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I Believe I Have Supporting Evidence That We Aren't Real

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posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 12:17 PM
Even if we are a hologram, that does not mean we are not real, it is merely insight into the nature of our reality. We are conscious entities regardless of the nature of our composition. Consciousness ... self awareness; that is the mystery.

posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 12:21 PM

Originally posted by Seitler
I've thought very deeply about the subject "What Constitutes Reality?" and came to realize we may very well have two separate forms of existence at one time.

Our obvious is during our waking hours. That part is pretty self explanatory. The second is our dreaming thoughts and actions. I believe that we enter a form of existence where we are truly just energy (or maybe not energy exactly, but just "thoughts" for lack of a better term). I think in that form we are our true selves, and in that state we are communicating with the "center of all thought". I won't use the term God, because I don't believe along those lines, but something very akin to that concept.

I think this is how some people are able to predict future events; they know because they have already seen from the source of knowledge. Some people are even able to feel things such as the death of a loved one before anyone tells them about it.

What had initially made me think about this kind of things was an experience I had a few years back. I had just watched the movie The Matrix, and was trying to bend the spoon... it didn't work
, but I didn't think it really would. About a week latter I was laying in my bed, and suddenly felt like I was being bent by something, then felt very light. I looked up, and the ceiling in my room looked like it was being sucked into a very small point... but the edges were holding to the edge of the room, stretched kind of. I thought I might have been having some physical problem, like low iron or blood sugar, so I got up and got a glass of juice and felt fine... at which point I knew I was not dreaming. When I went back into my bedroom, my ceiling was still stretched out!

I don't get scared about oddities, so I stood on a chair to feel the ceiling... then it suddenly snapped back like I wasn't suppose to have seen it stretched out. Like I had glimpsed a mistake in our world. I didn't think much of it at the time, and thought maybe i had simply been hallucinating. Looking back on it, I think I really may have seen a glimpse into this weird black-hole projection that you are talking about.

Felt like I had to let you know about this. I tried to recreate the situation a few times, but have never once seen anything like that again. I wish I could will it to happen... but that just does not happen, sadly.

Is this "center of all thought" that you speak of similar to the collective unconscious studied by Jung? Sounds an awful lot like it to me. I find myself agreeing with your post.

posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 12:25 PM
reply to post by Mizzijr

So if you're not real and I'm not real, than this post certainly wouldn't be real and I'm not really responding to any thread cause it's not real???

posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 12:30 PM

Originally posted by mamelukkikala
I don't think it matters at all whether we are "real" or not. We can feel, that's all that matters. We're real to ourselves. Even if this theory would be true, it wouldn't make us any less real than we are now. It just means we'd be in a different world.

Are you for real? If this were true it would change the entire world in more ways than you could ever imagine!


posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 12:43 PM
I'd post a reply to this thread, but I can't - I'm not real.

posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 12:55 PM
Hi. sorry if this is a little bit of topic, but there is something about the dimensional thingy that i cant get my head around. Its all based on the third dimension and from there it assumes that there is a second dimension.
And based on the second the fourth, fifth, and higher planes of existance emerges.

now where i get stuck is in flatland, to me it seems impossible that it can exist a second dimension that is based on only lenght and width, because everything nomatter how tiny, even down to the tinyest particle has three dimensions,
lenght width and height.

to me that makes flatland impossible.

sorry if i disturbed the peace in this thread, i just need a little help to get an understanding of this.


posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 02:07 PM
reply to post by jisujaaljo

I don't dimensions like that. I see channels. like in a TV set or dvd player in this hologram, infinite space-time and density channels. My posts a page or so back near the bottom with links, have a lot of food for thought.

posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 02:50 PM
reply to post by Unity_99

hello Unity99.

your way of thinking about dimensions makes some sense i a way, and i will go through the links in your previous post to explore it further.
Because the 2D and 3D is to me just "distance" for i believe that whitout height it is impossible to exist.
tnx for your reply.

posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 04:34 PM
reply to post by Mizzijr

Black holes will gather eveything in in the end...or mabey they already have?

posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 08:25 PM
I just can't get over the idea of a reflection of anything allowing us to feel.. to feel an earth quake miles away or not see an asteroid hit the earth and still feel the impact

posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 08:26 PM
And If we are holograms, what might that make a ghost... A hologram of a hologram?

posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 08:43 PM
reply to post by gmacousins

Ghosts aren't holograms. In any case, our physical bodies are a part of the condensed energy wave, matter suits we wear. Our souls, the drivers of the vehicle are not the same, they're Light, Consciousness. This hologram, as all holograms are, is technology. This is a created school, with infinite dvd runs, by our Family of Light. Infinity has hallmarks, no locality, no measurement possible, no time, but also, no singularity. There cannot be one. If you place a dot on the paper and say that is the Universe, even if it was infinite, outer or inwardly, you are still depicting something that has a definition, boundaries, if sentient would concieve of self. that would mean, you can draw a box around it and ask, what is beyond those borders? There would need to be infinite universes, consciousness, whatever you are depicting, like never ending fractals, or you have created a Limit, and hence you have a finite system.

No limits, no One, infinite One-1's in Infinite time clips, where there is no time, existing all at once, like this:

Fractal Mathematical Rabbit Hole

The only problem here is, you have a limit if you are looking at the one fractal, for there cannot be one, there are Infinite Fractals, never ending.

There is no measurement that is possible in Infinity. Anywhere you would are to start measuring, and try to say, you're half way through infinity, there is still an infinity in all directions around you. You can't put a dot down and measure it. The infinity in a star and a grain of sand are both the same equal endlessness. Both could grow unto infinity in size, like consciousness, or shrink unto infinity but they cannot disappear.

Everything in infinity is infinite. There are never ending repeats, you are being born at this moment and taking your first baby step, you have passed on, you have passed the tests either this life or another and have graduated beyond and you are now your Higher Self, etc etc etc.

All that was and will be is occurring now, in no time, forever.

Energy, mc2, is not the same as consciousness/soul/light.
edit on 26-1-2011 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)

posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 08:51 PM
reply to post by Mizzijr

Ok but...

How can that theory explain the 5 senses?
or even emotions and Consciousness.

Unless I'm missing something.

posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 09:47 PM
reply to post by AboveTheTrees

Its true all particles are fleeting..but they are also information..The Information is the key because information is never lost it just changes. Each state of matter is reduceable and replicatable. We may indeed be information smeared on the event horizon of a Black hole.That might sound fantastic....but its no more fantastic than being cooked inside a womans stomach for nine months and then removed from umbilical life support.Then having to survive for the length of time that you have,and then disolving back into the Biosphere.

posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 10:13 PM
reply to post by Mizzijr

Firs of all a star and a flag for your thread and your imagination. Like I've said before, deeper imagination is key to deeper thought and therefore deeper understanding.

Also I would like to say that...........Our bodies are a physical manifestation of a multidimensional consciousness, which are all separate yet connected threw quantum entanglement. This thought came to me one day out of the blue and I knew there was something I was trying to tell my self. But, although I came up with the thought my self, I knew that I didn't quite yet fully understand the implications of that thought. Its like when you leave the house and you get that feeling that you forgot something but you have yet to put your finger on it.

This thought has lead me on a search for the underlying patterns of the fabric of reality. I think that coincidences are a sign of this pattern and that if we could examine several coincidences in our life and evaluate them with our fifth dimensional perception (pure consciousness/our higher self) we may discover the true reality of which we seek.

Also, something tells me that before this universe there was consciousness, conscious thought. It seems to me that everything is connected by something that we cannot perceive directly (quantum entanglement/consciousness).

All life holds within it a certain level of consciousness. A dog is conscious but not quite self aware in his existence such as a human. An ant is also conscious. Even algae is conscious tho its barely perceptible. I like to take it a step further and say that even inanimate matter is conscious, the rocks on the moon for example.

You might ask how is it possible for a rock to be conscious? The answer is quite simple. If you nudged a small rock does it not move?

If this is true and our universe is entirely connected threw this sub reality called "strings" (quantum entanglement/consciousness) then that leads to another question.

What is this consciousness? This consciousness that is taking so many physical forms? (the human, the dog, the ant)

I read a study a long time ago that has always made me wonder. Some doctors did a sleep study with 15 or so participators. They wanted to know what happened if they deprived their "patients" of their dream state.

The doctors allowed their "patients" to go to sleep after attaching electrodes to their head to monitor their brain waves and see when they enter into dream state or REM (Rapid Eye Movement). when the "patients" would enter into REM the doctors would wake them. After each night the doctors made sure that that their "patients" had gotten the full eight to nine hours required but with no REM sleep.

No patient could continue this longer than ten days. By ten days their patients were so delusional they didn't know why they were there or even who they were!

This study has always stayed with me over the years and I have recently a few years ago came to a conclusion.

We are consciousness first and body second. Our actual reality or our "home" is the subconscious plane. We need dream state because our consciousness needs rest from all these "laws". ie gravity, Physical boundaries and other laws of physics such as even time.

We experience these new laws in our new universe of which we were born into. I call these "limitations" because they do not exist in the same extreme way (if at all) in the subconscious plane of existence. This is why we (our consciousness/subconscious) needs this REM sleep.

So the question remains. What is consciousness? Well That I can explain but I think this post has gone on long enough.

I suggest you look here for the answer to that


posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 10:14 PM
Here is a question. What makes me any different than someone you might meet in a dream? Outside of the change in physics between this world and the dream world there is little difference.

posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 12:43 AM
reply to post by d00d557

Honestly I have never heard of either "collective unconscious" or Jung. If there are an similarities, it is all coincidence. I promise that much. I am guessing because I have not heard of either Jung or his theories, I am given credence to his thoughts.

I think I am going to have to do some research on this guy now. Thanks for the name
... I don't thank you for the few hours it is going to take me to go through his works though

posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 01:01 AM
*****************Intializing Quote Dump********************

Albert Einstein
“Reality is merely an illusion, although a very persistent one”

“Reality is that part of the imagination we all agree on”

Mohandas K. Gandhi
A man is but the product of his thoughts. What he thinks, he becomes.

Dom Helder Camara
When we are dreaming alone it is only a dream. When we are dreaming with others, it is the beginning of reality.

Morpheus *The Matrix*:
"What is "real"? How do you define "real"? If real is what you can feel, smell, taste and see, then 'real' is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain."

Morpheus *The Matrix*:
"Have you ever had a dream, Neo, that you were so sure was real? What if you were unable to wake from that dream, Neo? How would you know the difference between the dream world and the real world? "

*The Matrix*
Neo: I thought it wasn't real
Morpheus: Your mind makes it real

*****************Quote Dump Complete********************

posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 01:39 AM
In some ways, reality is what you think it is.

posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 02:53 AM
reply to post by schlub

I'd argue in every way. What we percieve to be reality is shaped by our preconceptions of what reality is. Any number of cognitive studies have shown that. Even down to the subconscious level where we aren't even aware it's affecting our perception. *IE it's been shown that contrary to existing "beliefs err whatever" information can be ignored to the point it never registers on the conscious level* Which is why I find the "I'm right and your're wrong." games on here so emmensely funny regardless of my personal opinion on the topic at hand..

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