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Originally posted by CIAGypsy
reply to post by JR MacBeth
:::slow clap:::
But we can't live our reality on "what ifs...." At some point, we have to have concrete proof of what we suspect, otherwise we are simply on a witch hunt by which the innocent are also sacrificed.
Finally, history has also proven that when the powerful become too corrupt, the common man revolts and balance is restored. Every powerful society - whether government or not - goes through such a cycle.
Originally posted by CIAGypsy
Originally posted by Skippy1138
Do some research on the film "Conspiracy Of Silence" or Project Monarch- you might be surprised....
With all due respect, I know all about Project Monarch. However, I believe that 99% of what is freely available on the internet about it is pure BS. I do believe it existed. I even believe they tested on children. However, I don't believe it is on-going to this day or that it is everything people claim about it. Why do I feel this way? Oh, maybe because I have spent the better part of 10 years doing research in neurology and biophysics. I know what the human brain is capable of and what it isn't. People often misconstrue the capabilities of the mind because it seems plausible to their untrained intellect and because it makes for good & exciting fiction.
I see a lot of pro-conspiracy people use references to PM as some sort of unilateral proof of a lot of things - assassins, illuminati, and now....prostituting children. What I don't see is irrefutable proof that these things are connected. Sure, I think there are some incidents that can be connect to PM, especially in the 50's and 60's. But I don't see anything that we can tie to it today or even in the last 2 decades.
Occam's razor, man...
A proposal prohibiting defense contractor involvement in human trafficking for forced prostitution and labor was drafted by the Pentagon last summer, but five defense lobbying groups oppose key provisions and a final policy still appears to be months away, according to those involved and Defense Department records.
The lobbying groups opposing the plan say they're in favor of the idea in principle, but said they believe that implementing key portions of it overseas is unrealistic. They represent thousands of firms, including some of the industry's biggest names, such as DynCorp International and Halliburton subsidiary KBR, both of which have been linked to trafficking-related concerns.
Originally posted by Skippy1138
You seem to be saying that because you know people in government, and that none of them you've met are pedophiles, that therefore there can't be any such thing.That would be like me saying "Well, I don't personally know any astronauts, therefore astronauts can't possibly exist...."
Originally posted by Skippy1138
And you brought up budgets and money: well, I really don't think they're going to have a line item at the budget meeting that says "$2000 expenditure for sex with Little Johnny"- it would be paid for out of they're own pocket....
Originally posted by CIAGypsy
[That's not to say that you can't have isolated pockets of criminals who happen to have government jobs (or work in law enforcement) operating their own little network.
I disagree with your assessment of Occam's razor. Perhaps I disagree because I have many acquaintances among the groups of people - corporate, political, and academic - whom you denigrate. I have been around these people for decades since I was a girl and have never ever ever seen anything remotely suspect about any of them outside of extramarital affairs, possibly doing coke and/or marijuana, and maybe a few who took bribes for contracts. But child trafficking and/or child rape??? Nope...never once. The only people I've seen or heard who do this **** is thugs. And yes, I know quite a bit about it. I used to work with a charity called Stepping Stones Nigeria. Children in Nigeria were being publicly executed as witches. Horrible tortures taking place. Once we dug into the reality of the situation, we learned that it was simply child traffickers who were praying upon the superstitions of the locals to separate the children from their families as outcasts. That way when the traffickers took them, there would be nobody who would come looking! Don't believe me? Look it up yourself.... And these traffickers were working through the protestant churches!
Originally posted by CIAGypsy
reply to post by JR MacBeth
response deleted because I posted too much personal information that I should not be sharing.
My apologies....edit on 23-1-2011 by CIAGypsy because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by CIAGypsy
reply to post by pianopraze
piano,
Nothing to be sorry for. I am not sorry for any part of my life. In fact, I am GLAD FOR IT. It has made me a survivor of the rarest type.
Furthermore, your post is cleverly worded in such a way that any response I could give would be meaningless. I cannot accept because it would not be the truth (and I do NOT say this from a position of denial or ignorance)....and if I deny, then you will only say that I am ignorant of what you perceive to be my reality.
So I am damned either way and it solves nothing in regards to this discussion.
The real tragedy is that you appear to have missed the most important point of the post....that being a unique but strong understanding of why and how these networks do not exist in the way you want to believe. One string of truth in a web of lies and misdirection.
Monarch Project
The horrendous Monarch Project "refers to young people in America
who were victims of mind control experiments run either by U.S.
government agencies such as the Central Intelligence Agency or
military intelligence agencies," writes DeCamp. "The story told by
Monarch victims--one of whom was Paul Bonacci--is that they were
tortured for the purpose of creating 'multiple personalities'
within them," DeCamp continues from his book. "These multiple
personalities could then be programmed--as spies, 'drug mules,'
prostitutes or assassins."
An article by Anton Chaitkin, quoted in the book, states that
"professionals probing the child victims of 'Monarch' say there are
clearly two responsible elements at work: the government/military,
and cooperating satanic (or more exactly pagan) cults. These are
multi-generation groups, whose parents donate their own
children--who are proudly called 'bloodline' or simply 'blood'
cultists--to be smashed with drugs and electric shock and shaped.
Other children are kidnapped and sold into this hell, or are
brought in gradually through day care situations.
"Paul Bonacci and other child victims have given evidence in great
depth on the central role of Lt. Col. Michael Aquino in this
depravity," continues Chaitkin. "Aquino, alleged to have recently
retired from an active military role, was long the leader of an
Army psychological warfare section which drew on his 'expertise'
and personal practices in brainwashing, Satanism, Nazism,
homosexual pedophilia and murder." DeCamp's victory in court and
the million dollar judgement is a vindication of mind control
survivors Paul Bonacci, Alisha Owens and others who were falsely
imprisoned to keep them from testifying against their abusers.
I know that Michael Aquino has been in
Iowa. I know that Michael Aquino has been to Offutt Air Force Base
[described by numerous victims as a center of mind control-ritual
abuse]. I know that he had contact with many of these children."