reply to post by Itisnowagain
It must be the same as learning something new.At first it all looks so confusing,then comes the Eureka moment! when it all makes sense,but only
after some blood sweat and tears.Does the effort pay off.
Whatever the meaning of the human condition is, its my bet that its so simple,that we have missed it.I went back to anecdotes of tribal people..for
instance the Innuit...Theirs a pregnant woman in one igloo..and an old man in another..he says to the pregnant woman. "When i die can i have the body
of your baby?" She says "yes" knowing the mans a good hunter before he got old.The Old man says "Thats good if i had to wait too long the winds
would blow me to far away" He then wanders out into the frozen waste.When the baby is born they call it the same name as the old man.
We are not our bodies,the body has all the defintion of machine.ie.(That which increases effort).allbeit Bio Mechanical.But it does seem to
mirror our "Astral" state. Insofar that marks of a previous existance tend to manifest ,with regards to birth marks,where these marks were the cause
of the previous incarnations demise. I know that i'm dealing with facts..leading to a deduction..but i'd rather do this than accept a statement
based on faith.To have an operational reality it does have to be based on " reasonableness".....Then is it reasonable to say..that cells scraped
from a humans mouth...show the same signs of stimulous in a test tube as those cells still in the mouth of the donor a mile appart.This is factual but
unresonable to some...So whatever the "Astral" is, three of the dimensions dont worry it. But its obviously in synch with time,for this effect to
happen.Therefore the dream state bodies we have and interact with might be created illusions needed for an interactive reality.
In woo woo Witchy Land,one of the main ingredients of casting a spell..was to have a body part of the unfortunate reciepient..be it finger nails
or hair...which is "Information" and it would be reasonable to deduce ..part of their astral condition as well. This seems to be Universal in all
the shamanistic cultures. It dosn't take much logic to work out the rest. Insofar the Shaman usually goes into a " trance"..Which i guess we might
read of as some consiousness state between waking reality..and sleeping reality where he can comunicate with the astral side of the body part...and
then formulates unfortunate thoughts and images upon the body part which may or may not be repeated in the unfortunates body during the period of the
psychic attack. Of course if you knew what was happening, no doubt their were ways to stop the attack quite easily...but Shamanistic societies are
very jealous of letting knowledge get to far abroad. At least this gives a glimpse at what might be reality,suggesting the Astral state might indeed
be smeared all over..or rather "Conciousness"..might be smeared all over ..and we might have to create the illusion of compactness in these worlds
and the others to have a hope in hell of having a dialogue with the "Whatever"..Phew!