Originally posted by Dystopiaphiliac
reply to post by orangetom1999
It's hard for me to talk to someone that doesn't see the universe like I do. Maybe I'm broken. Who defines what broken is? I merely exist. That's
what I do. I didn't choose to be born. I didn't ask for life to arise on "planet Earth." I exist, and I observe what else exists around me.
Science is NOT a religion. Completely erase the word "science" from your vocabulary because it means nothing to me. What means something to me is
that existence is an obvious reality and there are humans on Earth that observe the occurrences around them and seek answers to why things happen. I
can't even come up with a response to your response. My mind is doing back flips trying to comprehend how you view existence? Do you think there's a
right and wrong? Do you think the entirety of Earth couldn't perish in a millisecond from some unknown force?
You are not saying/stating anything new or profound here in what I am quoting of yours above.
Contrast this with what you stated in your earlier post....
There is no evidence of spirituality. There is no NEED for spirituality. A spirit is not a prerequisite of life. That is an OBSERVABLE FACT.
You have quite a contrast between the two positions/posts. I will agree with you in that you may be broken. Your thinking process is incomplete. None
of us chose to be born, where, or when. This means none of us is sitting on the only one in town.
I will differ greatly with you in that for many Science is indeed a religion. All you have to do is read some of the posts here on ATS/BTS to see it
clearly. However my points stand...life does not stop without science. It may not be as convenient but it does not stop.
Suggest you try Rene Descartes' " 'I think therefore I am. "
However your grist mill of thinking seems to be incomplete as you are obviously unable to deal with an individual such as myself and the pattern of my
thinking. For some reason you seem to lack the resources to comprehend or reply to what I am stating...even out of history.
Give you an example of what I was thinking when typing out my earlier post
Science...observation...mathematics..etc...Economics. One of the simplest things is to balance a budget. Most of us do it every day..every week...work
to maintain our finances within a budget such that payments due do not go past or exceed those amounts received.
Yet we have leaders who cannot seem to balance a budget..and they have all the economics degrees...learning ...learned men...etc etc etc. For all
practical purposes they are speechless to account for it..and no matter how much they postulate or preach on it..nothing seems to change. I say this
particularly at a Federal level as well as a state level.
Now I don't have to be very smart or of rocket material to realize that the product here is not that which is advertised to get our vote. I can even
go so far as to declare that the whole process is a lie and a counterfeit of that advertised to get our vote. Then all I have to do is realize that
there is a phony, lying , deceitful religion at work here...called Politics. All they have to do is balance their budget and thus manage the public
Economics...learned men...men of letters..cannot seem to balance a budget...do you think science can do this or is there something else at work
here...something not desired to be seen or known by the ordinary peoples??
A hidden concealed religion at work. A religion not advertised or known by the bulk of the public ..particularly at election time when their vote is
needed for the various political parties!!??
Not difficult to think this through...is it!!??
Do you think the entirety of Earth couldn't perish in a millisecond from some unknown force?
I am a machinist by trade with a special qualification as a nuclear fueler. I do not concern myself with such things, fears, or insecurities. I have
put my life and safety on the line many many times for my monies. This does not make me better than other peoples..It does however make me quite
This is obvious by your responses to my posts.
Many of us are by nature and rote very provincial in our thinking...including myself. I do not believe you comprehend how provincial you are in your
One last tidbit to add.. every government is made of individual people. You talk about the government of Russia as if it itself is some
You are demonstrating your provincialism in thinking here with the above quote. I do indeed speak of the government and particularly the Soviet
Government as a living thing. A thing of destruction..and not conducive to prosperity and economic stability. A negative influence on peoples daily
lives. Most governments are indeed this way and history bears this out. They may start out well but as I posted earlier ..they always tend and trend
towards tyranny and feudalism...royalty for the government and not the peoples individual liberty. Governments always trend and tend towards taking
more and more production away from the people and thus the prosperity of a nation. History bears this out.
One fingerprint I have found concerning many on ATS/BTS who are heavily invested in the Religion of Science...and that is that History is not their
forte. Many of them avoid it at all costs. Science is much more of instant gratification religion/philosophy to them. History is not. And many of them
do like to glory in the Religion of Science.
Nonetheless..I stand by what I stated..Science has made us better consumers..not better peoples.