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Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by Arsenis
sometimes repetition is the best way to not ignore this points.
I dunno. Some "hard heads" on here - - that just can not and will not accept that some lack belief in a deity.
How many times must it be repeated?
Originally posted by defenestrator
reply to post by Student X
If someone were to posit that the word "God" refers to an extra-terrestrial intelligence or being, as opposed to an omnipotent all-encompassing creator who used human beings as surrogates to write a book, then yes, I would accept that as a potentially valid hypothesis.
Originally posted by bogomil
Quote: ["I'm one who does believe the "gods" of ancient time were off planet beings. In my opinion "god" - the omnipotent one of religion - is a man-made phenomenon."]
On this specific subject, you and I are of one mind.
Though I would like to include hyper-dimensional beings as an option also. I'm somewhat a fan of J. Vallée (name-spelling?).
Originally posted by something wicked
reply to post by madnessinmysoul
Oh dear, where do I start? Randomly I guess.
Quantify is relavent, I was quantifying, you were attempting to qualify. Quantify is to measure - I said atheism is a binary decision - believe in a deity or don't believe in a deity. You listed several degrees of atheism. We were both quantifying the level of atheism.
You said "you do not believe in things you do not know of".... I do not know the population of Sierra Leone - does that mean I do not believe Sierra Leone has a population?
Of course it doesn't, it means I don't know it. I guess you've got some leftover atheist t shirts you feel the need to give away, but please stick to logic.
(BTW, please don't go on Wikipedia to tell me the population, if I wanted to know I'd look myself.)
What if, understandably, as a baby I am not aware of what Sierra Leone is - does that mean I disbelieve in it?
No, it means I have no concept of what it is and so have no opinion worth discussing.
I think we will have to disagree on this, I know my opinion is correct as much as you know yours is, that's why opinions are so worthwhile. Your opinion is wrong though
You have no idea of the general religious population of ATS for one reason - it's entirely possible that people who log into ATS do not do so to discuss religion.
ATS is a broad church dealing with many different things, religion is one of them. Perhaps when people are saying that George Bush is a shape changing reptile from Pleides they neglect to mention they are also, well I don't know, let's pick something at random.... an atheist. If the highest number of users of ATS is based in America I'll concede that as of 2011 most have some level of Christian faith then so be it.
You said 'not everything Jesus said was right', kind of means you accept a character called Jesus said things, some of which you agree with, some you don't - how can you possibly interpret your words differently?
Just so we both understand my words - if you are unaware of a deity, you don't have an opinion on said deity. That means one thing... you don't have an opinion.
You stated it's my opinion that - and I quote "if there is any doubt over belief then you are not an atheist" is just an opinion. Seeing as the dictionary definition of atheism is disbelief in God, then how can you then claim that is just my opinion but I haven't bothered with a basic reason? It's very black and white - disbelief = atheist. Not sure = not atheist.
Argument to authority? You're suggesting a dictionary that exists to define words is questionable?
The term arguement to authority (also known as appeal to authority) is most often used when claims by a person who's credentials are claimed to suggest a deeper knowledge in the area are used. A good example is 'astronaut says aliens exist". I hope you aren't suggesting using a dictionary definition falls into this space? If so, that's a little sad. A quote from a philosopher would though be an argument to authority as they are stating an opinion.
An atheist group is still laughable I'm afraid.
Not believing in God is not currently a movement, it's a personal opinion.
Why are such people distrusted? Do they stand outside places of worship shouting 'I don't believe in your God'? If so, they are never going to win friends. Please tell me what they do to warrant this distrust in the eyes of those who distrust them.