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Originally posted by svpwizard
reply to post by PeoriaAZ
Funny .....
You are so ignorant ... I never lied about anything as you see I openly stated my situation, here on this forum and to the US GOVERNMENT SEVERAL TIMES ...... the IRS didn't care, my employer didn't care ...... and the border crossing didn't care. and when I went home voluntarily ...... LOL THEN THEY CARED.
You are so quick to state what illegal actions you think I committed though you have no idea nor the knowledge to make such accusations other than sitting there on your mighty keyboard, you are a hypocrite and will have your Carma points come due.
Sure glad you never committed a crime .... Oh don't bother answering because it would only be a lie.
Originally posted by MrXYZ
Some people forget that some of those illegal immigrants turned into what some might consider American heros
I guess it's always easier to find a scape goat for your problems instead of having to look at your own issues...right?edit on 22-1-2011 by MrXYZ because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by ker2010
Cuervo,,,, maybereal11
Ahh more open border supporters. Dont deny it both of you support open borders.
The two things your type try to do in these threads:
1) Change a anti ILLEGAL immigrant thread into a anti immigrant thread,,, you always seem to leave out the key word ILLEGAL
2) Claim it's a race, xenophobia issue.
Originally posted by macman
reply to post by Honor93
You are just wrong. My grand parents were not anchor babies. They were children on LEGAL US CITIZENS.
Thanks
Children on illegals and/or foreign travelers to the US are granted citizenship, but are anchor babies.
Originally posted by maybereal11
Originally posted by Honor93
First, NO illegal pays 'income taxes' legally, period. EVER (and those are the taxes that support welfare programs ... not gas taxes or sales taxes or any other taxation)
yes, they pay tax on their beer, booze, smokes, party favors and vehicles ... other than that, they provide minimal benefit but exorbitant problems. They do not contribute to the tax base that SUPPORTS them. They do not contribute to the COMMUNITIES that support them.
Wrong.
www.palmbeachpost.com...
www.usatoday.com...
www.truth-out.org...
www.msnbc.msn.com...
*** undocumented = illegal (just in case there's any confusion) ***
But many undocumented workers have taxes taken out of their checks and an increasing number are filing tax returns, according to IRS statistics, local undocumented workers and immigrant advocates.
*** the problem here is illegal workers ***
Paycheck withholding collects much of the federal tax from illegal workers, just as it does for legal workers.
The Internal Revenue Service doesn't track a worker's immigration status, yet many illegal immigrants fearful of deportation won't risk the government attention that will come from filing a return even if they might qualify for a refund. Economist William Ford of Middle Tennessee State University says there are no firm figures on how many such taxpayers there are.
During their working life, undocumented immigrants in the United States will pay, on average, approximately $80,000 more in taxes per capita than they use in government services, owing to the fact that they are not eligible to take advantage of almost all of the social service programs offered by the federal government, according to a study released by the National Council of La Raza.
*** once again, the irs Received 7.9 million fraudulent filings. Wonder if the new 16,000 agents will be following up on those criminals?? ***
It legitimizes the presence of immigrants who are here illegally, critics say, and sends a mixed message about the country’s interest in enforcing its own rules.
“The word schizophrenic comes to mind,” said Marti Dinerstein, president of Immigration Matters, a research firm that advocates tighter immigration enforcement. “There is something fundamentally wrong about this.”
In 2004, the IRS got 7.9 million W-2s with names that didn’t match a Social Security Number. More than half were from California, Texas, Florida and Illinois, states with large immigrant populations, leading experts to believe they likely represent the wages of illegal immigrants.
pssssst -- once the boat is at port, the anchor is NOT deployed ... try again.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Across the Bering Straits...by foot...no anchor involved.
no figures available on illegals (source please) ...at least this statement is more legitimate than yours ... 1% of muslims are death dealing, infidel killing, determined folk but we shouldn't count or concern ourselves with that MILLION ppl either, right?
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Right? less than 5% of welfare families have a parent that was born outside the USA and of that 5% only a small fraction are illegal immigrants.
so, if this is your 'justification' for the current dilemmas we endure, i have to ask ... isn't repeating history and expecting a different result, insane?
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Nope just history repeating itself...
No one is calling names here ... laws have been broken.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
They are the least of our brothers and we ask them to come here and work insane jobs for insanely low pay and then look down our noses and call them criminals.
... oh that day couldn't come soon enough. i'm about sick of all the finger pointing going around. Mirrors for all !!
(from same post above) One day we will run out of people to blame for our problems
that info only comes from run-aways. orphans have orphanages, wards are placed and illegals deported. also, a parent or guardian IS necessary for a minor to exercise any, if not all, of their citizen rights.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Having a legal parent or guardian is not a necessity of citizenship, nor is age as any orphan will tell you.
Originally posted by maybereal11
My solution?
To do my part to hold the tides of demagoguery that grip this nation when there is financial stress.
The need to blame the "least of our brothers".
from what i see (not told), illegal immigration is one of the main external forces debilitating our internal sanctity.
We have much more pressing issues than Illegal Immigration, despite what you are told.
i'd be willing to test this Theory.
They come here and work, because Americans are unwilling to do those jobs...and believe it or not if we were to evict them all tomorrow...our economy would be devasted.
nonsensical rhetoric that doesn't apply to the conditions of today
This demagoguery...blame is nothing new to this country...we did it to the Germans..The Irish...The Catholics.
we are not afraid, we and ancestors before us, followed our laws, and so shall you.
My answer...stop fear mongering...stop being afraid...bring us " your tired, your poor...Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free"...which is exactly how 99% of our ancestors got here, that or we were kicked out of other nations.
i beg to differ on your opinion of 'misfits' ... perhaps the "least of thy brethren" ??
The lesson to the world as a whole is...the USA...a collection of different ethnicities, cultures, people that were either kicked out of...or couldn't succeed in other nations...that misfit crew banded together to create the most succesful nation the planet has seen....and we thrive BECAUSE of our differences...not in spite of them.
yep, that would be nice ... all this post and i thought that was your point.
My solution?
i won't agree with the 'OURS' part cause i'm a firm believer the children belong to their parents.
If they are born here...they are OURS...they are Americans
first, i don't see any need for alllll those hands in the cookie jar.
...and if we want to deport the parents...then that is legal as well and we can go home to home with Immigration Officials, Department of Health and Human Services Officials, Child welfare representitives and figure out a plan to both protect the Citizen children and deport the "Illegal" Immigrant parents....but IMO we have better things to focus on then non-threats and these folks are here working as a result of strong demand in the agricultural sector doing jobs Americans won't do.
as stated previously and especially in this economy, i am more than willing to test this theory.
We can deport them all...and watch US farms struggle and fail, our Produce prices rise dramatically as we import produce from Mexico and other countries...our manufacturing sector will take a big hit and what we have left in the states in manufacturing will be undercut by cheaper labor abroad and we will send money abroad that we could have kept in the states etc
and why not??? a crime is a crime. i've been on both sides of both fences, what don't i know about either? I've been a victim of rape 3 times and a victim of the physical abuse of illegals, twice ... so, why can't i compare the 2 crimes?? is one more of a crime than the other ????
Originally posted by ledzeppelin489
You cannot seriously be comparing illegal immigration to rape. If you really think, ethically, it's one in the same, then you're sick, and this really isn't helping your character.
Immigrants are welcome in America, always have been and still are. (legally)
Immigrants are going to come to America, regardless, so there's no way of stopping the flood of people, ever. What the United States has to understand is that the influx will not cease, or subside. The only solution is to change our current laws and allow the flow of immigrants to enter the U.S. legally.
nice attempt at deflection but we're not discussing the economy of then or now.
Well it's interesting that even when immigration was not so "public" as you claim, America was thriving in terms of employment. The nation's workforce increased 6-fold during the 20th century, but then we started outsourcing jobs, and our economy began to dwindle.
well of course you have no answer for the reality of the situation.
Hmmm, well this I can't seem to answer. The only thing I could say is, there needs to be constructed, a better set of laws dealing with the immigration issue, because, like I said, it's not going away. So we need a way to help American citizens, and immigrants coming from, wherever it is they're coming from, feel satisfied with the situation
Originally posted by Honor93
i'd be willing to test this Theory.
They come here and work, because Americans are unwilling to do those jobs...and believe it or not if we were to evict them all tomorrow...our economy would be devasted.
Originally posted by Honor93
The need to blame the "least of our brothers".
who is blaming anyone but criminals for their criminal acts?
besides, this American believes we are all created equal ... who is the least of whom?
Originally posted by maybereal11
Originally posted by Honor93
i'd be willing to test this Theory.
They come here and work, because Americans are unwilling to do those jobs...and believe it or not if we were to evict them all tomorrow...our economy would be devasted.
Awesome...See the video on this page...the "take our jobs campaign" even promoted by Stephen Colbert, ya know how many people lasted more than 1 day?...3, but I guess it will be 4? Go for it!
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