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Originally posted by svpwizard
reply to post by Kangaruex4Ewe
Still waiting on you to provide a case example ...... not some made up bunch of fake statistics on a news article for some agenda.
I can work wonders in Excel too, all depends on what you want to look bad!!
And as a side note ........ I lived, raised a family 3 children, supported 2 ex wife's (AMERICAN wife's), worked and paid taxes for 32 years in several states, and several hunkered people worked for me ...... what was I ??????
I WAS THERE ILLEGALLY, no i didn't make up some name, or steal anyone's ID ..... I used my birth name and own SS number from my country ....... its just 9 numbers the IRS doesn't give a crap just send money.
Never once collected ANY SOCIAL SERVICES, NO WELFARE, NO UNEMPLOYMENT ... I contributed to a system I was never able to take anything from.
Originally posted by svpwizard
reply to post by mtnshredder
Tried several times but it was extremely complicated , confusing and expensive ...... I was caught between a rock and a hard place, the possibility of having to leave to complete the paperwork was always a possibility and leaving your family without supporter wasn't an option to me, so I sacrificed my possibility of citizenship for there welfare.
People going on about illegals have no idea what they are talking about and I dare say are just ignorant hate and fear mongers ...... repeating a half truth someone told them or some BS they read.
Originally posted by svpwizard
reply to post by mtnshredder
Without a lot of detail suffice to say when I went to the states it was as a visitor and little paper work even a passport wasn't required!! after a few years and several changes as I was in country my situation became more complicated .... and once there it was to hard to start a process not easy for those already there.
anyway no hard feelings .... it is what it is. my kids are old enough and the distances not any farther than a few states away by plane .... they can visit me.
I say "most people" don't have a clue and are merely speaking out of there butt ...... makes them feel better beating others. I don't have the time of day for those who are so hard headed as to stop learning. there is no one way.
Immigration is not the problem never was ...... the government is.
Originally posted by Kangaruex4Ewe
You want to come here? Come legally. Do it the right way. Don't come through the back door expecting to recieve a free ride! It's not racial. It's fair.
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AMEN brother, I live in the HEART of the illeagal immigrant "head quarters" here in the Phoenix Area, and I am also 50% hispanic American, but I tell you what I am so sick and tired of people trying to oppose the law that we voted in here in Arizona, ecspecially those who don't know what it is like to not be able to find work because most of them will out work you for minimal wages, like the author of this thread said, there is a legal way of coming to America, do it that way all the ones that are here ILLEGALLY are Criminals and should be punished for their crimes, but the most harsheest of all sanctions should come down upon those citizen that profit from hiring the illegals!!!! That should carry the same penalties of treason, it is a act against the American people as a whole, and it is dealt with by a slap on the wrist...unbelieveable
TO ANYONE EMPLOYER WHO CONSCIOUSLY HIRES A NON US CITIZEN-
My grandfather and my Great Grand Father shead blood on foreign soils during war, their blood was spilt for me and my family to have a better life, not these illegal aliens to come here and prosper, by taking money out of my pocket, or food out of my families mouth
Originally posted by Cuervo
reply to post by ker2010
Um, I never said I wanted it both ways. I'm unashamed in my stance in believing "open borders". That's how this country started and it's served us pretty damned well. I don't even support it as a product of some empathetic portion of my psyche; I support it because it helps the US. I'm not the only person who understands this and I'm not crazy. If you take anecdotal made-up stories about neighbors and what-not away from the conversation and only leave facts (real facts, mind you. Not some commentary from Fox network) then what is left is a clear case for the need of more immigrants. I don't care where they are from. People from Mexico are better equipped (expected) to take our entry-level jobs that go unmanned otherwise but I wouldn't turn away immigrants from overseas, either.
Originally posted by svpwizard
reply to post by Kangaruex4Ewe
Still waiting on you to provide a case example ...... not some made up bunch of fake statistics on a news article for some agenda.
I can work wonders in Excel too, all depends on what you want to look bad!!
And as a side note ........ I lived, raised a family 3 children, supported 2 ex wife's (AMERICAN wife's), worked and paid taxes for 32 years in several states, and several hunkered people worked for me ...... what was I ??????
I WAS THERE ILLEGALLY, no i didn't make up some name, or steal anyone's ID ..... I used my birth name and own SS number from my country ....... its just 9 numbers the IRS doesn't give a crap just send money.
Never once collected ANY SOCIAL SERVICES, NO WELFARE, NO UNEMPLOYMENT ... I contributed to a system I was never able to take anything from.
Originally posted by macman
Originally posted by Cuervo
reply to post by ker2010
Um, I never said I wanted it both ways. I'm unashamed in my stance in believing "open borders". That's how this country started and it's served us pretty damned well. I don't even support it as a product of some empathetic portion of my psyche; I support it because it helps the US. I'm not the only person who understands this and I'm not crazy. If you take anecdotal made-up stories about neighbors and what-not away from the conversation and only leave facts (real facts, mind you. Not some commentary from Fox network) then what is left is a clear case for the need of more immigrants. I don't care where they are from. People from Mexico are better equipped (expected) to take our entry-level jobs that go unmanned otherwise but I wouldn't turn away immigrants from overseas, either.
Ah, so the last shoe drops.
Thanks for the insight.
I now know that arguing points, facts and laws with you is a moot point.
Obey the law.
If you want open borders, why not move to mexico?
Oh wait, Mexico has stricter laws and enforcement of border/immigration laws then the US.
I don't see any reason to interact with you on further discussions in regards to the US Border.