reply to post by kinglizard
I'm skeptical of anyone who seems to have all the answers, too. There's SO much we don't know. And to me, that is the most logical stance: I don't
Of course, aside from what we know, there is what we believe or have our faith in. I think people get those mixed up sometimes and state their beliefs
as facts (or something they "know"). And I definitely agree that is where the ego appears.
Originally posted by kinglizard
You need scientific evidence of our FAITH.
And that is where people are confused. Knowledge and faith are two different things. You CANNOT use science (knowledge) to prove faith. That's like an
oxymoron or something. Faith is belief WITHOUT proof. By its very definition, there cannot be facts or proof to back it up. If there were, it would
not be a belief, it would be knowledge.
People who BELIEVE in God are not required to PROVE it. And people who don't BELIEVE in God are not required to prove it, either. In fact, there is no
proof either way, so a discussion about proof of a belief
is pretty silly, when you think about it.
I have faith in many things in life. I have faith in my husband, my family, my friends... I have faith in love and beauty. Other people have faith in
other things. Who am I to tell them that they're wrong to have faith?
Originally posted by BlackOps719
What do you say for the man who has done his absolute best to maintain faith and to keep the hope of some sort of God alive, yet constantly and
consistently be rewarded in yet more misfortune?
I'm not a Christian, but I was once. And as I understand it, having faith is not some kind of "deal" with God - that if you have faith, then only good
things will come to you. It's not an agreement with God. In fact, just the opposite. REAL faith comes when, in the face of misfortune
continue to have unshakable faith and belief. I'm reminded of the story of Job. If a person turns against God because of misfortune, they never had
faith to begin with, IMHO.
That's the problem with crediting God with all things good in one's life... When something bad happens, who is responsible? Satan? God? Me? I hear so
many believers who give God the full credit when something good happens in their life, but when something bad happens, they look elsewhere to blame.
That's one reason I prefer being accountable myself for that which occurs in my life. Whether "good" or "bad".
...at some point one begins to feel as though he has lost a screw and is now appealing blindly to an invisible, possibly indifferent entity that just
may not exist.
I believe it's always good to examine our beliefs. I examine mine. But I would offer the unsolicited advice to not let examination of your beliefs get
mixed up in whether or not you have FAITH. Discard this advice if not applicable.
that strength comes from suffering. Whether you believe in God or not.
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