WARNING: The Jihad is progressing & you havnt noticed.

Originally posted by 27jd


Al Queda doesn't like "the brotherhood". Al Zawahiri is on the record criticizing them as being against Islam, because they condemn violence against civilians, and participate in democracy. If they were to take power, which again is a big stretch, that's Egypt's business.

edit on 3-2-2011 by 27jd because: (no reason given)

So you believe what Zawahiri says?? You believe what Al Queda say??
They are not going to come out & state their support for them & say we are one, we are united & they are our political branch working for our cause in disguise. Would you tell your enemy you were intending on robbing him 6 months in advance?
You have heard about their plans to infiltrate governments and lands, you have heard about their plans about waging "Holy War" when the time is right?? Well this is one stepping stone, its not my fault the media arnt telling it how it is & how it will be before its too late. I fear only then will you believe it.

Originally posted by 27jd
The muslim brotherhood has little influence over the uprising in Egypt. Also, the muslim brotherhood condemns violence against civilians (including US, Israeli, etc.), and they have stated that all the people in Egypt, regardless of their religion, stand shoulder to shoulder against their dictator. They spoke of unity, and have stated they have no ties whatsoever to terrorist groups. I'm no fan of any organized religion, but from what I've seen from them, they seem to be somewhat reasonable and non-violent. Don't be so quick to believe Hannity or Beck, they're strictly entertainers.

You paint such a pretty little picture. So much love & understanding. I feel you man, I really do. But unfortunatly there is a reality to this world

I particulary love this part

They spoke of unity, and have stated they have no ties whatsoever to terrorist groups

Picture it: When he finished speaking he turned to his armed guard & said, " Do you think they bought it" then they wondered off in the distance attempting to contain the laughter

Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
reply to post by mayabong

 

Glenn Beck is ignorant of Jihad.

Glenn Beck is ignorant of a lot of things.

To him and many others all of this is the machinations of the communist, anarchists, socialists, and other contemporary movements. The Coming Insurrection!

Contemporary? What are we in the late 1800s? Communism is dead. Anarchism has more to do with Hot Topic and High School Pot Smokers (or when protesting, cops dressed in black bandannas smashing bank windows) and Socialism is ...well, my verdict isn't quite in on that one yet.

Glenn, like so many others, has swallowed the prime deception of Mohammed: that God and Allah are the same.

They are the same...and Quetzalcoatl...and Jesus...and YHWH...and Buddha...and Krishna...and the Elephant head guy (no disrespect) from the Sikhs...and the Emperor of Japan...and the Universe itself...go ask someone what they think, you may not get a suitable answer to your narrative.

Islam is a deception. It has visited untold death and suffering upon the nations it has consumed.

Time means nothing. Attitude is everything. Christianity is a deception. (Jesus with all that lovey-dovey turn the other cheek business.) It has visited untold death and suffering upon the nations it has consumed. (From Alaska to Tierra del Fuego, Island hoping across the Pacific, over running a whole continent full of Aborigines and eventually making it's way to the Dark Continent, where the people's skin are the blackest because the fell the furthest out of heaven!).

It is consuming Egypt right now, on live television and, yet, amazingly, the Jihad is denied.

I'm pretty sure Egypt has been largely Muslim since...well, Spain was invaded in 711, so at least since a year before then since I'm pretty sure they didn't invade Spain by airplane.

Egypt is NOT historically a muslim nation.

The US is NOT historically a christian nation...by your rationale.

Originally posted by DarthPhobos
You paint such a pretty little picture. So much love & understanding. I feel you man, I really do. But unfortunatly there is a reality to this world

And you paint such a scary little picture. I can see it now, the muslim hordes traveling across the ocean on amphibious camels to put a jihad on you. You xenophobic, redneck types always pretend to be so tough, yet are the biggest chicken littles out there. Doesn't take much to scare the pants off of you. Wake up, man. Any terrorist attack that occurs on this continent is permitted to happen, to stir up support for some corporate agenda to make boatloads of cash for a few elitist scumbags. They want us out of their land, and rightfully so. If they truly invaded ours, we would fight them, yet you're faulting them for doing the same?

reply to post by Colton


Make me benevolent dictator for life and I promise to make everyone poor so they can be equal. I'll take the unfortunate burden of being rich so the poor can unite as one people in their suffering.

Why do you think people from those countries want to immigrate to the West? Freedom includes the freedom to pursue material gain if that's what makes you happy. Would you like a government that decides you shouldn't own what you do and confiscate your possessions lest you become too wealthy?

reply to post by 547000


As long as no one else was superwealthy...

In all seriousness, being prosperous is one thing. Amassing wealth beyond compare is quite another. For all excess wealth each person has, there is another person suffering directly or indirectly so that first person could be just a little bit wealthier. Such is capitalism.

I would like to take this thread on to another direction and ask what is next. But first I want to call out those that believe this is just all going to end peacefully & has no major bearing in the Islamic world. Your Ignorance has been officially denied. .

What’s going on in probably the most important nation that shares borders with Israel & the Gaza strip is not some peaceful transformation & if you can’t see that, then it will be you that asks why nothing was done sooner.
I want to address why the head puppet Obama is seemingly willing & to let this occur. Mubarak initially said he would stay until September but after a little pressure applied by the so called leader of the free world, he has since been heard & thought to be ready to leave any day. So why are the puppet masters behind the scenes insisting that Mubarak must leave. I want to hear opinions and thoughts of what the agenda is. All of us here know that these things are planned with the intentions of knowing what will come about. Obama has taken to the stage & acted his role with a very heartless demeanour by reading clear statements then retreating before any questions can be asked. What is the agenda? What is their vision for Egypt, possibly the most important country strategically in the Arab world? A country that has a land bridge that links North Africa to the middle-east sharing borders with the two most important lands in the region, Israel & Gaza. Make no mistake Egypt is in very real danger of fallen by the wayside & into the hands of the extremists, these events are without doubt the most important in recent years & what happens here will decide what kind of a world we could end up with. I see a few reasons as to why TPTB are happy to hang Mubarak out to dry, but why are they prepared to risk Egypt fallen into the hands of the Extremists? Don’t be fooled, TPTB know what they are doing, they have their own agenda & they see this going a certain way, but which way?
Here’s what i can initially come up with:

1) They are taking the risk in the hope that Egypt will fall into the hands of another western friendly government. It’s a risky move. But why take that risk? I say hope, but do they already have the friendlies positioned and know it will be fine. I don’t like this option because as I've proclaimed, the brotherhood are not friendlies & they are positioning themselves ready to take control.

2) They are prepared for it to become an Islamic state & see profit in leaving Israel in real danger & will leave their foes out to dry & easy target for the Jihadists that move in over time. Which will end in serious war & destruction all over the place. In which case, I question your government, TPTB may have already been infiltrated & want this new Islamic world to roll in to town.

3) And my personal favourite. They know what is about to be bestowed upon Egypt, they know Egypt has potential to become a very real & very dangerous front line, but in TPTB’s own dirty little agenda they are happy to let the extremists get a sniff of success whilst letting a little bit of time pass before sending the Americans in to take over Egypt, enabling them to conquer yet another piece of the Middle-Eastern Jigsaw, tying up borders with their staunch allies Israel & making new headway in their takeover of the middle-east.

I ask, because no-one has yet discussed the agenda at play here. No-one has yet confronted the real risk that Obama is taking by turning his back on a once reliable ally. Are they really behind all of this to enable number 3, for their own greed & agenda. Yes money will be made, more fear will be instilled in people but the war machine moves on & conquers yet more land. Oh its a crazy world & its unfolding in front of our eye’s. There’s a game going on & just what direction their dirty little games goes in will affect us all in the end.
When Kissinger comes out & gives his support to Obama, alarm bells must surely start ringing in your ears, but are you listening?

reply to post by Sphota


That's the cost of having freedom to pursue wealth. There are neither guarantees nor any obligation society has to you to give you free stuff. With freedom of speech, there are people who are racist, so should we ban people from speaking their mind?

reply to post by DarthPhobos


This is 3 level chess at its best...A combination of outcome based Psyops and a willing media.

This dance has started and will continue to play to script. If Mubarek doesnt step down, he'll be removed or taken out. The extremist groups will be patsies, as they will be blamed for anything that doesnt go according to plan.
The endgame is to get all the arab and muslim nations to align themselves against the west. Once this happens,the complete fury of the western militaries will be unleashed. Its going to be a bad day, but it wont take long.
There are a few nukes laying around the middle east.....One will go off by accident ? The party starts....

When you see leaders in the arab giving up power this fast ...theres something in the wind....

reply to post by DarthPhobos

I would like to take this thread on to another direction and ask what is next. But first I want to call out those that believe this is just all going to end peacefully & has no major bearing in the Islamic world.

They seem to be specifically enabling a new Islamic Caliphate - and this goes hand in hand with Obama courting the islamic world and acting out his role as a Mahdi type figure.

They have systematically flooded every European nation with hostile unasimmilable muslim immigrants.

They have resurected financed and armed Israel to the teeth with nuclear weapons - whilst at the same time making sure she is the focus of the entire regions undying hatred!

They have set up Iran as nuclear power ruled by crazy apocalyptic 12'ver nutjobs - with proxies armed with enough missiles to overwhelm Israeli defences.

They have bought the world and particularly the US to the brink of financial Armageddon - one slight nudge, and it all goes down!

It is pretty obvious what the plan is!

reply to post by DarthPhobos


I agree with you and disagree with you.

I agree with you that ATS basically spends too much time looking for the next 9/11 false flag, NWO evidence, Disclosure and so on while ignoring everything else that is much more important in the world. I have got used to it, ATS is not interested in the truth on the whole but rather the spectacular works of fiction often posted on the boards.

I disagree with your interpretation of this revaluation as being an Islamic revolution. The Muslim Brotherhood are a threat, it is possible they could win a democratic election, but that’s democracy for you, sometimes the guy you don’t like gets into power. That being said however they have been about for some 80 years and have yet to make substantial gains in obtaining power, on the other hand however this could be their time as under the current regime they have not had much of a change. Also during these riots, there has been very little Islamic rhetoric from the protesters, no burning of American and Israeli flags, no ranting imams and so on. The people are not calling for an Islamic state, they are calling for a democratic state founded on natural rights. The problem may come if Mubarrack is forced to leave office before a peaceful transition of power has taken place and as a result a power vacuum is left behind which the Muslim Brotherhood exploit to take power or the Generals in the military are successful in a coup. So although I think it is possible that the Muslim Brotherhood might gain power in Egypt I do not think it is inevitable and too early to judge it for definite.

Egypt is on a knifes edge at the moment. If (and it's a big if) the muslim brotherhood was to take power and implement sharia law, Egyptians can wave goodbye to exports and wave goodbye to their tourism cash cow. That will translate into it's people being even worse off than they are now. You want something to revolt against. Well that's it! I'd prefer to believe that Egyptians are too smart to let that happen.

If the west were to overtly install another puppet, you may see the likes of islamic insurgence like we see in Iraq and Afghanistan... and again, you can wave goodbye to the tourism cash cow.

Either way, this isn't looking good for the poor Egyptians.

IRM

Why usa want US to be involved in world disorder, i am asking?
We, modern people of the world, with our struggles are tired by that.

Msg for all underage bull#ters: go and investigate most dangerous mafia: ONZ instead.

As conscious European i disagree with CONTROLLED tries of making this world slave for some ridiculous morons.
ATS, wake up, this forum is involved, that's clear.
Msg to author: how you dare play with our feelings and thoughts - better tell me why prices of fuel are rising WITHOUT reason. Why i am told to blame Egyptians?
Because USA told us so?
Please.

Again - for all people OUTSIDE of USA - beware of that forum and it's controlled users, you may easily miss who's who here.
Places like this are last resort for helping US interests, actually, now, when they been able to make general world crisis and still have no IDEA what's next(it DID not been enough).

My mother after 32 years of work is not able to maintain her house, and they are telling us, that it is crisis matter, because USA told us so.
She lives c.a. 20000 km's from us border.
Now i am told, here, that i should beware of Jihad? Blame Egyptians?
www.youtube.com...
is all i can say to forum users from USA .
I won't hate Muslims.

btw, "polish concentration camps" were not POLISH as CNN is telling you, US citizens, day by day, in my country is illegal to say SO.
again:
www.youtube.com...

Concluding: do not be surprised, that whole world is tending to hate you, USA.
You can not sell whole countries for your interests and still be tolerated.
I won't fight Muslims for your misaccusations.

I strongly recommend to make list of users involved in disinformation and agenturism on ATS.
Enough is enough, i am reading this forum for 5 years and it is clear for me wtf is going on NOW here.

The young people seem to be protesting against autocratic rule. Why would they turn to another form of autocratic rule. The people want democracy and freedom, not Islamic Law.

I guess what the people want and what the people get is another matter. Lets just hope we get what the people want.

Israel is armed to the teeth
The majority of the Muslim world hates them

With no members of Israels fan club bordering them, the next move is inevitable. These radicals wont need much prodding if they just happen by the means and the opportunity. It will be a regional conflict and Israel probably wont resemble the place they look like today. The entire region is up for grabs.

Their own arrogance will be their undoing....I really hope I'm mistaken...

The niavety of those underestimating the ability of hardline Islamicism to sieze this country (and the entire region) is ASTOUNDING! - and really a tribute to the propagandising powerof TPTB!

Politics make strange bedfellows...

Would the US trade Israel for complete domination of the middle east ?
Using a seemingly isolated Israel to sucker in all her enemies ?

This would present the opportunity for the US to obliterate all those who even looked like they were involved.
To view the skirmishes in Iraq and Afghanistan as the extent of the US capabilities would be a major mistake.
The US is still the biggest dog on the porch..... who hasn't hardly shown her teeth since WWII.

LET THE SLEEPING DOGS LIE......THAT DOG WILL BITE YOU

Originally posted by Prokopio
"Jihad" or "Holy War" or whatever else you might call it, I guess its time now for US and Israel to mind their own business and stop meddling in the affairs of other countries. If the Egyptians think that its time for their leader to say goodbye well then its their decision and not for US or for Israel or any other country for that matter to decide.

Unless they are being tricked. Would you say the same then?

Do you really think a regime with the goal of Genocide regarding Israel and the Western World is none of the worlds business? I'd think only Jihadists and Terrorists themselves would agree with that. People who agree the entire Earth should be under Muslim rule and Sharia Law, because that is certainly their goal.

Hamas sprang from the group in Egypt and so did elements of Al Qaeda. The Charter of Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood call for Genocide and they do not hide that from anyone. To support them is the same as supporting their Charter and goals.

To sugest what happens that may cause massive death and suffering at the hands of madmen is in and of itself a bit insane.

It's one nutty world out here right now and just yesterday I found out members of Code Pink are now supporting Jihad. One need only see tapes of them in action to know they are nut magnets and dangerous.

reply to post by DarthPhobos

Cheer up....Its all speculation

Something this sinister could never happen.....Could It ?

GoingSouth

Originally posted by mayabong
The base of this revolution is grassroots and by the young people of egypt. Egypt is very westernized and most speak better english than I do. The revolution in Iran and this Revolution are totally different. That revolution had Kohmeni and this one has no leader.

this is all just Glenn Beck/ O'reilly fear mongering.

Retarded.

My name is neither Beck nor O'Reilly. To say there is no similarity is naive at best. Do you support the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas as well as their Charters and stated goals? If not, why don't you think they play a role when they clearly do? Iran is most certainly providing both with aid both financially and with weapons. The link is obvious, so obvious its hard to imagine anyone denying it with a straight face.

No doubt the Egyptian people are freindly to the West, but if they are tricked the same as the People of Iran were, that does not matter in this context. They will just go from a Dictator to a Theocracy which is even worse.

Did you have your green avatar up for Iran? Or did you support the Theocracy and the fake elections? Just curious?