BOTTOM UP.......LET THERE BE TRUE LEADERSHIP AND SACRIFICE ...........STARTING WITH OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS............ARE YOU WITH ME HERE?...........


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Ok i'm having trouble with reading your posts as the formatting is horrendous so i'll just deal with the part i read.

Obviously i am fully aware of the stoning of women and other horrible things that go on in the region, and i hope one day these things will stop, but the way to stop them is not to be negative like yourself. The way to stop it is focus on the positives (like this pizza being a symbol of shared values) and work from there. My point is that this would have been unheard of only 5 years ago.

From here as they develop a hopefully more peaceful and democratic society they will further enter the global trade system, as time goes by they will see the advantage of appeasing their trading partners, the women will slowly develop more rights and eventually will break through into an equality movement. This will all take a great deal of time, just like it did in western society.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Look, the real truth is that Unions have been the tool of communists to subvert the Free market economy and Capitalism in general. Communists hated the "bourgeoisie" since the movement started. It's just that most Americans, and perhaps many in other countries, simply don't know the communist origins of Unions. Most likely most of the teachers protesting dont' even know the communist origins, just like many Democrats don't know the history of their own Progressive party and how the Progressives of the Wilson era supported fascistic ideas.

bourgeoisie
1. the middle classes
2. (in Marxist thought) the ruling class of the two basic classes of capitalist society, consisting of capitalists, manufacturers, bankers, and other employers. The bourgeoisie owns the most important of the means of production, through which it exploits the working class

So unions have their origins in communism and are against the ruling class. What is wrong with this?

I am personally against "classes" period. Does that make me fit a label that can make me an enemy?

I do not believe in ownership of personal property. It is silly to think that on a planet of finite resources inhabited by humans who all have the same needs for their survival, anyone can claim ownership of these resources and think that someone won't have to eventually act violently for their own survival to obtain those resources.

If you cannot see that capitalism breeds perpetual violence against man by forcing him to compete to survive, then you do not understand the system of competition and iniquity that IS capitalism. A dog eat dog world breeds junk yard dogs.

Communism is not better when it evolves into socialism whereby the State, a non-existent entity, claims ownership of resources, nor facism where corporations, another fictitious entity claims ownership. In its purest form of no ownership and man helping man, it is the next and best stage in Man's evolution.

Not that this has anything to do with the thread at hand.

Unity, that is the topic.

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by IAMIAM


Well, that is NEVER going to happen (never has either)

People are competitive by nature - and I DO believe in personal property.

Originally posted by MidnightTide
Well, that is NEVER going to happen (never has either)

People are competitive by nature - and I DO believe in personal property.

People are not competitive by nature. It is a learned behavior. Observe young children who come from stable households, no abuse, playing and you will see that they naturally cooperate together in their play. Children have to be taught to compete.

The same goes for isolated tribes where modern society has had little influence. Those tribes have managed to survive by cooperating.

You believe in personal property because your property has become your sense of being. No worries, keep your property. Look around you though. It is your attachment to your property that leads to the exploitation of others around the world. The plastics all come from the oil people are fighting and dying for. The cheap chinese slave labor manufactures those goods. Capitalism has found that cheap labor and placed your own country men out of work and in a position of suffering.

Keep your property.

You won't take it with you when you leave this world.

With Love,

Your Brother

P.S. As far as it never happening, watch. The world has never known the power of love, but is about to.

Originally posted by IAMIAM

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Look, the real truth is that Unions have been the tool of communists to subvert the Free market economy and Capitalism in general. Communists hated the "bourgeoisie" since the movement started. It's just that most Americans, and perhaps many in other countries, simply don't know the communist origins of Unions. Most likely most of the teachers protesting dont' even know the communist origins, just like many Democrats don't know the history of their own Progressive party and how the Progressives of the Wilson era supported fascistic ideas.

bourgeoisie
1. the middle classes
2. (in Marxist thought) the ruling class of the two basic classes of capitalist society, consisting of capitalists, manufacturers, bankers, and other employers. The bourgeoisie owns the most important of the means of production, through which it exploits the working class

So unions have their origins in communism and are against the ruling class. What is wrong with this?

I am personally against "classes" period. Does that make me fit a label that can make me an enemy?

I do not believe in ownership of personal property. It is silly to think that on a planet of finite resources inhabited by humans who all have the same needs for their survival, anyone can claim ownership of these resources and think that someone won't have to eventually act violently for their own survival to obtain those resources.

If you cannot see that capitalism breeds perpetual violence against man by forcing him to compete to survive, then you do not understand the system of competition and iniquity that IS capitalism. A dog eat dog world breeds junk yard dogs.

Communism is not better when it evolves into socialism whereby the State, a non-existent entity, claims ownership of resources, nor facism where corporations, another fictitious entity claims ownership. In its purest form of no ownership and man helping man, it is the next and best stage in Man's evolution.

Not that this has anything to do with the thread at hand.

Unity, that is the topic.

With Love,

Your Brother

No disrespect intended but we need to get a handle on what we are talking about here. The evolution of stages in progression IN THEORY is from feudalism to capitalism to socialism to communism and I have no idea what would come next. To jump from capitalism to communism ends up in a totalitarianism. Unless the whole world did it at a single moment which isn't all that likely, you end up with Cuba, if you are lucky. Cambodia under Pol Pot if you're not at all lucky. Every communist state to date has been a totalitarian mess. It has to be international, and unfortunately that means gradual evolution /revolution.

It has begun. It began early in the last century as Capitalism began to collapse. The disinformation campaign brainwashing the people also really kicked into gear then.

The global financial system since 2008 has collapsed. Since the entire world is now fully part of the capitalist system there is now no room to develop new large markets. The world is a finite pie. Now every slice has been bought and eaten. The pie has to be remade and redivided. That means a world war. So yes socialism is preferable, and doesn't entail giving up private ownership, unless you happen to own a corporation, bank or enterprise of that nature. It doesn't mean business stops being done. And it doesn't mean peasant farming for the minions. What it does mean is pure democracy. Something capitalism can never provide. As the masses in the Middle East as well as in America are realizing.

Originally posted by Tallone
the whole world did it at a single moment

This is what I am talking about. Have you seen the Plan at the bottom of my posts?

It is a hint at what's to come.

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


sorry on that,,,,smile,,,

Your right,,,

It will take time,,,maybe many many years,,40-50 years..

I just get the feeling extremist clerics will eventually take controll,,,its doesnt take even a majority of them either,,,

I know its their country and if thats what happens,,then its their will I guess..

sorry on being so crazy off beat a little on my writting,,,smile...

Kona

Are you kidding me? The news of the Wisconsin protests has been all over television; newspapers; on-line news. I can't believe you have not heard anything.... They have been fighting over city budget and union problems.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by whaaa

Originally posted by beezzer

Look, the real truth is that Unions have been the tool of communists to subvert the Free market economy and Capitalism in general. Communists hated the "bourgeoisie" since the movement started. It's just that most Americans, and perhaps many in other countries, simply don't know the communist origins of Unions. Most likely most of the teachers protesting dont' even know the communist origins, just like many Democrats don't know the history of their own Progressive party and how the Progressives of the Wilson era supported fascistic ideas.

It's 2011 now and not 1950, you can crawl from under your desk at school, the "Commies and Red China are coming" drill is over.

To show you how poisoned you are, what is a Union? It's people coming together to voice opinions and complaints. Are you saying you're against this? How come one of the first things dictators do is bust up Unions? I'll answer it for you...it's because they don't want people coming together and voicing their opinions or standing up for themselves.

People with your displayed mentality are who keep the evil and suffering in this world. Separation leads to division, confusion and eventually conflict. Yet here you are advocating for separation.