reply to post by daggyz
I can't believe I missed this ridiculous post. How did I not already reply to this?
Originally posted by daggyz
That is absurd. You complain that there is a demand of belief (or else), you get upset at that and yet knowing it you do nothing out of outrage that
you have no chocie.
Really? Try declaring your atheism is a rural Texas town. See how your small business or employment does afterwards.
You do have a choice and the Bible clearly sets that out.
Except that the Bible is very hazy on the issue of whether or not you have a choice. Pharaoh didn't have any choice in the matter of setting the Jews
free. In fact, Yahweh made it so that he specifically would be unable to do so.
It also says some are not called. You would say thats unfair. I would say then seek him.
Bible says a lot of things. And yes, that would be unfair. Of course, I already tried seeking your deity, didn't find anything. Maybe he's hiding in
the couch cushions, I didn't check there.
You would say I don't believe in God. I would then say then what are you upset about.
We're upset at the believers who discriminate against us and mistrust us.
Do you see the stupidity in that argument of someone who doesn't believe in God and yet complains about how unfiar it is for those who don't believe
to go to eternal separation from God in loneliness while those who did, live as free spirits forever (it's a spsirit thing not a human body thing).
You do realize that's not what we're complaining about. We're saying it's insane
, we're not acting like it's actually going to happen. We
think that this insanity also results in discriminatory practice against those who believe they're going to groove out with Jesus for eternity.
Thats my issue with Atheists who use your arguement. Now if your right and there is no God, we have lost nothing. But if your wrong, and you were
already told the situation, then you still have no right to complain if you find out it's not as you thought.
Wow, Pascal's wager, like I haven't heard that a million times before.
Counterpoint: What if you're wrong and fundamentalist Islam is actually correct? What if you're wrong and Sikhism is correct? What if you're wrong
and an ancient religion which has already died out was actually correct? What if you're wrong and should have worshiped Odin?
There are more than two possibilities.
The Bible is very clear, and you always have had free choice, and if you don't choose and your wrong, there is no one to blame but yourself.
The Bible is very vague, there is no clear scriptural basis for Arminianism (the position on salvation which you are taking) over Universalism or
The Christians job is to show there is a way out for those that are seeking and are chosen. Thats the command.
Wow, you're mixing Arminianism with Calvinism now.
The job of the Atheist is to shut up and get on with their life because a real Atheist would not be the least bit concerned with people believing in a
God because God doesn't exist right?
Except for the fact that certain religious beliefs demonstrably corrosive to society. The other thing is that religious individuals are trying to set
up society so that their religion is what is fundamentally necessary for membership in the society.
I believe it shows insecurity in atheists that try to prove otherwise because it makes no sense unless they were trying to make converts to their way
if thinking. If your trying to bring people around to another way of thought......
.... and if you can't work where I'm going on that one, there is no hope for you to prve your not in your own religion with your own beliefs.
We're not trying to bring people around to another way of thought. We don't go door to door with it, do we? We're just trying to show people that
atheism is a perfectly acceptable position. That atheists aren't out trying to rape your pets and eat your children (and yes, I've actually heard
such claims leveled against atheists, I used to live in Missouri).
And again, religion is hurting people. Even some of the most seemingly benign religious practices are horrific when you take a step back.
Circumcision? That's removing functional nerve tissue that is actually beneficial to genital health for the sake of a deity that has a thing for
foreskins. It's horrific genital mutilation and it's being forced upon infants.