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Originally posted by whaaa
Originally posted by CIAGypsy
Sure, I think there are some incidents that can be connect to PM, especially in the 50's and 60's. But I don't see anything that we can tie to it today or even in the last 2 decades.
Occam's razor, man...
The methods are much more high tech, sophisticated, secretive, and hidden in legitimate businesses, academic circles and think tanks. No obvious ties to the govt like in past years. It's a secret!
Occam's razor, man..
Originally posted by JR MacBeth
reply to post by CIAGypsy
I see these news stories all the time and they are usually run by common thugs, not the government.
I think the "shadow" government gets plenty of this action as they seem to need to "feed" their pedophile machine.
Couple things to Google, MKUltra of course, and mind-control sex-slave Cathy O'Brien's testimony concerning various presidents of the US, starting with arch-Michigan mobster Leslie Lynch King, Jr. (aka Pres. Gerald R. Ford), born in Omaha, Nebraska (center of US pedophile power).
O'Brien's horrific accounts of these beasts is often dismissed by many, as one might expect. Certainly the average person does not want to believe that such a dark world even exists, let alone learning that the people seemingly running the nation, are perhaps all pedophile "Satanists" of some kind.
Sometimes it's good to get some context before jumping to conclusions. In the case of Lynch King, Jr./ Pres. Ford, he was on the Warren Commission that whitewashed the JFK murder of course, and he was an unelected President chosen to pardon Mafia man Dick Nixon, etc. So yeah, he's not looking like much of a saint.
Some may recall that there were a couple of attempted assassinations on Ford's life, interestingly, by women. Perhaps unusual, but not surprising considering what a beast Ford apparently was. After following orders to fire Nelson Rockefeller, there was retaliation. September, 1975. Most may remember the Charles Manson connection, since Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme was the first MKUltra sex-slave chosen to terminate Lynch/Ford. But she failed. Same month, the reinforcements showed up in the person of Sara Jane Moore, who also tried to kill Ford. We can only imagine the dark hatred for this man that was so easily tapped into when the time came, since Lynch/Ford had been apparently so brutal. Perhaps not quite a brutal as Dick Cheney, who probably was the most violent of the gang (even more so than Bush, Sr., who was no slouch when it came to sexually brutalizing children).
Fortunately for Ford, he got the message, and certainly was not "elected" to be President, although we will probably never know the full price he had to pay to remain alive.
Back to modern sex-slaves in America. Well, I'm convinced they're here to stay. The people "really" running the country seem to genuinely enjoy this "traditional" facet of their organized crime operations, and perhaps in their twisted way of thinking, it really is a "softer, gentler way" (Bush, Sr.). Whether or not this particular kind of blackmailable crime was chosen, or something else, something needs to serve this "function" of ensuring that everyone on the "inside" is mutually blackmailable. Otherwise, you can't run an effective crime organization. Perhaps they could have been less "modern", choosing to rely on old-fashioned murder instead. Not that they exclude murder, but it isn't something I believe they do when the younger crowd is starting out, they mercifully save that for a bit "later", depending on the particular recruit in question.
I guess I could launch into Obama at this point, but this site seems to like him, and when I say anything "too wild" concerning the Protected One, the thread would probably get closed. So, I'll pass on that for now.
Great OP, S & F. As unpleasant as this subject is, I don't think we have a chance of ever stamping such a horror out if we dare not even talk about it.
JR
Originally posted by ripcontrol
I do believe it is going on today. I can offer you no evidence except that I do not know of to many people in power that do not resort to using every tool available
Originally posted by CIAGypsy
Originally posted by ripcontrol
I do believe it is going on today. I can offer you no evidence except that I do not know of to many people in power that do not resort to using every tool available
Fair enough, although I think that is a non-answer, personally speaking.
let me tell you why I don't believe it goes on today....
1. I deal with budgets. Massive enormous budgets -both in the corporate world and government money. Despite what you may think, money is tightly controlled and oversight is even more so. No dollar goes ANYWHERE without several people knowing about it and approving it. And even after payments are made, there is a literal ARMY of auditors who double checks every cent to validate it went where we said it was going to go.
2. secrecy doesn't exist. Do you realize the total amount of secrecy among multiple generations that would be required to carry off a project like this? You would have to hypnotize and program damn near everyone in the country. Can you imagine the COST alone to do this? And one look at the daily news shows you that secrecy just doesn't work. SOMEONE will always come forward, either for personal gain or as a whistleblower.
3. Biology. I've worked in research on neurology and biophysics for a decade. The human brain is not a computer, no matter what the pro-conspiracy people try to make you believe. It is flesh and blood and therefore fallible. The failure rate on hypnosis alone should tell you something if you look at it objectively. Yet you expect people to believe that armies of people are programmed so successfully that they have no free will and complacently comply with any order they are given without remembering a single solitary detail or loss of time? That is just statistically impossible.
Originally posted by CIAGypsy
reply to post by JR MacBeth
MacBeth,
If Cathy O'Brien was so truthful, why are all the perps she fingered (no pun intended) not rotting in jail right now? And don't think its because they are wealthy and powerful. The wealthy and powerful fall all the time....if only because another wealthy and powerful want to take over. Ever watched Dominick Dunne? The wealthy & powerful are not preempted from justice if enough evidence exists. Anyway, I digress.... Cathy gave very detailed information which could be her savior or her failure, depending on the truth.
"The many unanswered questions about the Finders case now have Democratic Rep. Charlie Rose of North Carolina, chairman of the House Administration Committee, and Florida's Rep. Tom Lewis, a Republican, more than a little exercised. "Could our own government have something to do with this Finders organization and turned their backs on these children? That's what all the evidence points to," says Lewis. "And there's a lot of evidence. I can tell you this: We've got a lot of people scrambling, and that wouldn't be happening if there was nothing here.".”